Belgian television crew investigate a miracle - Hawaii News
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#1 Jun 22, 2009
This is what superstition looks like in the 21st Century.
#2 Jun 22, 2009
Any Belgium "documentary" that does not clearly point out that praying at the almost empty grave of a dead priest on Molokai does not cure cancer is perpetuating a Fairy Tale.
If it were true, that is how we would cure diseases. Every time the Star Bulletin repeats this propaganda without comment, it legitimizes it.
#3 Jun 22, 2009
Right on and welcome to MY Hawaii, Belgian t.v. crew.
No listen to these above two posters, who I suspect are one and the same, if not in person, than in their shared their anti-Christ position, that speaks more to their empty, sad and sorry lot in life.
They desire to spread their bitterness and poison those who us who know, understand and respect the selfless service and sacrifice of this great man, Father Damien, to the natives of Hawaii, long ago outcast on that desolate peninsula where Kalawao and Kalaupapa sits.
The anti-Christ types are essentially dissatisfied with their failure to accomplish anything meaningful in life, caught up in a modern day trend of self-indulgence they ultimately find, or at some point will find, empty and unrewarding.
Haven't quite figured out yet that the highest form of purpose in life is service to others, outweighed only by service to those who have suffered the most as the native Hawaiians of Kalawao and Kalaupapa.
They deny themselves enlightenment when their self-indulgence and ego results in no higher calling, because their world revolves only around themselves, hence they deprive themselves of gift of enlightenment.
On a human level, they cannot dispute the service our Father Damien provided to our People at Kalawao and Kalaupapa. In fact, they resent it, and so they are no friend of the People of Hawaii, so who cares what they say or think.
On a spiritual level---why even waste your time even mentioning that to them, as they could never begin to understand the profound nature of such a concept, too caught up in their expression of frustration in being unable to convince us to devalue both the mystery and miracles of life that happens ever day.
#4 Jun 22, 2009
How many lepers did Father Damien actually cure?
We all know the answer, don't we?
#5 Jun 22, 2009
"Silly Saints for 200"
That is funny!
#6 Jun 22, 2009
There is nothing wrong with honoring Damien's service.
What is abhorrent is to pretend that praying to him can cure anything. And to use a fake "miracle" as a basis for sainthood is fraudulent. Some people will actually believe this type of thing and withhold medical treatment of their children. That is the price of pretending that this is a miracle. The deception has a price.
I know it is difficult. You want to believe that it is true. You have been told that this is a matter of "faith". We don't hate you for it.
It is a deception. It should not continue any longer.
#7 Jun 22, 2009
The advent of treatment and cure of leprosy known now as Hansen's disease cannot be ignored except by the ignorant. You think Father Damien's service to our People at Kalawao and his works continued later at Kalaupapa did not contribute to that? How stupid can you be? Why am I even wasting my time explaining this to you?
One day, when, in your moment of darkness, at it will come, in that flash of a moment when you reflect on your role disrespecting this man and his service to the native Hawaiians at Kalawao and Kalaupapa...
You can discount the miracle, don't expect the rest of us to be as foolish.
All things remain in God.
#8 Jun 22, 2009
Some day, you will realize that you have been deceived. All the donations. All the hand wringing. All the guilt. All the fear. All the praying to yourself and each other. Deception.
Praying to a dead priest does not do any good. Only the ignorant believe such things.
#9 Jun 22, 2009
"The advent of treatment and cure of leprosy known now as Hansen's disease cannot be ignored except by the ignorant. You think Father Damien's service to our People at Kalawao and his works continued later at Kalaupapa did not contribute to that?"
Father Damien did not contribute to the "cure" of Hansen's Disease. He ignored the knowledge of communicable disease which was available then. His unhygienic behavior is well documented. He shared his pipe, eating utensils, etc. with those who were infected.
Then he became infected and eventually died. Was that a miracle too?
#10 Jun 22, 2009
""I believe in miracles and I believe that God can do whatever he wants," said Maher. "
...except stop wars, end global hunger, etc, etc.
#11 Jun 22, 2009
Miracles happen, it's just that the events can't be rationally explained. As a result, many times there is confusion.
Nobody prays to a dead priest...and those that do are limited in their understanding of the Church....similar to those people that crucify themselves during the Easter holidays.
There is a reason behind most actions, take the rest on faith or do one of two things....keep it to yourself, or go scream about it elsewhere.
Have a nice day.
#12 Jun 22, 2009
he was no saint..just a half-educated man who tried to do some good.
#13 Jun 22, 2009
Sorry to disillusion you, but consider this your first intervention.
You have taken a small step on the road to recovery.
This is the first day of the rest of your life. Don't waste it believing Jewish Fairy Tales.
#14 Jun 22, 2009
Sainthood is a Roman Catholic Church practice. Catholics have recognized people from the past based on how they live their lives. They have lived closely according to the teachings of Christ, their founder. Whether you believe it or not the church will continue to recognized them till the end of time. St. Francis, St. Jerome, St Augustine, St Benedict, St Theresa, St. Anthony, St. Theresa of Avila, and thousands more on the list coming. To those who does not believe I would recommend that you read their lives maybe it could change your life and beliefs.
#15 Jun 22, 2009
Some people need symbols and "miracles" to validate their faith. If it makes them a better person, is it that wrong? I don't subscribe to "miracles" but that's just me. Whatever winds your clock and makes you a better person can't be all that bad (as long as it doesn't infringe upon another's faith, that is).
#16 Jun 22, 2009
Thanks Mario. You forgot these:
1. ST ADELAIDE: The Patron Saint of Empresses, Princesses, Second Marriages and Step-parents.(female)
2. ST BRICE: The Patron Saint of Stomach Aches.(male)
3. ST SCHOLASTICA: The Patron Saint of Children suffering from Epilepsy, Cerebral Palsy, or other Convulsive Ailments.(female)
4. ST THERESE OF LISEUX: The Patron Saint of Air Travelers. She was called “The Little Flower” by her Carmelite sisters.(female)
5. ST BONIFACE OF MAINZ: The Patron Saint of Beer Brewers and Brewing. He is also Patron Saint to Tailors and Clothes Makers.
6. ST ZITA: The Patron Saint of domestic service workers, maids, housekeepers and caretakers.(female)
7. ST GENESIUS: The Patron Saint of Actors.(male)
8. ST TERESA OF LOS ANDES: The Patron Saint of Headaches and Migraines. She was a Carmelite sister from Chile.(female)
9. ST BARBARA: The Patron Saint of Gunners.(female)
10. ST WINIFRED: The Patron Saint of Virgins.(female)
#17 Jun 22, 2009
Some believe the first day, was that day upon conception. The rest is after-effect
(lights cigarette..scene of waves rolling upon shore...train going through tunnel).
Fairy tales? You don't wanna see or know about some of my feature length - high definition "fairy tales".
I guess you might say that the "point" was lost on some. But no more...because here comes Reality.
#18 Jun 22, 2009
true..Damien had many faults and was stubborn. He was an uneduvcated man of limited abilities and virtue. he was far from a saint. But he was ok..not more.
#19 Jun 22, 2009
St Margaret of Antioch was a popular saint in the middle ages. Legend states that she was the daughter of a pagan priest, but decided to convert to Christianity. This angered her father as well as a suitor whose advances she rejected. They had her reported to the authorities as a Christian, and she was jailed. In jail she met the devil in the form of a dragon, who proceeded to swallow her whole. The cross she carried however, irritated the dragon’s belly and she was able to tear her way out using the cross and emerge whole from the dragon. Several attempts were then made to execute her by drowning and fire, all of which failed, leading many who witnessed her tortures to be converted. She was finally beheaded. She is often depicted emerging from the dragon’s belly, cross in hand. Appropriately, she is the patroness of childbirth.
Do you believe that one too?
#20 Jun 22, 2009
How many of you believe this miracle?
St Denis had an exceptional youth, testifying and converting pagans to Christianity. He eventually became bishop of Paris. His many conversions however, ultimately enraged the pagan priests, who decided to execute him by beheading. Legend states that after his head was chopped off, he picked it up and walked several miles with it tucked under his arm, preaching all the way. He is represented as a headless body holding its decapitated head in its hands.
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