Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editor...

Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials

There are 70 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 5, 2009, titled Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Nancy Gordon reflects the sentiment of several recent nincompoops writing about the teachers taking furloughs to offset budget shortfalls .

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wendell

United States

#43 Nov 6, 2009
Poi wrote:
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These numbers seem hard to find but with the massive subsidies, the cost of each rider on BART in the Bay Area is something near 20 dollars last time I heard a figure.

It's nuts.

If you think its such a great deal, THEN DO IT WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES! NONE. Survive no your own.

But you know you can't do it. Why? Because people really DON'T LIKE RAIL if it's real cost is reflected in the fare price.
BART fare example: Millbrae to Embarcadero (15 miles) is $8.50 RT.

BART is about 50% subsidized by direct taxes, i.e. sales and property taxes.

For FY 2008, it took in $309 million in fares, and incurred $653 million in operating expenses. It needed $268 million in direct taxes to make ends meet.

See attached financial statements for FY 2008:

http://www.bart.gov/docs/FY2008_financials.pd...

Look at page 11.

Hawaii won't be any better. In fact. it may well be worse. BART serviecs an area of 6 miilion people. Oahu?
Samson

Kahului, HI

#44 Nov 6, 2009
alice wrote:
rail is a shibai as mufi has now confessed
Im sorry, I must have missed that quote on the 6:00 news!

Last I heard, rail is a shovel-ready stimulus project and the biggest job creating engine our state has. Rail construction will put 4,000 people back to work next year and over the life of construction, it will employ about 10,000 people a year.
Samson

Kahului, HI

#45 Nov 6, 2009
wendell wrote:
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Build a new parallel freeway. I'll bet it'll cost much less than $5 billion.
H-3 was $1 billion. A parallel one to H-1, is not as challenging, enginnering-wise as H-3, and even after giving effect to inflation, may cost, say at most,$2 billion.
Cause that would have less visual impact then a sleek rail system... Great idea if you want to live on an island that has 12 concrete lanes running across the heart of the island.
Poi

Pleasanton, CA

#46 Nov 6, 2009
wendell wrote:
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BART fare example: Millbrae to Embarcadero (15 miles) is $8.50 RT.
BART is about 50% subsidized by direct taxes, i.e. sales and property taxes.
For FY 2008, it took in $309 million in fares, and incurred $653 million in operating expenses. It needed $268 million in direct taxes to make ends meet.
See attached financial statements for FY 2008:
http://www.bart.gov/docs/FY2008_financials.pd...
Look at page 11.
Hawaii won't be any better. In fact. it may well be worse. BART serviecs an area of 6 miilion people. Oahu?
The actual dollar cost per rider would be easy to calculate.

But you can't find it easily.

Guess why?
alice

United States

#47 Nov 6, 2009
rail is not now necessary as thousands leave west Oahu for California
satch7

Aiea, HI

#48 Nov 6, 2009
kira_girl wrote:
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Read in between YOUR lines - all the "things" you mentioned are ROADS! Do you know that Hawaii has the least amount of highways per capita? So intead of the cho cho train, more roads should be built! Building more roads and fixing our traffic system would reduce traffic IMMEDIATELY instead of 10 years from now. Now who is the stupid one?
You missed the point completely as roads or freeways are obsolete with the tremendous congestion of inundation of cars on the road so now we have to move to the next level and that's where rail takes place to alleviate the no. of cars on the road which will lighten traffic going to and from west oahu. No wonder we need to eliminate furlough days as its idiots like yourself that's lacking in education and who is devoid of any critical thinking skills or just plain reading comprehension skills. Now who is the stupid one!!!
Puna boy

AOL

#50 Nov 6, 2009
Why are the biggest opponents to fixed rail are not local but carpet baggers from elsewhere. To name a few: Rick Hamada form Chicago, Panos from Greece. Slater from Australia, Steve Bolen from who knows where. Seems like KHVH 830 am is an anti-rail propoganda machine. I don't count Mike Buck as he seems to be naive as to what the big picture is.
Yankees Fan

Kahului, HI

#51 Nov 6, 2009
alice wrote:
rail is not now necessary as thousands leave west Oahu for California
This is just ridiculous.
Yankees Fan

Kahului, HI

#52 Nov 6, 2009
Puna boy wrote:
Why are the biggest opponents to fixed rail are not local but carpet baggers from elsewhere. To name a few: Rick Hamada form Chicago, Panos from Greece. Slater from Australia, Steve Bolen from who knows where. Seems like KHVH 830 am is an anti-rail propoganda machine. I don't count Mike Buck as he seems to be naive as to what the big picture is.
I agree! The PEOPLE voted for Rail!! We shouldnt let the selfish agendas of a few ruin it for the many!
wendell

United States

#53 Nov 6, 2009
Samson wrote:
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Cause that would have less visual impact then a sleek rail system... Great idea if you want to live on an island that has 12 concrete lanes running across the heart of the island.
Less visual impact? I thought the rail was elevated, thus blocking the "visuals". Are elevated rail stations, like the L in Chicago visually pleasing? How about the parking lots and structures at those stations?

Freeways are mostly at ground level.
Nakoa

Kailua, HI

#54 Nov 6, 2009
Conboy, the governor is a republican. She did nothing for the pass 4 years. This economic mess is a result of the Bush years. I think we should elect a Democratic governor. Hawaii will do it next year.
huh

Honolulu, HI

#55 Nov 6, 2009
Realist wrote:
In response to Mark Hanson, I do not blame teachers, I blame your union for making the terms of the agreement have the most negative impact on the students. The goal of the union appears to be to make the result so negative on the children that the Legislature will ride in on their white horse and create money where it does not exist. It is not going to happen and the teachers should take out their frustration on their union leadership at their first opportunity.
HSTA *tried* to do the right thing by setting furlough days that other unions could match, and shut the schools down to save money (water, electricity, wages, etc...). the number of days agreed upon was predicated upon this cost savings, not the ability to maximize damage to the students. they started with good intentions, but....

HSTA cannot help it if HGEA and UPW didn't follow suit - the four unions were supposed to negotiate together (UHPA pretty much gave the Gov. the middle finger, and went their own way) to maximize cost savings with minimal layoffs, furloughs, or interruptions in services.

HSTA thought it was working together with the Gov. to help get the process started, unfortunately, HGEA and UPW decided to go their own way (UPW has the added bonus of binding arbitration, which is what they are waiting for).

now, because the unions do not wish to play well together and would rather fight the Gov. than work together to uphold their promise to furlough together and save the state money, we are in this mess, and the budget deficit keeps growing.

the union leaders need to get with the program. wishful thinking, rhetoric, and stalling are not going to save the economy, OR the children.
Joe The Vice President

Lihue, HI

#56 Nov 6, 2009
"Attention! Attention!

Another democrat "Blue State" solution to falling tax revenue.

California announces that it will stea.....er, withhold another 10% of income from California workers.

This is in no way stealing.....because these are...um....elected officals, and...um...the will of the people.....and such.

The good news is that what happens in California eventually happens in Hawaii.

Hopey, Changey, lalala, xoxo Big Joe.
kira_girl

Honolulu, HI

#57 Nov 6, 2009
satch7 wrote:
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You missed the point completely as roads or freeways are obsolete with the tremendous congestion of inundation of cars on the road so now we have to move to the next level and that's where rail takes place to alleviate the no. of cars on the road which will lighten traffic going to and from west oahu. No wonder we need to eliminate furlough days as its idiots like yourself that's lacking in education and who is devoid of any critical thinking skills or just plain reading comprehension skills. Now who is the stupid one!!!
The answer to your question is quite simple. It is Y-O-U that is the stupid one!
alice

United States

#58 Nov 6, 2009
alice wrote:
rail is not now necessary as thousands leave west Oahu for California
true..honolulu is shrinking
Pete

AOL

#59 Nov 6, 2009
Poi wrote:
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Please name a city, anywhere in the world,which;
1) Had a traffic problem
2) Built rail
3) No longer had a traffic problem (especially at commute times)
Fact is there is none.
Rail never improves traffic.
It actually worsens it by doing what it is really intended to do,... that is to allow more development, more housing, more people, more cars.
That enriches the developers and the Unions.
But it NEVER solves traffic problems.
It makes traffic worse.
Agree,

Cities around the world where rail works, are cities that were built around the rail, not the other way around.
Pete

AOL

#60 Nov 6, 2009
Realist wrote:
In response to Mark Hanson, I do not blame teachers, I blame your union for making the terms of the agreement have the most negative impact on the students. The goal of the union appears to be to make the result so negative on the children that the Legislature will ride in on their white horse and create money where it does not exist. It is not going to happen and the teachers should take out their frustration on their union leadership at their first opportunity.
Exactly, there will always be a need for teachers, thus they do not needd the unions, instead they can take that money they are throwing to the wind and keep it. Are any unions execs, taking furloughs or pay cuts?
alice

United States

#61 Nov 6, 2009
the population is too small to pay for this monstrosity...look up the facts
Glen

AOL

#62 Nov 6, 2009
satch7 wrote:
People are really STUPID. For those living out in west Oahu or the Leeward-Kapolei-Waianae-Waipah u area, this rail will be a blessing just as much as the H-1, H-2, & H-3 has helped to relieved much congestion. Try imagine Oahu w/o the Pali & Wilson tunnels or all H HIGHWAYS....IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MONUMENTAL MESS or when the arterial highway aka H-1 was first built in the mid-fifties and people were displaced but it has facilitated traffic even though there are more congestion now what would it be w/o these new transportation pathways. Yes, it costs monies, and yes, like anything else, there will be delays, overruns, etc...etc....grumblings etc....but in the long run when its completed, it will definitely be a blessing in disguise. I'm paying my taxes just like everybody else probably more than everybody else but I see a need for this venue unlike YOU SHORTSIGHTED IDIOTS. If you don't like it, move to west Oahu and enjoy your commute to Honolulu everyday.
I don't think people are stupid because they disagree with you. I think the people are broke, we have been bled dry. We know the rail will not and cannot sustain itself, thus the people will be left to pick up the slack. Look at the amount of people it will displace, the outgo is going to surpass the incoming beyond amounts we can only imagine.
They already mentioned people from off island will do a lot of the work and the operation. This isn't a help either.
The people know there is more to come for expenses. The timing is just not right, right now.
alice

United States

#63 Nov 6, 2009
alice wrote:
the population is too small to pay for this monstrosity...look up the facts
very true...and mufi never considered this

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