Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editor...

Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials

There are 70 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 5, 2009, titled Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Nancy Gordon reflects the sentiment of several recent nincompoops writing about the teachers taking furloughs to offset budget shortfalls .

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Fair Play

Honolulu, HI

#23 Nov 6, 2009
buildrailHOW wrote:
Eh, everybody, you notice Mayor Bananamann's usual legion of boot lickers are on furlough too?
Okay, get one brown noser but, that's it!
That means when the Big Rat is away, all his little mice go out and away.
Sing along now:(It's Aloha Friday. Mufi's stooge taught us this way of communicating.)
"It's a furlough friday
no need kiss mufi's okole
It's another Yoshioka pig out day
another Bill Brennan getting drunk---hey
It's a furlough friday
no more class at school
and no more class down Honolulu Hale
no need make karaoke
Da Samongi Sinatra
he go far away
He eat da sushi
you make da she she
in and along da Ala Wai
where get plenny more kukae
Diggin up da street again
union hacks making like dey work, den
your taxes going way up AGAIN
but wait till next election
dat train, we no can
with the EIS,
no worry
we'll tink of something
this land was made for you and me...
we'll think of something
Racial and comments like these are not needed in this forum. You have been flagged by this section for inappropriate language.
willie

Plymouth, MI

#24 Nov 6, 2009
Just for you BuildRailNow:

"Investigators looking into the deadly crash of two Metro transit trains focused Tuesday on why a computerized system failed to halt an oncoming train, and why the train failed to stop even though the emergency brake was pressed.

At the time of the crash, the train also was operating in automatic mode, meaning it was controlled primarily by computer. In that mode, the operator's main job is to open and close the doors and respond in case of an emergency."

High tech my foot.
Poi

Pleasanton, CA

#25 Nov 6, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
So you're absolutely right. Rail never solves traffic problems....
Please people.

Read that from the "buildrailnow" proponent.

Your financial self interest in rail might keep you from coming up with additional solutions but there are 1000s.

Oahu's water, sewer, trash demands cannot support much more than the million it already does without huge environmental costs. At some point, the solution is to have a population that replaces itself but does not grow. The cost of living will handle that by itself. No need for chinese government type regulations.
Hawaiian Republican

United States

#26 Nov 6, 2009
hiloboy wrote:
E. J.Conboy should get off his partisan soapbox. Nobody I know is blaming the governor for the economic mess. For that, you need to go all the way back to Reagan whose supply side economics opened the door for corporate greed to fester and grow.
What kind of history and economics are they teaching in schools these days that children have such twisted views as this? It's a shame, really.
BuildRailNow

Carrières-sur-seine, France

#27 Nov 6, 2009
willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, here is a nice news story about one, there are tons more shall I dredge them up too?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/22/washington.s...
I never said build more roads turnip...just make better use of the CURRENT ones.
Here is a novel idea for you, have the people who will benefit from rail pay for rail, like the builders of those new subdivisions, the riders etc...also, charge what it actually will cost to run and maintain it...even if it turns out to be $20 one way...you like THAT idea?
We have a concept in America (consider Hawaii a part of it) called "community." Childless couples pay for the education of the community's children. People who never fly help pay for airports. I could go on; but surely you get the picture.

Rail will benefit the entire community.. For starters -- and the most obvious point -- with congestion's reduction from what it would grow to without rail, anyone using the roads and highways will benefit. It's indisputable, but feel free to cite sources, studies, whatever to back up your argument that rail won't have beneficial results.

So in the same vein that people living in West Oahu helped pay for Hawaii Kai residents' improved commute on a widened and otherwise improved Kalanianaole Highway, Hawaii Kai people are contributing to a commuter line that will connect West Oahuans with their jobs in town.

It's a community.
Poi

Pleasanton, CA

#28 Nov 6, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
<quoted text>Just go inquire of the millions who commute by rail transit around the world whether it works or not. There's no question about it.
These numbers seem hard to find but with the massive subsidies, the cost of each rider on BART in the Bay Area is something near 20 dollars last time I heard a figure.

It's nuts.

If you think its such a great deal, THEN DO IT WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES! NONE. Survive no your own.

But you know you can't do it. Why? Because people really DON'T LIKE RAIL if it's real cost is reflected in the fare price.
BuildRailNow

Carrières-sur-seine, France

#29 Nov 6, 2009
Poi wrote:
<quoted text>
Please people.
Read that from the "buildrailnow" proponent.
Your financial self interest in rail might keep you from coming up with additional solutions but there are 1000s.
Oahu's water, sewer, trash demands cannot support much more than the million it already does without huge environmental costs. At some point, the solution is to have a population that replaces itself but does not grow. The cost of living will handle that by itself. No need for chinese government type regulations.
Please, Poi. Don't be selective in your quotes. Read the whole quote, people.
BuildRailNow

Carrières-sur-seine, France

#30 Nov 6, 2009
Poi wrote:
<quoted text>
These numbers seem hard to find but with the massive subsidies, the cost of each rider on BART in the Bay Area is something near 20 dollars last time I heard a figure.
It's nuts.
If you think its such a great deal, THEN DO IT WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES! NONE. Survive no your own.
But you know you can't do it. Why? Because people really DON'T LIKE RAIL if it's real cost is reflected in the fare price.
Poi, you seem like you love a good drive in the family chariot. Do you have any idea about how much the private automobile-centric society is subsidized? Start with the cost of the United States Navy to maintain dominance over the seas and ensure uninterrupted access to oil.

So in the real world, subsidies exist for the benefit of the people -- all the people, car drivers and train riders.
willie

Plymouth, MI

#31 Nov 6, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
<quoted text>
People who never fly help pay for airports. I could go on; but surely you get the picture.
Rail will benefit the entire community..
Ummm airports get built (with FEDERAL dollars) then charge landing fees, taxes on use and terminal rental...they are one heck of a lot more self sustaining than your proposed rail system will be.

Rail will benefit those who will make a fortune from building it and all the new construction of homes it may allow...so WE pony up 5 or 6 billion (and 100 million or so a year in subsidies) so a tiny percentage can make a fortune...and a tiny percentage can ride it....good plan. I have a bunch of $1 bills I will sell you for 5 or 10 bucks each, how many you want?

Since rail is about growth, exactly how much more can the island sustain? We are already at the point we will have to pay to ship our trash to the mainland. When do we get to the point we don't have enough water..or have to build an even bigger sewer plant to handle the growth? Growth is NOT always good..on and island it is in fact BAD.

Like I said, if it is so good for the builders and riders, let THEM pay for it.

Perhaps if they want their 12,000 home subdivision it will be built without roads..or the residents deed restricted and can not own cars..think THAT will work if not then they WILL be on the roads and they will NOT be on your precious rail.
Poi

Pleasanton, CA

#32 Nov 6, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
<quoted text>
For starters -- and the most obvious point -- with congestion's reduction from what it would grow to without rail, anyone using the roads and highways will benefit. It's indisputable, but feel free to cite sources, studies, whatever to back up your argument that rail won't have beneficial results.
It is entirely disputable.

Congestion is good to some extent.

It is what limits more development which leads to more congestion. Without rail, congestion will not continue to get worse. It can't get much worse than what it is now. New development will not be approved.
5430

Trimming some of the commute time issues with buses and committed bus lanes and good parking facilities etc can and will do that for a fraction of the cost.
Poi

Pleasanton, CA

#33 Nov 6, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
<quoted text>
Poi, you seem like you love a good drive in the family chariot. Do you have any idea about how much the private automobile-centric society is subsidized? Start with the cost of the United States Navy to maintain dominance over the seas and ensure uninterrupted access to oil.
So in the real world, subsidies exist for the benefit of the people -- all the people, car drivers and train riders.
There are direct subsidies which no one can deny.

Then there are "indirect" subsidies which creative people like you can imagine in any infinite number of ways.

Cut the direct subsidies and I will support rail. But you know riders will never support rail if they had to pay the "real" cost in their fares.
kira_girl

Honolulu, HI

#34 Nov 6, 2009
satch7 wrote:
People are really STUPID. For those living out in west Oahu or the Leeward-Kapolei-Waianae-Waipah u area, this rail will be a blessing just as much as the H-1, H-2, & H-3 has helped to relieved much congestion. Try imagine Oahu w/o the Pali & Wilson tunnels or all H HIGHWAYS....IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MONUMENTAL MESS or when the arterial highway aka H-1 was first built in the mid-fifties and people were displaced but it has facilitated traffic even though there are more congestion now what would it be w/o these new transportation pathways. Yes, it costs monies, and yes, like anything else, there will be delays, overruns, etc...etc....grumblings etc....but in the long run when its completed, it will definitely be a blessing in disguise. I'm paying my taxes just like everybody else probably more than everybody else but I see a need for this venue unlike YOU SHORTSIGHTED IDIOTS. If you don't like it, move to west Oahu and enjoy your commute to Honolulu everyday.
Read in between YOUR lines - all the "things" you mentioned are ROADS! Do you know that Hawaii has the least amount of highways per capita? So intead of the cho cho train, more roads should be built! Building more roads and fixing our traffic system would reduce traffic IMMEDIATELY instead of 10 years from now. Now who is the stupid one?
Spock

AOL

#35 Nov 6, 2009
Trekkie wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't disrespect people's views as I am sure you wouldn't want anyone disrepecting yours. It is clear Mr. Hirotomi took the time to write this letter.
Thank you Spock Carslile for your views.
No respect? Hey, I'm the one who gets no respect! I told Captain Kirk not to trust those Romulans. I said "there's no way they are building those nuclear plants just for peaceful power generating purposes." But noooo - nobody wants to listen to the pointy ear guy. Then there was the time I was looking for the Captain's Log. Scotty told me to look in the bridge toilet. Dang it, I'm a Star Fleet Officer! I deserve some respect around here! And no, I didn't write any books about child rearing.
Chee Pono

Kahului, HI

#36 Nov 6, 2009
For all you Anti Railers,

Give it up already. The people have spoken! The people voted for rail last year and support has grown since then. In September 2009, an island wide poll showed 60% of residents want rail. An even bigger percentage – 74 %-- agree that rail is a good investment for the future of Honolulu. Rail has support from the business community, labor, community groups and Neighborhood Boards. What do you have? The same old arguments that got you no where. You had your chance to comment on the DEIS, the station workshops, ect, ect. Sorry but you missed this train. Find some other way to other project to ruin!
Sulu

Mililani, HI

#37 Nov 6, 2009
Set phasers to annihilate. Aye aye sir.
wendell

United States

#38 Nov 6, 2009
The Rail Truth wrote:
I salute the Mayor for standing alone for a project that my fellow neighbors on the west side are screaming for because it is needed.
Please throw solutions not stones.
Build a new parallel freeway. I'll bet it'll cost much less than $5 billion.

H-3 was $1 billion. A parallel one to H-1, is not as challenging, enginnering-wise as H-3, and even after giving effect to inflation, may cost, say at most,$2 billion.
Samson

Kahului, HI

#39 Nov 6, 2009
Hirotomis Omiyagi,

If you feel so strongly against my letter, why dont you

1) Go to one of the many station workshops, informational briefing, or at the very least, call the project hotline.

2) Get some real facts. Not incorrect facts pulled from Sean hao's, cliff slater's, or wanna be mayor, Panos' biased articles.

3) Get the guts to write your own letter.
Delilah

Mililani, HI

#40 Nov 6, 2009
Off with their heads.
alice

United States

#41 Nov 6, 2009
rail is a shibai as mufi has now confessed
Joe The Vice President

Lihue, HI

#42 Nov 6, 2009
We must continue one party rule in Hawaii, it works for North Korea.


I would also like to join Nancy Pelosi and congratulate the Democrat Party on its big victory Tuesday.

Imua!

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