Plethora of potholes popping up - News

Plethora of potholes popping up - News

There are 71 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Dec 17, 2008, titled Plethora of potholes popping up - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

After recent heavy rains, potholes have begun to appear across the entire network of Oahu roadways, causing major damage to vehicle tires and rims.

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USUEA

Ewa Beach, HI

#1 Dec 17, 2008
Why is our state road "WEAK" when we know we get tropical rain here and there.. We should be "STRONG" in this type of POT HOLE incident.
& it also makes me wonder
Why is our road line (lane line) not visible when it rains? I mean you visit other state/country "YOU SEE" the line..

DOT has a lot to repair, but repair won't solve, we need a solution. Surely every year/time it rains harder then usual "Pot Hole" says "HI! I'm back again" and we're doing the rat chase game over and over wasting the $$$ of our hard working island resident.
enufalready

Honolulu, HI

#2 Dec 17, 2008
Having lived in Japan, Canada (Ontario, British Columbia, Prince Edward Island), New York, Oregon, and California, I have never experienced such poor roads. Other areas experience rainfall equally severe to Honolulu's; plus they see temperature variations from 20 degrees below zero in winter to 90 degree summer heat. Yes, that's a 110 degree temperature difference. Those roads are exposed to ice and rock salt, sand and snowplows but somehow stand up to the beating without the peeling, pot holes, and severe deterioration that the rain each winter causes here. In the 15 years I've lived here, the same idiotic thing happens. Just read the following quote carefully and think about how ridiculous the statement is: "Water on the road is like the devil," Mori said, quoting DOT Director Brennan Morioka. "It's so conducive for potholes. The water goes into the cement or asphalt and in hot weather, it starts to expand. That's why we have potholes popping up all over the place." Ask yourself how the water "goes into the cement or asphalt." A properly constructed roadway readily sheds water to its gutters and into drains of one sort or another and from there often to sumps which recharge the water table. To see the crews out filling and refilling holes with shovels of asphalt, tamping it down a bit and moving on is a pitiful sight. The road conditions are a visible and ever present reminder of the incompetence and venality of the DOT. Honolulu once had a train (heavy rain) and a trolley (light rail) system, both of which were ripped out and the rights-of-way lost. How sad that such a basic thing as decent roadways seems beyond the capacity of such a rich city. But it is the poverty of the responsible departments' workers and administrators skills, energy and honor that allows this to continue ... to say nothing about the failure of citizens for tolerating the idiocy that allows it to continue.
hawaii taxpayer

Honolulu, HI

#3 Dec 17, 2008
hey tammy....stop the excuses and fix the problem... or open up a repair shop where we can get our tires and rims fixed without having to front the money and beg for reimbursements.
willie

Plymouth, MI

#4 Dec 17, 2008
If you think it is bad now wait till all the money gets siphoned off to run/maintain/subsidize the new choo choo.....if in fact they even try to maintain it. It could very well end up like the roads, in disrepair.
Vietnam veteran

Ewa Beach, HI

#5 Dec 17, 2008
"Pot Hole" is a misnomer.

In my time, we called it TANK TRAPS!
TakeADrive

Troy, MI

#6 Dec 17, 2008
enufalready wrote:
Having lived in Japan, Canada (Ontario, British Columbia, Prince Edward Island), New York, Oregon, and California, I have never experienced such poor roads. Other areas experience rainfall equally severe to Honolulu's; plus they see temperature variations from 20 degrees below zero in winter to 90 degree summer heat. Yes, that's a 110 degree temperature difference. Those roads are exposed to ice and rock salt, sand and snowplows but somehow stand up to the beating without the peeling, pot holes, and severe deterioration that the rain each winter causes here. In the 15 years I've lived here, the same idiotic thing happens. Just read the following quote carefully and think about how ridiculous the statement is: "Water on the road is like the devil," Mori said, quoting DOT Director Brennan Morioka. "It's so conducive for potholes. The water goes into the cement or asphalt and in hot weather, it starts to expand. That's why we have potholes popping up all over the place." Ask yourself how the water "goes into the cement or asphalt." A properly constructed roadway readily sheds water to its gutters and into drains of one sort or another and from there often to sumps which recharge the water table. To see the crews out filling and refilling holes with shovels of asphalt, tamping it down a bit and moving on is a pitiful sight. The road conditions are a visible and ever present reminder of the incompetence and venality of the DOT. Honolulu once had a train (heavy rain) and a trolley (light rail) system, both of which were ripped out and the rights-of-way lost. How sad that such a basic thing as decent roadways seems beyond the capacity of such a rich city. But it is the poverty of the responsible departments' workers and administrators skills, energy and honor that allows this to continue ... to say nothing about the failure of citizens for tolerating the idiocy that allows it to continue.
You haven't driven in Mich. The Dems and Jenny from the block have left some mighty poor roads.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#7 Dec 17, 2008
Ignore the potholes. In only 18 years we will be able to ride a Train to Nowhere.
manini

Kapaau, HI

#8 Dec 17, 2008
Pothole repair in Honolulu is job security for those who repair them. I bet some of the people in those crews can predict within 24 hours how long a patch job will last.
Mad Max

San Diego, CA

#9 Dec 17, 2008
enufalready wrote:
Having lived in Japan, Canada (Ontario, British Columbia, Prince Edward Island), New York, Oregon, and California, I have never experienced such poor roads. Other areas experience rainfall equally severe to Honolulu's; plus they see temperature variations from 20 degrees below zero in winter to 90 degree summer heat. Yes, that's a 110 degree temperature difference. Those roads are exposed to ice and rock salt, sand and snowplows but somehow stand up to the beating without the peeling, pot holes, and severe deterioration that the rain each winter causes here. In the 15 years I've lived here, the same idiotic thing happens. Just read the following quote carefully and think about how ridiculous the statement is: "Water on the road is like the devil," Mori said, quoting DOT Director Brennan Morioka. "It's so conducive for potholes. The water goes into the cement or asphalt and in hot weather, it starts to expand. That's why we have potholes popping up all over the place." Ask yourself how the water "goes into the cement or asphalt." A properly constructed roadway readily sheds water to its gutters and into drains of one sort or another and from there often to sumps which recharge the water table. To see the crews out filling and refilling holes with shovels of asphalt, tamping it down a bit and moving on is a pitiful sight. The road conditions are a visible and ever present reminder of the incompetence and venality of the DOT. Honolulu once had a train (heavy rain) and a trolley (light rail) system, both of which were ripped out and the rights-of-way lost. How sad that such a basic thing as decent roadways seems beyond the capacity of such a rich city. But it is the poverty of the responsible departments' workers and administrators skills, energy and honor that allows this to continue ... to say nothing about the failure of citizens for tolerating the idiocy that allows it to continue.
You are right on! Simple answer; nobody cares, it's the way it's always been, the government will take care of me, complete apathy about everything, and it's a welfare 3rd world society. My question to you is, how have you lasted there for 15 years seeing how truly dysfunctional and criminally expensive the atoll is? Anyway, do potholes really matter when your driving 3 miles an hour and it can take you 2 hours to go 5 miles. No worries, no work till Monday, if no call sick cuz hung ova again. Question; how many lazy Hawaiians or Micros does it take to fix a pothole the right way?
Walker

Ashburn, VA

#12 Dec 17, 2008
I live in Virginia, where we get just as much rain as Oahu, but in edition have temperatures that can range from over 100 degrees in the summer to -15 in the winter. Add to this snow, sleet, freezing rain, and chemicals all over the road to treat them. Yet our roads are nowhere near as bad as the ones I find on Oahu. Your government is lying to you by basically saying "Not our fault the roads are bad, we get a lot of rain brah". Rain does not cause potholes. The temporary patches are a joke and are basically gravel thrown in the hole, which quickly gets washed away. Demand they fix these roads permanently.
ovphoto

Aiea, HI

#13 Dec 17, 2008
I could retire fixng pot holes,in just honolulu alone,the city should sub it out,most of their road crews have'nt a clue about fixing them right
miss molly

AOL

#14 Dec 17, 2008
And we wander why visitors aren't coming anymore.

Hawaii is in a state of decay an we are in denial.
concerned voter

Honolulu, HI

#15 Dec 17, 2008
Mufi can't fix potholes and now he wants to build a train. Let's take care of the roads and the wastewater. Everytime it rains, the water gets sewerage. Just like a third world country.
sonofhawaii

Kapaa, HI

#17 Dec 17, 2008
Since when does potholes pop up as the title says???
dakine

Paia, HI

#18 Dec 17, 2008
Not in Las Vegas. Just came from there and they got those "raised bumps" -- and even those are faded so bad that you can't tell if you're turning onto the correct lane.
USUEA wrote:
& it also makes me wonder
Why is our road line (lane line) not visible when it rains? I mean you visit other state/country "YOU SEE" the line..
City Lies

Washington, DC

#19 Dec 17, 2008
"The patches on the potholes are temporary," he explained.

What he didn't say is that the city buys the cheapest patch material available. This is done to 1) keep the patch crews working, and 2) because that's all the company (Ameron) that sells the material will allow the city to buy, knowing the city will have to keep coming back for more. We get what we elect. We keep putting these bozos in office that allow this shibai to continue year after year. No one to blame but ourselves.
leeward lolo

Elgin, IL

#20 Dec 17, 2008
Cat Manapua wrote:
Ignore the potholes. In only 18 years we will be able to ride a Train to Nowhere.
You really think that they will decide on a route in that short a time???
Stop dreaming.
leeward lolo

Elgin, IL

#21 Dec 17, 2008
concerned voter wrote:
Mufi can't fix potholes and now he wants to build a train. Let's take care of the roads and the wastewater. Everytime it rains, the water gets sewerage. Just like a third world country.
Mufi travels world wide giving lectures on trains at train seminars so why should he worry about the little stuff.
leeward lolo

Elgin, IL

#22 Dec 17, 2008
miss molly wrote:
And we wander why visitors aren't coming anymore.
Hawaii is in a state of decay an we are in denial.
We are not in denial, just tired of trying and trying and getting ignored or targeted.
Kimo

Kailua, HI

#23 Dec 17, 2008
No worry, Mufi will fix the potholes, he'll just slap an additional tax on the drivers, their vehicles, or maybe get creative and come up with some kinda "iPod" tax like New York just got. You go Mufi...you da man?

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