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Teachers without time to plan would be baby sitters - Hawaii Ed...

There are 49 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 27, 2009, titled Teachers without time to plan would be baby sitters - Hawaii Ed.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

I write neither as a state Department of Education employee nor as a parent of a child in public school , but rather as an objective citizen.

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swannie

Ocean View, HI

#41 Nov 27, 2009
Education is the biggest item in the state's budget, yet the governor is not allowed any say in how the money is spent. Way more than half of education employees have NO teaching duties. Hawai'i is getting ripped off by a pack of thieves who prey on the very resource that is our future. I firmly believe that 99% of teachers really want to help kids, and the administrators only want to kick back and cruze brah.
You are STUPID

Mililani, HI

#42 Nov 27, 2009
realist wrote:
What a crock! Teachers either know their subject or they do not. If they know their subject and have at least a few years of experience; planning days are not needed. If the teacher does not know their subject then they should not be in class and are only good for baby sitting. The writer here misses the point; Hawaii does not have endless supplies of money and we need to step back expenditures on everything including (most especially) education. Wake up Hawaii. Get a fixed curriculum, dump the central DOE office planners, cut overhead with consolidation of schools, and preserve school classroom days all at a lower cost.
If what you say is true, then just take a video of the teacher one year. Then for every other class til eternity, just play the video in front of the students. No distinction for class differences. In fact, don't even need schools and classrooms, just sell the video to the parents and they can play it at home. Hahahahaha!! Now, there is REAL SAVINGS. Actually the state can make money on each video.
Wow

Mililani, HI

#43 Nov 27, 2009
Gegogi wrote:
I'm teacher and must say the importance of planning times varies with the subject and experience of the teacher. Sure, a veteran instructor with many years experience teaching the same class can get away with little prep. That's not to say they shouldn't tweak the course, but the main contents, presentation and materials are already there. Students can live without constant improvements and updates. However, planning and prep are paramount to new instructors and experienced instructors teaching a course they have never taught before. It is not uncommon for DOE instructors to be called upon to teach outside of their subject expertise, e.g., math instructor teaching music, band director teaching English, etc. Having peer support and time to develop and plan a new course is even more essential to instructors in the before mentioned situation.
On the other hand, education convention days, deemed professional development, where classes close and teachers meet for discussion groups and presentations is, at best, mildly helpful. I'd characterize them as being 90% a waste of time. They could be extremely useful if well planned and executed but such is never the case. I'm really tired of "thinking outside the box" and learning more educational jargon for things that already have names everybody understands.
Wow! I didn't know supermodels went into teaching! A great improvement. Thank you. Your comments are also on the mark!
You are totally ignorant

Mililani, HI

#44 Nov 27, 2009
Mike Hu wrote:
It is the teachers themselves who have made the education system unworkable and a failure.
If these people were smart and had anything of value to teach, the system would be the marvel of society in Hawaii -- and not the root of all its problems, which is first, that one narrow self-interest group has a right to demand that the rest of society put them first at every consideration. That's not even democracy -- let alone an enlightened education.
That's really an indoctrination and not an education -- so why should everybody else be paying for it?
That's the shame and embarrassment of Hawaii (education) and why they've all become professional beggars.
You are way off base. It is not the teachers who have made the educational system a failure. It is all the parents who think that the schools are going to give the students all the education that they need. It is the parents who think that the schools are going to take care of their kids while they go to work, play, and do nothing. A child with a supportive and helpful parent will succeed in learning no matter what school they attend. A child with a parent who doesn't care will not learn even if they went to the best schools.
Translator

Kailua Kona, HI

#45 Nov 27, 2009
Whoa, Matty.
Are you saying that 6-8 planning days a year make or break the profession?
Are the line separating private and public school teacher quality?
Are the difference between good and bad teaching?
Are actually the only problem facing the DOE?

You don't do your cause any good by publishing such tripe, and no one is really impressed by your PhD.

"Doctor" Matty...

Pish posh.
Translator

Kailua Kona, HI

#46 Nov 27, 2009
You are totally ignorant wrote:
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You are way off base. It is not the teachers who have made the educational system a failure. It is all the parents who think that the schools are going to give the students all the education that they need. It is the parents who think that the schools are going to take care of their kids while they go to work, play, and do nothing. A child with a supportive and helpful parent will succeed in learning no matter what school they attend. A child with a parent who doesn't care will not learn even if they went to the best schools.
Are you saying the teachers have no room for improvement? The system is a fine tuned machine? That the Pinto and Corvair were fine automobiles, and The American Driver made them into Death on Wheels?

Face it. Blaming parents for the failings of public education is a cop out, pure and simple. If you disagree, please get out of the classroom because you are part of the problem.

Sure it's frustrating to work with real people who imperfectly fulfill YOUR expectations. Sure teaching is a thankless job with precious successes few and far between. Sure the pay isn't commensurate with the societal expectations and workload.

Deal with it. You don't do the work for you. You do it for the kids.

Your bosses have taken away all your power. Take it back, or stop whining.
Mrs Lehrer

Honolulu, HI

#47 Nov 28, 2009
I'm an elementary teacher. Most "prep" days are not used for planning. Day 1 is used for setting up classroom -- moving furniture, putting charts on walls, putting up bulletin boards, hooking up clothesline, setting up centers and classroom library, making name tags and name plates -- making classroom welcoming and print rich environment.

Day 2 is Admin day. Day-long, fricken boring meeting. Just email us! That day can go bye-bye.

Four Staff Development/collaboration days = sometimes mainland/local presenter, sometime anykine waste time stuff, sometime cross grade level articulation. Half of those days can go bye-bye.(Before having these designated Staff Dev days, schools would purchase subs for every single teacher and have a session on or off campus. It was a regular school day for kids.)

Between semester day - clerical, i.e, report cards. No need that day. Most teachers use it for getting mentally ready after being on Winter break.

My school has planning time built in to our weekly schedule. With creative scheduling, whole grade levels meet during the school day. We have more than enough "planning" time.

We also have our daily 45 minutes of "prep", which is not nearly enough time to read through students' daily work and get ready for the next day. That's why we take home papers to correct. But some of my colleagues use class time to correct work while kids do "busy work."

Just describing my situation.
yeah wrong

Honolulu, HI

#48 Nov 28, 2009
Raising Phoenix wrote:
These teacher want the world. Some of the teachers don't belong in our schools teaching our kids. My son was a 1st grader and his teacher actually made him stand in front of his class and she humiliated him in front of his classmate because he forgot his show and tell assignment. The teacher called him "stupid" and all the kids we're laughing at him. We compplained to the principle and the school district manager and they both said they couldn't do anything because she was tenure and she would be backed-up by the teachers union. The state should fire those teachers!!!!
so...

you, as a parent of a first grader, can't spend the time to check with your son on his homework, his assignments, etc... and expect a first grader to remember everything, all the time?

talk about in loco parentis - not only do the teachers have to babysit your kids in school, you want them to check on their homework assignments at your home, too?

granted, if what you say happened actually happened, the teacher was WAY out of line, and should have been disciplined accordingly. this is NOT the union's fault, as the union had nothing to do with it - don't blame the union, blame the lazy, incompetent principal for failing to do his job and investigate. teachers CAN get fired, it's just that most principals don't want to do the work to investigate and document (lazy).

finally - if nothing else comes out of this, bet your son won't forget his homework again anytime soon, eh?
LOL

Honolulu, HI

#49 Nov 28, 2009
yeah wrong wrote:
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so...
you, as a parent of a first grader, can't spend the time to check with your son on his homework, his assignments, etc... and expect a first grader to remember everything, all the time?
talk about in loco parentis - not only do the teachers have to babysit your kids in school, you want them to check on their homework assignments at your home, too?
granted, if what you say happened actually happened, the teacher was WAY out of line, and should have been disciplined accordingly. this is NOT the union's fault, as the union had nothing to do with it - don't blame the union, blame the lazy, incompetent principal for failing to do his job and investigate. teachers CAN get fired, it's just that most principals don't want to do the work to investigate and document (lazy).
finally - if nothing else comes out of this, bet your son won't forget his homework again anytime soon, eh?
EXACTLY!!

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