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Teachers without time to plan would be baby sitters - Hawaii Ed...

There are 49 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 27, 2009, titled Teachers without time to plan would be baby sitters - Hawaii Ed.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

I write neither as a state Department of Education employee nor as a parent of a child in public school , but rather as an objective citizen.

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John

Wailuku, HI

#21 Nov 27, 2009
Teachers should open the school books and start teaching. It is their fortay. I do not think that they are a pathetic lot and Duh, alot. In this economy everyone must sacrifice, especially the teachers with the 3 month vacations along with good pay.
Mrs Kealoha

Kaneohe, HI

#22 Nov 27, 2009
3 months vacation? They aren't paid for those 3 months so you can't call it a vacation. Duh huh.
Mike Hu

Sublimity, OR

#23 Nov 27, 2009
I guess the only thing I could add to what previous commenters have pointed out, is that teachers who CAN'T teach, should be paid twice as much and designated "administrators," which is where all the extra money is going -- to prepare the teachers to prepare to teach.

Learning should be driven by the students -- and not the teachers, who try to make this learning as long and difficult as possible to ensure their own job security -- which is what the Department of Education is solely about anymore.

It's like the health care debate they're now having: it should be driven by the consumer and not the medical, insurance or political interests -- which are lost in these discussions, because it is ONLY about the money -- which of course, they deny that's what they are talking about.

But usually they're not so brazen as to tell you they're not promoting their own self-interest but are the voice of objectivity. Do they really think the people of Hawaii are that poorly educated and stupid?
Mike Hu

Sublimity, OR

#24 Nov 27, 2009
The fact of the matter is that the only thing a good teacher can teach their students is how to learn on their own -- and not, "NO worries, you just need to learn what we tell you to think. We'll always be here to do your thinking for you." That's what the Department of Education, labor unions and the Democratic Party is for.

That's not an education of any value -- even if you have a Ph.D. in it.

Rightfully, with the aid of modern technology that has transformed every arena of activity and functioning in life, what one needs to know is how to "search" for any answer, as they actually need to know -- and not just learning everything that used to be true as the conventional wisdom -- before one can simply learn what one needs (wants) to know.

In this way, one is "teaching to the test" -- which is practical information and validation, and not tested in the old way of knowing all that can be known and not being able to know the difference -- between what is relevant in any particular situation and what isn't, or learning for it's own, and the teacher's job security.

This function obviously should be done a better way, and not simply as a way to create more ignorance and incompetence in the Islands.
FoS

Pearl City, HI

#25 Nov 27, 2009
Yet again (not necessarily on this forum), I challenge any naysayers to be a public school educator, especially a secondary classroom teacher with 30+ students in a class (multiplied by 5 or 6), plus and advisory class of 20+. With a family of their own to take care of. THEN come back here and report your results in great detail.
I LAUGH in the faces of those who still mention "private school" when comparing the effectiveness of education. There are lots of public school teachers who are now private school teachers. How are they doing? Are they still ineffective?
"Differentiation"? Again, I challenge anyone to differentiate your curriculum for up to 180-200 different learning styles. You can't do this during your summer break since you don't know who your students are yet.
Finally, there are NO parents who have 180-200 of their own "children." Maybe Octomom should be commended (after-the-fact) for maybe being able to handle eight at one time. But she only has EIGHT.
JUDGE

Springfield, MA

#26 Nov 27, 2009
Gegogi is hot...Kealoha is not....Gegogi WINS!!!!!

That is all.
DISAGREE

United States

#27 Nov 27, 2009
Actions speak louder than words. This action clearly hurts the keiki more than any other plan I've heard.

Ever thought that a teacher may have been doing the same thing year after year--ever thought that good teacher plan at home or before school starts---ever thoought that maybe this is indeed better for the child---

EVER THOUGHT YOU DID NOT GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS WHICH REQUIRES ADJUTMENTS BY ALL---EXCEPT THE KIDS---

demand that the governor increase state revenues to pay for both the services

SIR...YOU PAY TGHE ADDITIONAL TAXES---YOU VOLUNTARILOY GIVE UP PART OF YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT AND VACATION AND OTHER SAVINGS AND GIVE IT TO THE TEACHERS---RAISING TAXES WILL ONLY PROLONG THE RECOVERY---A PHD SHOULD KNOW THIS
Mike Hu

Sublimity, OR

#28 Nov 27, 2009
It is the teachers themselves who have made the education system unworkable and a failure.

If these people were smart and had anything of value to teach, the system would be the marvel of society in Hawaii -- and not the root of all its problems, which is first, that one narrow self-interest group has a right to demand that the rest of society put them first at every consideration. That's not even democracy -- let alone an enlightened education.

That's really an indoctrination and not an education -- so why should everybody else be paying for it?

That's the shame and embarrassment of Hawaii (education) and why they've all become professional beggars.
hold them accountable

Kihei, HI

#29 Nov 27, 2009
students are given "homework" to complete at home and before the next days classes. so why can't teachers do "homework" also, in the form of planning for the next days classes.

albeit, should they keep their teacher planning and professional development days there better be a roll call taken for those days; a performance criteria and testing of the teachers for those days; and an independant student evaluations of how students have benefitted from such paid days without class time.

like i said, they give students homework everyday and they should do their planning homework everyday too.

and don't give me that violin music of we have a life and family too! lucky you're job gives you that life to help your family
yeah wrong

Honolulu, HI

#30 Nov 27, 2009
John wrote:
Teachers should open the school books and start teaching. It is their fortay. I do not think that they are a pathetic lot and Duh, alot. In this economy everyone must sacrifice, especially the teachers with the 3 month vacations along with good pay.
teachers can teach, it is up to the students to learn.

if you do not know the correct spelling of "forte", then clearly you have not learned much in school.

if you think teachers get good pay, you are lacking reading comprehension skills.

this is not the teacher's fault.
Public School Grad

Honolulu, HI

#31 Nov 27, 2009
Mrs Kealoha wrote:
3 months vacation? They aren't paid for those 3 months so you can't call it a vacation. Duh huh.
Uh, duh, some of them are. There are 12-month contracts and 10-month contracts. And many of them choose to work summer school/summer jobs to make BONUS money. Not to make up their pay they supposedly aren't getting during summer months.
Stop

Honolulu, HI

#32 Nov 27, 2009
Stop trying to make deals already. I've adjusted to having my kids home. Let the teachers keep their planning days and their 7.9 percent reduction in take home pay.
mack

Kaneohe, HI

#33 Nov 27, 2009
FoS wrote:
.... There are lots of public school teachers who are now private school teachers. How are they doing? Are they still ineffective?.....
Your statements are correct but they fall on deaf ears. This is not a forum for the astute and the wise. This is a place where the blame gets cast by the ignorant, by those who haven't read anything but Harry Potter in years. My guess is that in time of trouble there needs to be a scapegoat and the teachers are in this position where they're going to be hung out to dry.

The ramifications for children and Hawaii's future are obvious to those who think more than they spew.
mack

Kaneohe, HI

#34 Nov 27, 2009
Mike Hu wrote:
It is the teachers themselves who have made the education system unworkable and a failure.
If these people were smart and had anything of value to teach, the root of all its problems, which is first, that one narrow self-interest group hat's not even democracy -- let alone an enlightened education.
That's really an indoctrination and not an education -- so why should everybody else be paying for it?
That's the shame and embarrassment of Hawaii (education) and why they've all become professional beggars.
Your hatred towards teachers is not rational.
Were you married to one? Did she leave you for someone more sane?
Your definition of a democracy is out of context here.
Mrs Kealoha

Kaneohe, HI

#35 Nov 27, 2009
Mike Hu wrote:
The fact of the matter is that the only thing a good teacher can teach their students is how to learn on their own -- and not, "NO worries, you just need to learn what we tell you to think. We'll always be here to do your thinking for you." That's what the Department of Education, labor unions and the Democratic Party is for.
That's not an education of any value -- even if you have a Ph.D. in it.
Rightfully, with the aid of modern technology that has transformed every arena of activity and functioning in life, what one needs to know is how to "search" for any answer, as they actually need to know -- and not just learning everything that used to be true as the conventional wisdom -- before one can simply learn what one needs (wants) to know.
In this way, one is "teaching to the test" -- which is practical information and validation, and not tested in the old way of knowing all that can be known and not being able to know the difference -- between what is relevant in any particular situation and what isn't, or learning for it's own, and the teacher's job security.
This function obviously should be done a better way, and not simply as a way to create more ignorance and incompetence in the Islands.
Did you mean anything by this? You had a great train of thought going for a while, but then you must have become distracted by a shiny thing because now it's morphed into run-on sentences and mish mash.
Raising Phoenix

Honolulu, HI

#36 Nov 27, 2009
These teacher want the world. Some of the teachers don't belong in our schools teaching our kids. My son was a 1st grader and his teacher actually made him stand in front of his class and she humiliated him in front of his classmate because he forgot his show and tell assignment. The teacher called him "stupid" and all the kids we're laughing at him. We compplained to the principle and the school district manager and they both said they couldn't do anything because she was tenure and she would be backed-up by the teachers union. The state should fire those teachers!!!!
KidsFirst

Kailua, HI

#37 Nov 27, 2009
I'm not sure what Matthew Lopresti's doctorate is in - I sure hope it isn't in education. He is arguing that it is better to keep the kids out of the classrooms on Fridays and continue with the ridiculous school furlough plan than to restore classroom time by converting planning days to instruction days next year. Any one with a primary school education knows that you cannot improve the quality of education and increase test scores without a minimum quantity of classroom instruction. If so much planning time is needed (and clearly shouldn't be if you know your subject and you've taught for at least a couple of years), isn't it better to use some personal time for this, get the kids back in the classrooms and keep your job? I certainly don't view public education as free childcare. Its that kind of mentality that is failing us. If we want our public education system to succeed, we need to expect more from our teachers, administrators, DOE leaders and BOE members. Just because a stupid contract was crafted by the very people who are supposed to put our kids first doesn't mean that the community should accept it. Clearly, Mr.(sorry Dr.) Lopresti is in bed with HSTA or the DOE leadership. I'm all for planning and professional development days - but not in this economy. That's a sacrifice teachers should be willing to make. When the economy improves, planning and professional development days can be brought back. For now, put the kids (instruction time) first. Instruction time should NEVER have been sacrificed.
MisterMister

Kihei, HI

#38 Nov 27, 2009
hold them accountable wrote:
students are given "homework" to complete at home and before the next days classes. so why can't teachers do "homework" also, in the form of planning for the next days classes.
albeit, should they keep their teacher planning and professional development days there better be a roll call taken for those days; a performance criteria and testing of the teachers for those days; and an independant student evaluations of how students have benefitted from such paid days without class time.
like i said, they give students homework everyday and they should do their planning homework everyday too.
and don't give me that violin music of we have a life and family too! lucky you're job gives you that life to help your family
You must not know any teachers. Every teacher that I know does a great deal of work outside of class time. Or are you one of those clueless souls who thinks that teachers skip off to the mall everyday at 2:15?
I are smart

Kaneohe, HI

#39 Nov 27, 2009
What Difference wrote:
When these same Teachers encourage 33% of their wards to fail public school,---FIRE THEM ALL----get new blood straight out of college that want to teach.
Ronald Reagan fired each and every single Air Traffic Controller that got into the whole union mindset of "you owe us."
Never mind the HSTA teachers that send their spoiled brats to private school that they pay for with YOUR tax money----just FIRE THEM ALL.
This is hot air unless you have a solution for replacing those who are fired.
Do you know how much money it will cost all of us to make sure the replacements are the best, the brightest and the most willing to be in a classroom with all of YOUR kids? Not many are willing, and the fact is that many good teachers are leaving, which leaves brainiacs like YOU to come up with a better solution.
MisterMister

Kihei, HI

#40 Nov 27, 2009
teachers have said over and over here they want to be paid for planning and self improvement classes. you are clueless (duhhhhhh) to think that "every teacher does a great deal of work outside of class time" even the ones you know - yeah, right. your use of superlatives in post #38 indicates your attempt to stretch the truth.

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