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ccpp54

Aiea, HI

#1 Feb 23, 2009
This is a great website but kind of sad public schools have to resort to this. With a $2.4 billion/yr budget for the DOE, the $2.9 million donated by the public and private sector in 2008 is just a drop in the bucket of the financial resources that totals in the billions that theoretically should all be going to the children in the first place.

Wasn't it just in the news the DOE over a 3 yr period spent over $61 million in external contracts for mainland contractors to "improve" students' test scores? Why couldn't the collective "wisdom" all of the highly paid DOE administrators who don't teach to figure out way to improve scores and then implement this plan?

How about this advice that does not cost $61 million. Implement a standardized curriculum that is grade appropriate and focus on applying a strict code of conduct to insure the safety and well-being of all students and teachers. Don't close underutilized schools, instead put all of "trouble" students in these schools and let them fight each others instead of allowing them to pray on the good students. Teachers in this school are ex-military, law enforcement, etc. who will be authorized to "defend themselves" against these trouble makers. This will allow all other public schools to foster an environment in which teachers can teach and kids can learn. In this environment with the application of a standardized curriculum, which is what standardized test are based upon, guarantee the overall test scores for public school children will rise.
ccpp54

Aiea, HI

#2 Feb 23, 2009
spelling correction:

pray -> prey (thugs do not "pray"!)
alice

Pahoa, HI

#3 Feb 23, 2009
very true...we pay enough int axes and the waste iin the DOE is just staggering. They have fewer students than 10 years ago yet their budget has ballooned.
herb

Hauula, HI

#4 Feb 23, 2009
ccpp54 wrote:
This is a great website but kind of sad public schools have to resort to this. With a $2.4 billion/yr budget for the DOE, the $2.9 million donated by the public and private sector in 2008 is just a drop in the bucket of the financial resources that totals in the billions that theoretically should all be going to the children in the first place.
Wasn't it just in the news the DOE over a 3 yr period spent over $61 million in external contracts for mainland contractors to "improve" students' test scores? Why couldn't the collective "wisdom" all of the highly paid DOE administrators who don't teach to figure out way to improve scores and then implement this plan?
How about this advice that does not cost $61 million. Implement a standardized curriculum that is grade appropriate and focus on applying a strict code of conduct to insure the safety and well-being of all students and teachers. Don't close underutilized schools, instead put all of "trouble" students in these schools and let them fight each others instead of allowing them to pray on the good students. Teachers in this school are ex-military, law enforcement, etc. who will be authorized to "defend themselves" against these trouble makers. This will allow all other public schools to foster an environment in which teachers can teach and kids can learn. In this environment with the application of a standardized curriculum, which is what standardized test are based upon, guarantee the overall test scores for public school children will rise.
This is an excellent post. Nothing more need to be said. Hope the bureaucrats of the DOE are tuned in to the forum.
herb

Hauula, HI

#5 Feb 23, 2009
ccpp54 wrote:
This is a great website but kind of sad public schools have to resort to this. With a $2.4 billion/yr budget for the DOE, the $2.9 million donated by the public and private sector in 2008 is just a drop in the bucket of the financial resources that totals in the billions that theoretically should all be going to the children in the first place.
Wasn't it just in the news the DOE over a 3 yr period spent over $61 million in external contracts for mainland contractors to "improve" students' test scores? Why couldn't the collective "wisdom" all of the highly paid DOE administrators who don't teach to figure out way to improve scores and then implement this plan?
How about this advice that does not cost $61 million. Implement a standardized curriculum that is grade appropriate and focus on applying a strict code of conduct to insure the safety and well-being of all students and teachers. Don't close underutilized schools, instead put all of "trouble" students in these schools and let them fight each others instead of allowing them to pray on the good students. Teachers in this school are ex-military, law enforcement, etc. who will be authorized to "defend themselves" against these trouble makers. This will allow all other public schools to foster an environment in which teachers can teach and kids can learn. In this environment with the application of a standardized curriculum, which is what standardized test are based upon, guarantee the overall test scores for public school children will rise.
This is an excellent post. Nothing more need to be said. The DOE bureaucrats should read this post.
herb

Hauula, HI

#6 Feb 23, 2009
When will the public wake up to the same old battle cry of the DOE which is: "We are short of funds and we need money for our educational programs for the sake of our children". And private enterprise is also getting into this fund raising for our public schools which really is a scam which has been going on for at least 20 years or more. The $2.4 billion dollar educational budget for 170,000 students in the State equates to more than $14,000 per student. But, the DOE spends only $4,435 per student and the rest go for support services which include the salaries of the top educational officers of the DOE. The $2.4 billion dollar amount is more than enough to provide a quality education for the children of Hawaii but the DOE is guilty of not appropriating a reasonable amount to the classrooms where the shortages have become very pronounced.
John Kamaka

Honolulu, HI

#7 Feb 23, 2009
herb wrote:
When will the public wake up to the same old battle cry of the DOE which is: "We are short of funds and we need money for our educational programs for the sake of our children". And private enterprise is also getting into this fund raising for our public schools which really is a scam which has been going on for at least 20 years or more. The $2.4 billion dollar educational budget for 170,000 students in the State equates to more than $14,000 per student. But, the DOE spends only $4,435 per student and the rest go for support services which include the salaries of the top educational officers of the DOE. The $2.4 billion dollar amount is more than enough to provide a quality education for the children of Hawaii but the DOE is guilty of not appropriating a reasonable amount to the classrooms where the shortages have become very pronounced.
Yes, Herb, Hawaii's DOE is actually OVERFUNDED and need to cut back on bogus "Administrative Support Services"! Those that don't teach and are only a burden to the quality of the student's learning environments should hand in their resignations or be fired!

And that's a good idea of keeping under utilized schools for "boot camp" military discipline style "training" for troubled youths that need this type of "schooling". The Hawaii National Guard has such a method and is successful.
herb

Hauula, HI

#8 Feb 23, 2009
John Kamaka wrote:
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Yes, Herb, Hawaii's DOE is actually OVERFUNDED and need to cut back on bogus "Administrative Support Services"! Those that don't teach and are only a burden to the quality of the student's learning environments should hand in their resignations or be fired!
And that's a good idea of keeping under utilized schools for "boot camp" military discipline style "training" for troubled youths that need this type of "schooling". The Hawaii National Guard has such a method and is successful.
Good to see you again John. The military style training for our troubled youths is a very good idea. Weed the school of disruptive students and everyone will benefit. Students who are determined to study will have a good learning environment, teachers will be able to carry out their lesson plan more effectively, and finally the problem student will have a chance to straighten himself/herself out. Everybody should come out a winner. Why can't our BOE think of this kind of plan to correct our failing school system.
herb

Hauula, HI

#9 Feb 23, 2009
The $2.4 billion dollars given annually to the DOE is enough. No need to give them anymore. They have more than enough if they can budget what they have more wisely. Take the suggestion of John Kamaka when he said: "Why not open a military style boot camp for troubled youths". By weeding out the disruptive students in the schools will certainly provide a good learning environment for the students who are determined to learn.$14,000 should be earmarked for each student and this is more than enough to feed and house the student on a live in basis. Since the State's student enrollment is decreasing, more vacant classrooms will be available. We have the money and resources, so this simple plan can be a reality.
herb

Hauula, HI

#10 Feb 23, 2009
The $2.4 billion dollars given annually to the DOE is enough. No need to give them anymore. They have more than enough if they can budget what they have more wisely. Take the suggestion of John Kamaka when he said: "Why not open a military style boot camp for troubled youths". By weeding out the disruptive students in the schools will certainly provide a good learning environment for the students who are determined to learn.$14,000 should be earmarked for each student and this is more than enough to feed and house the student on a live in basis. Since the State's student enrollment is decreasing, more vacant classrooms will be available. We have the money and resources, so this simple plan can be a reality. The Military style boot camp is such a good idea that I had to write another post.
susan

Honolulu, HI

#11 Feb 23, 2009
This website is a great way for some of us older folks to get involved with the Schools!
Aaron

Honolulu, HI

#12 Feb 23, 2009
does anyone know if we can sign up for more than one school? I live in kaneohe but go to school at UH. I kinda want to volunteer near my house one day but maybe once a week near school.
herb

Hauula, HI

#13 Feb 23, 2009
Volunteers to service schools and monetary donations to short funded programs are nothing but band aid measures to prolong the agony of our ailing schools that have existed for more than twenty years and counting. The DOE/BOE have still not recognized why schools are failing so there is no solution in sight. They probably don't want to recognize the problem because if they do, they must do something about it. They may be deaf, dumb, and blind to the problem if they have to hire and spend $61,000,000 on outside consultants. And finally, they have their positions and high salary along with it ,so they really don't care.
herb

Hauula, HI

#14 Feb 23, 2009
Aaron wrote:
does anyone know if we can sign up for more than one school? I live in kaneohe but go to school at UH. I kinda want to volunteer near my house one day but maybe once a week near school.
You don't seem to know the deep, deep, problem of our DOE who is supposedly in charege of a faling school system that now stands 49th in the nation.
herb

Hauula, HI

#15 Feb 23, 2009
Volunteers and donations is not the way to fix our schools. Our schools are in deep trouble and it would take more than that to get our system to float again in the right derection. It would be better to let it sink and destroy itself completely and start all over again by breaking the DOE into seven more accountable districts and this can be done at a cost of only $1.4 billioan dollars which will save thew State a whopping ONE BILLION DOLLARS.
herb

Hauula, HI

#16 Feb 23, 2009
Volunteers and donations is not the way to fix our schools. Our schools are in deep trouble and it would take more than that to get our system to float again in the right derection. It would be better to let it sink and destroy itself completely and start all over again by breaking the DOE into seven more accountable districts and this can be done at a cost of only $1.4 billion dollars which will save the State a whopping ONE BILLION DOLLARS.
herb

Hauula, HI

#17 Feb 23, 2009
60,000 taxpayers in the state are paying $4,000 each to finance the public school system and what do we get. No accountability, no creditable audit for more than 30 years, a school system that is 49th in the nation, DOE bureaucrats that cannot figure the problem in our schools so they spend $61 million for outside consultants for help, a BOE that spends their meeting hours in a regressive manner by only discussing to cut vital school programs, etc. Do we deserve this? Are we getting our money's worth? Are we really stupid, apathethic, or really don't care?
OMGWTF

Ewa Beach, HI

#18 Feb 24, 2009
this must be a joke, right? is DOE really asking for public donations when they're wasting taxpayers money? i would donate if i didn't have to spend thousands of dollars PER MONTH on my child's tuition. typical of an organization when they don't see that the main problem lies within. i just feel sorry for the children attending DOE schools.
Aaron

Honolulu, HI

#19 Feb 24, 2009
herb wrote:
<quoted text> You don't seem to know the deep, deep, problem of our DOE who is supposedly in charege of a faling school system that now stands 49th in the nation.
thanks for your condescension, but as a full-time undergraduate student who is looking to give back to my community, I think this is a perfect opportunity for me. please go discourage young people from providing service some place else. volunteers have and always will be an integral component to schools throughout the country. it is a positive way of connecting people from the community with our students.
obviously you have some serious issues with the DOE and I am sure they are more than substantiated, but i don't need you patronizing me. i am just looking to provide a service to my community when i have time. rant to someone else, please.
herb

Hauula, HI

#20 Feb 24, 2009
Aaron wrote:
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thanks for your condescension, but as a full-time undergraduate student who is looking to give back to my community, I think this is a perfect opportunity for me. please go discourage young people from providing service some place else. volunteers have and always will be an integral component to schools throughout the country. it is a positive way of connecting people from the community with our students.
obviously you have some serious issues with the DOE and I am sure they are more than substantiated, but i don't need you patronizing me. i am just looking to provide a service to my community when i have time. rant to someone else, please.
You must be really naive and haven't noticed the corrupt DOE who has been making shady deals with special interest for over 40 years and just recently agreed to another shady contract. And , you as a patriotic citizen will offer your services to a mobster controlled DOE once a week for the sake of our children.

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