Hospitals hurting - Hawaii News

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Isle facilities lost $187 million on patient care last year, a figure that is likely to jump in 2010 as more people lose jobs and insurance, a report warns By Helen Altonn POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 05, 2009 Return to Paginated View Hawaii's 16 hospitals lost $187 million on patient care last year - a drop from the previous year's $212 million - ...
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pocho

Waipahu, HI

#1 Nov 5, 2009
and The annoited one Obama wants the government to socialize medicine.

The US will be in seriously more debt than what it is today.

Lose Money Already
willie

Farmington, MI

#2 Nov 5, 2009
Yep, healthcare for all works great...as long as you don't run out of other people's money to fund it AND you don't really care if the level of care is the best.
pocho

Waipahu, HI

#3 Nov 5, 2009
Prez Obama, one suggestion to help keep the medical costs down here in America.

Oversee the Hospital's Staff and Doctor's pay, control it like you'd do with the Bailed our Banks

thats the only way to fix it up fast!
loco moco

Rockville, MD

#4 Nov 5, 2009
"The hospitals", plural? Wouldn't it be helpful to know how well or poorly each specific hospital performed? It doesn't serve the consumer to just give us a lumped-together total. Financial losses can potentially impact quality of care, thus the public deserves to know who's ranked where on the list.
realmerv

Wahiawa, HI

#5 Nov 5, 2009
Obama plans to reduce hospital and doctor reimbursements in the amount of $500 billion. If the hospitals are only being reimbursed at a 88% rate now in Hawaii, the additional decrease in the reimbursement rates will hurt the hospitals in more.

The only way the Hawaii hospitals have been able to survive over the past few years is from the grants they have been receiving from the State legislature each year. So if Obamacare pays even less in reimbursements, that means that the State has to increase the amount of its grant to the hospitals even more than before. And the State is running out of money so it looks like the additional furloughs or layoffs that will be needed to balance the increasing budget deficit will hurt the State workers even more.

Whether the State legislature turns to tax increases or State workers have to take more furlough days or lay offs, the citizens of Hawaii will pay the price of Obama's plan to insure 27 of the 47 million uninsured with his universal healthcare plan. Most of Hawaii's citizens are middle income and they will pay with higher taxes or loss of income.

When Cap & Trade is passed and our energy prices increase, we will all have even less money to pay our bills. Hawaii is in for a whole bunch of hurting in the next few years.
pocho

Waipahu, HI

#6 Nov 5, 2009
Hospitals lack control over revenues and costs, with payments set by state and federal governments and salaries based on union agreements, the report notes. Minimum staffing levels are required; drugs, supplies and other patient care expenses are based on need; and unemployment insurance costs are increasing with high unemployment, Fujii reported.

Obama wants socialized medicine, and looky here the State and Government already having a hand in telling the hospitals what they can and can't do. They are going backrupt because of it as the article states.

Only Fools listen to the Pied Piper
MorePorkulous

Royal Oak, MI

#7 Nov 5, 2009
Hospitals lack control over revenues and costs, with payments set by state and federal governments and salaries based on union agreements.
Just about sums up the whole damn thing.
NOEND

Haiku, HI

#8 Nov 5, 2009
pocho wrote:
Prez Obama, one suggestion to help keep the medical costs down here in America.
Oversee the Hospital's Staff and Doctor's pay, control it like you'd do with the Bailed our Banks
thats the only way to fix it up fast!
ONE WAY TO KEEP COST DOWN IS TO HAVE oclunker KEEP HIS DAMN NOSE OUT OF IT.....EVER SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THIS COUNTRY IS HEADING FOR DIASTER...WE ARE TOTALLY SCREWED AND I AM TIRED OF BEING CONTROLED BY SOME "IDIOT"
NOEND

Haiku, HI

#9 Nov 5, 2009
obama should keep his nose out of the medical situation and do what he "PROMISED" us ....get us out of IRAQ,stop military wasteful spending,fix our totally corrupted government,stop the total waste and fraud in our WELFARE SYSTEM and GET THIS COUNTRIES PEOPLE BACK TO WORKING AGAIN.....my question is WHEN THE HELL WILL YOU START MAKING THESE PROMISES COME TRUE?????????
Realist

Waianae, HI

#10 Nov 5, 2009
It goes basically like this.
Insurance people are not medical professionals...they are fat swine.

Medical services are the troughs...you know..half cut sideways metal barrels full of what appears to be about anything that can be tossed into it. That happens to be you and me.

These self-serving swine will do anything to keep their guts full.

They are kind of like that freak that had 11 bodies in his house...everyone knew there was a smell, but they were blaming it on the sausage shop next door.

All they really needed to do was look at the priors on the pin-headed somewhat strange looking baboon (i.e. insurance companies)and they would have figured it out years ago.

People, some medical professionals are onto the stupidity going on in Hawaii, and will not allow themselves to be dumped into a trough to feed a bunch of baboons and swine.

Watch, and there will be no amount of incentive to bring them back either.

Just watch.

....and that goes for teachers, police officers, social workers, psychologists, librarians etc.
wendell

United States

#11 Nov 5, 2009
loco moco wrote:
"The hospitals", plural? Wouldn't it be helpful to know how well or poorly each specific hospital performed? It doesn't serve the consumer to just give us a lumped-together total. Financial losses can potentially impact quality of care, thus the public deserves to know who's ranked where on the list.
The bigger the hospital's Medicare/Medicaid patient load, the bigger the losses. It's been that way for the last 15-20 years. It's just gotten worse and worse each year.

The losses have always been covered by the private insurers, i.e. HMSA, Kaiser, etc. This is why private insurance premiums have been rising faster than the CPI for the last 15-20 years.

The Dems health care reform, with the public option, which will mirror Medicare, will only make it worse, possibly forcing some hospitals and other providers into bankruptcy, and docs shying away from government insured patients.
Old Grunt

Kaneohe, HI

#12 Nov 5, 2009
I hope that when NOEND talks about wasteful military spending, he realizes that a lot of it is politicians pushing for purchases and expenditures to boost the economies of their states or to support projects for their contributors, often for stuff that the military does NOT want. As for military retirees, the reduction in medicare payments is another kick in the okole. Congress promised us complete health care for the rest of our lives. The Supreme Court decided that Congress did not have the authority to make that promise. So, military retirees had to pay for Tricare Prime medical insurance. When we reach 65, we pay for Medicare Plan B, with free Tricare For Life as a supplement. Now with the reduction in payments, doctors are losing money with Medicare and many will only accept a limited amount of patients or none at all. Isn't it amazing that the Supreme Court has NOT told Congress that the are not authorized to give themselves free medical insurance for life? NOR did they tell GM that they did not have the authority to give the UAW free medical insurance for life. VA? I wouldn't take my dog there.
CutEverything ButTheFat

Barnesville, OH

#13 Nov 5, 2009
Hawaii Hospitals: Not Quite Catching Up To Africa

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesM...
Willy

Portland, OR

#14 Nov 5, 2009
Stay healthy my friends.
Willy

Portland, OR

#15 Nov 5, 2009
Answer: NEVER! It was all a bunch of lies never to be brought up again.
...until the next elections that is. And guess what? It worked the first time and will work again the second time around too. The United States of Amnesia has a very short and selective memory. Bad sheeple, Bad sheeple!
NOEND wrote:
obama should keep his nose out of the medical situation and do what he "PROMISED" us ....get us out of IRAQ,stop military wasteful spending,fix our totally corrupted government,stop the total waste and fraud in our WELFARE SYSTEM and GET THIS COUNTRIES PEOPLE BACK TO WORKING AGAIN.....my question is WHEN THE HELL WILL YOU START MAKING THESE PROMISES COME TRUE?????????
Jerry Okamura

Makawao, HI

#16 Nov 5, 2009
Which is a more reliable source of income? The government or the "people"? If the "people" paid for what they want or need, is the source of money you need to survive and thrive, better or worse, then when you depend on the government to provide that source of money you need to survive?
as bad as it looks

Honolulu, HI

#17 Nov 5, 2009
With "only" 93,000 without health insurance, as a state we are much better off than the US as a whole (less than 10% of our population without insurance), which is much better than nationwide. HI will be exempt from the U.S. health care bill, for better or worse, because of the progressive state law already in place which mandates employer provided health care.

The true problem is not the politicians of either ilk. The true problem are the greedy doctors who charge as much as they want to perform procedures. I don't care how much school (or how many student loans) they have. Stop being so greedy. Their kids all go to private school. Their wives all spend the day at Neiman Marcus. The docs feel compelled to stick it to their patients for as much as they can. Shame on them.
mo_waste

Clarksville, TN

#19 Nov 5, 2009
just print some more money already, that'll fix everything...

free medical and rising costs will mean more taxation. more taxation will result in total taxation but that won't matter because everything will be provided, government jobs, government medical, government housing, so once all of your money pays for all of the government provisions, VOILA we have a new "system," in america. sound and look familiar? wake up people, the end is near...
realmerv

Wahiawa, HI

#20 Nov 5, 2009
as bad as it looks wrote:
With "only" 93,000 without health insurance, as a state we are much better off than the US as a whole (less than 10% of our population without insurance), which is much better than nationwide. HI will be exempt from the U.S. health care bill, for better or worse, because of the progressive state law already in place which mandates employer provided health care.
The true problem is not the politicians of either ilk. The true problem are the greedy doctors who charge as much as they want to perform procedures. I don't care how much school (or how many student loans) they have. Stop being so greedy. Their kids all go to private school. Their wives all spend the day at Neiman Marcus. The docs feel compelled to stick it to their patients for as much as they can. Shame on them.
I gather that you are one of those without health insurance.

Just to let you know, HMSA which covers most of Hawaii's insured, signs up the doctors for their plans and HMSA dictates what the doctors are allowed to charge the patients. The doctors can't charge anything above the rates set by HMSA. So stop misleading readers with your ignorant post which hints at some envy on your part.
Day

AOL

#22 Nov 8, 2009
Waht is interesting there are still illegal aliens with bogas documents employed in some of the Hospitals. When is this going to stop? Many have been here for years. Most are of Hispanic background.

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