Bills seek to define ceded lands poli...

Bills seek to define ceded lands policy - Hawaii News

There are 15 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 1, 2009, titled Bills seek to define ceded lands policy - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Despite a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, much work remains on a lawsuit filed by the Office of Hawaiian Affairs over the sale of ceded lands.

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realmerv

Honolulu, HI

#1 Apr 1, 2009
I wonder how many millions of dollars have been spent fighting this case? My guess is that it would have taken care of a huge chunk of our budget deficit.

The State wastes a lot of money that would normally be used to help the needy in our State.

The State is like any household with a budget, when you spend your money on luxuries or waste your money in any way, you won't have the money to pay for your necessities.

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Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#2 Apr 1, 2009
The title of the article epitomizes the lack of fairness and accuracy in the local B.S. media.

These lands were NEVER ceded nor did Hawaiians and their legal heirs sign to transfer ANY of their title to ANYONE or to the "state" of Hawai'i required by the statute of frauds but as usual some local B.S. media tries to mislead the public.

Meanwhile both Lingle and Bennett are in leadership positions and both advocate conversion. These two people of powerful authority (Lingle and Bennett) are also quoted by the local paper as saying that there is no cloud on the state's fee title KNOWING that Hawaiians and their legal heirs NEVER consented and their legal heirs STILL DO NOT CONSENT and they NEVER SIGNED to transfer their title.

Secondly that is NOT what the U.S. Supreme Court justices said. On page 15 of 15 they stated:

"The judgment of the Supreme Court of Hawai'i is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion."

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/...

We definitely need better leadership. One that does NOT advocate conversion and does NOT misinterpret court rulings to LIE to the PEOPLE like how some of these politicians are doing.
OHA Loser

Honolulu, HI

#3 Apr 1, 2009
OHA got completely thrashed by the USSC yesterday, but now claims "victory."

Reminds me of that chapter in history when the allied forces were closing in on Berlin, but Hitler's generals kept telling him, and their newspapers kept printing, that Germany was winning the war.

Way to go, Apoliona and OHA!
manini

Kapaau, HI

#4 Apr 1, 2009
We will never have reasonable land management if the legislature wants to approve every transaction. They should set a policy and the executive branch will have to follow it. If an occasion arises that is not covered by law, or an opportunity for the state to improve it's position, then the legislature should then become involved.
Sorry to say, when the legislature tries to get involved in the day to day operation of any state agency, things seem to go haywire, pretty quickly.
State Lands

Washington, DC

#6 Apr 1, 2009
Lana lives in lala land, and obviously misinterprets things as faultily as OHA, sadly hanging on to a past long gone and uselessly hoping for time to turn back. They are no longer "Ceded" lands. They are State lands, meant to benefit ALL the residents of the STATE of Hawaii, not just the pitiful few with some minor quantum of ancient blood.
Move on already. Let it go and save us all a lot of money and grief.
Michael Jonah

Aiea, HI

#7 Apr 1, 2009
It's time for OHA to accept the fact that Hawaii belongs to the United State of America, and the Hawaiian Kingdom will never be restored.

As much as they want to complain that the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom was "illegal," I hope they have not forgotten that the formation of the Hawaiian Kingdom was hardly brought about through methods that would be "legal" today. The islands were only united under the rule of Kamehameha through bloody battles and forced conquest.

Perhaps it is unfortunate that today's Native Hawaiians are unable to enjoy the fullest fruits of Kamehameha's slaughter and warfare against his neighbors, but I certainly have a difficult time feeling any sympathy. History is filled with cases of weaker nations being assimilated into stronger ones. If we were to go back and try to right all these wrongs, there would be no end to it.

For better or worse, it's time to accept fate, embrace your U.S. citizenship, and realize that Hawaii belongs to ALL of its residents--not just those with a certain bloodline.
CPJ427

Honolulu, HI

#8 Apr 1, 2009
So let me get this straight, The Hawaii Legislature is looking into writting a bill/law to prevent the sale of so called Ceded lands to the benifit of Native Hawaiians,

waste of time as the Hawaii Supreme Court would again have to side with the State of Hawaii as they already declared that the Legislature CAN NOT adopt bills/laws that favor only one group of people IE The Superferry comes to mind.

What form with OHA or the State do I need to buy land
LOLO2

Honolulu, HI

#9 Apr 1, 2009
So do the Hawaiians or Wannabes have to leave if they lose this battle?
Maybe to one of those self governed Pacific Island Kingdoms where all the immigrants to Hawaii are coming from ? Or the Philippines where many more are coming from. Looking for work because there isn't welfare there.
Did any of you Kingdom adviser guys ever wonder why these immigrants are knocking our door down to come to Hawaii and get citizenship ? Despite the aid we as Americans share?
Go travel a little, get a grip on what the real world is like.
Might discover that the State of Hawaii ain't so terrible bad.
Be careful what you wish for. I for one want no part of trying to run a Kingdom of Hawaiians, kinda scary. Try free speech under Kamehameha I.
But you never know, maybe someone will wave the magic wand and a kingdom will jump into place.
Could Happen Huh?
Sadly not.
If you want a kingdom you gotta build one. Start with your kids, teach them well that they might be better than us........that is how kingdoms begin.
But if you want to fight to get the most out of the State of Hawaii who currently has the responsibility that goes with controlling these lands........the responsibility it has sadly mismanaged........in this I will back all other Hawaiians.
In the meantime I as a Proud Hawaiian work for what I can to realistically better the plight of the Hawaiian, all Hawaiians. But to mislead the kids with wishful thinking that goes to impossible ends......something evil about that.
Wake up, this issue is simply another of many ploys to keep your attention away from the real crime.
Moke Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#10 Apr 1, 2009
dammm i guess the japs beat us outta our land agains...
sue mason

Honolulu, HI

#11 Apr 1, 2009
Hey Moke hon, that's what happens when you just sit under the coconut tree, fanning yourself to sleep and playing your ukulele... waiting for some kind of revelation when you should've been going to school and working like the haoles and asians did. You guys missed the sampan long time ago. Next...
Jimmy

Kailua Kona, HI

#12 Apr 1, 2009
Both Senate Bills 1085 and 1677 are based on the U.S. Supreme Court's discredited 1993 Apology Bill. The legislature must now go back and review all the pending legislation relating to OHA and ceded lands, including the 20% for some reason is being paid to them. More important, the legislature must re-evaluate its position on the many "stories" it received in testimony that now may not be true. Ah ya. One big kukai.
Earl Carinio

Dublin, CA

#13 Apr 1, 2009
All of Hawaii's land belongs to the Native Hawaiians (Indigenous people), ceded, annexed or what you want to call it. When the Native Hawaiians can put their differences aside, only then can progress be made regarding the management of the land.
Moke Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#14 Apr 1, 2009
Earl Carinio wrote:
All of Hawaii's land belongs to the Native Hawaiians (Indigenous people), ceded, annexed or what you want to call it. When the Native Hawaiians can put their differences aside, only then can progress be made regarding the management of the land.
yes!!! and all the u.s. belongs to the natives and to mexico...
willie magnum 44

Wahiawa, HI

#15 Apr 1, 2009
The supreme court has voted 9-0. Fact is the State has the right to sell. I say sell it now to balance the budget, since the do nothing legislature doesn't want to lay off anyone.

Sell now...
Hawaiian

Wahiawa, HI

#16 Apr 1, 2009
Disband OHA. Have a con con now. They are afraid because they know that the voters would vote their organization out.

Vote for a con con next time and get rid of these land mongers. Also, save the taxpayers big bucks. All they do is disrupt people's lives.

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