Damien's divine intervention - Saint Damien

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Her prayers for a cure answered, Aiea's Audrey Toguchi now asks the spotlight to shine on the soon-to-be saint By Mary Adamski POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Oct 07, 2009 Return to Paginated View Retired Aiea teacher Audrey Toguchi left Hawaii on Thursday to attend Sunday's canonization of Father Damien De Veuster with more reason than her fellow ...

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BARBARA KELLY

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Oct 11, 2009
 
PLEASE SAINT damien please heal my son kent of fungal memingitis and being angry plus his blood is not right too msny white corpusal. many other things going please ask Jesus t help we will be ever grateful, pray and touch him thsnk you all, barbara
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Oct 15, 2009
 

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It doesn't work.
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Oct 15, 2009
 
Sorry Barbara.

It is completely smoke and mirrors by the Catholic Church. It is a Fairy Tale and an Urban Legend. You can pray till you are blue in the face. It won't make any difference at all. They have their own agenda.
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Oct 15, 2009
 
They already have their two "miracles".

Don't feel bad though. You didn't miss anything.

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Oct 15, 2009
 
good luck with getting god to answer you...

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Dey tuk er jerbs!

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Oct 15, 2009
 
GothChild wrote:
good luck with getting god to answer you...
haha! yeah!

they might as well go ask a wall for help!
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Oct 15, 2009
 

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This kind of fraud does have victims.
When news organizations treat this kind of charade as fact, there will be people who believe it. Some will make tragic mistakes because of it. Such as believing that they must have "no treatment", "just like Audrey Toguchi". Often, it is a child who is denied medical treatment because of these beliefs.
The myth was inadvertently created when the Star Bulletin reported this:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/03/29/news/story ... "She had absolutely no treatment, not even a diet."
But years later they corrected themselves:
http://starbulletin.com/2008/07/04/news/story ... "She underwent surgery a year later. A tumor the size of a fist was removed from the side of her left thigh and buttock."
But the original claim had already been widely repeated all over the world.
Most people have never read this:
The case report for the claimed miracle cure in Hawaii was reviewed by the president of the American Society of Clinical Oncology, Dr. Richard Schilsky, a University of Chicago cancer specialist. He found that it's "highly likely" that the lung had already been seeded with liposarcoma cells when her original tumor was found. Schilsky said it isn't clear that all three lung growths were cancer, since only one was biopsied, and pointed out that there are several reasons people get small inflammatory nodules in the lungs that might resolve spontaneously. Dr. Richard Schilsky noted that "The point here is that the primary tumor was treated," and that could have helped her immune system control any remaining cancer in her body.
The primary tumor (the size of a fist) was surgically removed. The tiny specs healed themselves. That should be the lead story.
People have been told that it is a miracle. Some want to believe it regardless of the facts.
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Oct 15, 2009
 
The Star Bulletin knows the truth. They have printed it.

Many catholic church officials know the truth, but went ahead with canonization, for their own reasons.

A few catholic "believers" have read the truth, but cannot bring themselves to accept it.

Most others do not care.

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Oct 15, 2009
 
Flying Donkey wrote:
<quoted text>haha! yeah!
they might as well go ask a wall for help!
Yeah seems that way right?
Honestly I don't get this sh!t

Or they could go watch paint dry...

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Oct 15, 2009
 
A Day Late wrote:
They already have their two "miracles".
Don't feel bad though. You didn't miss anything.
And which two miracles would that be..?
I've read the bible[EEEck] but don't remember any of it.

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Oct 15, 2009
 
Urban Legend wrote:
Sorry Barbara.
It is completely smoke and mirrors by the Catholic Church. It is a Fairy Tale and an Urban Legend. You can pray till you are blue in the face. It won't make any difference at all. They have their own agenda.
Exactly! I agree
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Oct 15, 2009
 
The "other" Father Damien "miracle" is this.

On June 13, 1992, Pope John Paul II approved the cure of a nun in France in 1895 as a miracle attributed to Venerable Damienís intercession. In that case, Sister Simplicia Hue began a novena to Father Damien as she lay dying of a lingering intestinal illness. It is stated that pain and symptoms of the illness disappeared overnight.

That is it.

By their own rules, the Catholic Church needed two "miracles" in order to proclaim Father Damien a saint.
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Oct 16, 2009
 
Wow! The church must be absolutely desperate for miracles if they accept this kind of evidence.
Sal

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Oct 16, 2009
 
Someone ___ Anyone ___ wrote:
This kind of fraud does have victims.
When news organizations treat this kind of charade as fact, there will be people who believe it. Some will make tragic mistakes because of it. Such as believing that they must have "no treatment", "just like Audrey Toguchi". Often, it is a child who is denied medical treatment because of these beliefs.
The myth was inadvertently created when the Star Bulletin reported this:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/03/29/news/story ... "She had absolutely no treatment, not even a diet."
But years later they corrected themselves:
http://starbulletin.com/2008/07/04/news/story ... "She underwent surgery a year later. A tumor the size of a fist was removed from the side of her left thigh and buttock."
But the original claim had already been widely repeated all over the world.
Most people have never read this:
The case report for the claimed miracle cure in Hawaii was reviewed by the president of the American Society of Clinical Oncology, Dr. Richard Schilsky, a University of Chicago cancer specialist. He found that it's "highly likely" that the lung had already been seeded with liposarcoma cells when her original tumor was found. Schilsky said it isn't clear that all three lung growths were cancer, since only one was biopsied, and pointed out that there are several reasons people get small inflammatory nodules in the lungs that might resolve spontaneously. Dr. Richard Schilsky noted that "The point here is that the primary tumor was treated," and that could have helped her immune system control any remaining cancer in her body.
The primary tumor (the size of a fist) was surgically removed. The tiny specs healed themselves. That should be the lead story.
People have been told that it is a miracle. Some want to believe it regardless of the facts.
This is good stuff. Thank you.
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Oct 16, 2009
 
There is a Pulitzer Prize story here if anyone has the courage to write it.
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Oct 16, 2009
 
BARBARA KELLY wrote:
PLEASE SAINT damien please heal my son kent of fungal memingitis and being angry plus his blood is not right too msny white corpusal. many other things going please ask Jesus t help we will be ever grateful, pray and touch him thsnk you all, barbara
How much can you afford? For the cost of "divine intervention" in most cases are all BS...when someone "kicks the bucket"...clergymen will always say "it was the will of god"...so that they can wash their hands clean, inspite of emptying your bank account!
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Oct 16, 2009
 
Sal wrote:
Wow! The church must be absolutely desperate for miracles if they accept this kind of evidence.
It's all about promoting their "agenda" and recruiting fools to empty their wallets into the corrupt Vatican coffers. This Vatican has been doing this for generations, keeping power to the elite few to control, manipulate and extort the masses believing in such nonsense....the only miracle is the amount of money flowing into their bank accounts!

Yeah.....praise the lord and give me your wallet!

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