Gambling appears dead for session - News

Gambling appears dead for session - News

There are 96 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Feb 11, 2009, titled Gambling appears dead for session - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

As opponents of legalized gambling launch a lobbying campaign this week, legislators who support the idea say it is all but dead this year.

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Big J-Hawaii Kai

United States

#1 Feb 11, 2009
Of course it's dead! As long as Vegas money finds its way through the back door of our Capital, we'll never have gambling. And you can bet on that!
Silly

Honolulu, HI

#2 Feb 11, 2009
Big J-Hawaii Kai wrote:
Of course it's dead! As long as Vegas money finds its way through the back door of our Capital, we'll never have gambling. And you can bet on that!
The "blame Vegas coalition" is comprised of fools that waste their families money in Vegas.

Right on to all that oppose turning Hawaii into a soul-less mecca for the morons.

How you think those glittery casinos get built in Vegas? Answer: Off the money stupid people spend over there playing big-shot in fantasy land where they can get something for free in stead of hard work.

But the clincher is when hard work makes money, and the fool goes to Vegas and loses that money.

In other words, if you going Vegas for waste money, instead of spending your money in Hawaii and helping ignite our local economy, you losing money.

For what? For brag to your friends and neighbors that you get enough money for waste in Vegas?

Fool.
REAL

Honolulu, HI

#3 Feb 11, 2009
I only say this because from kid times I've never won a bet...not even a nickel bet. Fortunately, being on the no-win end, I'm not hooked on gambling.

Ditching legalized gambling in Hawaii is a fail-safe proposition, in my opinion. The big-money, the small-money, and the inbetween-money exists and those hooked are hooked. And those playing for chance, enjoy the image that comes with being notorious.

I visited Chinatown in San Francisco this year, as was surprised to see Lottery-Dens. Electronic Lottery-Dens and young and old and busted up people were jumping in and out of the doorway dumping their hard cash for their lottery tickets, watching the electronic board for their winning numbers. The floor was littered with losers. So many old, busted up men and women with busted up clothes, busted up wrinkled faces, busted up hopes, busted up pocket books just hanging on the thread of hope.

On the other hand, Poker Channel is already giving you a glimpse into the next generation of busted up hopefuls. The lure of multi-million dollar cash on the poker table is already drawing young kids.

Fast money, like fast booze and fast tricks will hook the vulnerable legalized or not. Just poor odds if you ask me.
sonofhawaii

Kapaa, HI

#4 Feb 11, 2009
I bet you I can stay away from Gambling.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#5 Feb 11, 2009
The other 48 States with gambling are wrong. So is most of Europe and Asia. Hawaii is different. We prefer to export our cash rather than keep it at home.
Keith Haugen

AOL

#7 Feb 11, 2009
Aloha:

The gambling special interest groups, the mob, et al, know that they can stop spending money on Hawai`i State legislators now that legalilzed gambling is included in the Akaka Bill.

The U.S. Congress will force gambling on us when they vote to make Hawaiians "native Americans" and when they authorize legalized gambling on Hawaiian "reservations."

We can only hope that our Hawai`i-born President will veto that bill, if it passes the Congress. He hasa lot of aloha for our Hawai`i and will not want to see us become like Mainland states.

Write to Obama and ask him to veto the Akaka Bill if it passes, because we don't want gambling, and the increases in crime and social ills, in our Island home.

Me ka pono,

Keith Haugen
Nu`uanu
Dumb dodo

Honolulu, HI

#8 Feb 11, 2009
sonofhawaii wrote:
I bet you I can stay away from Gambling.
Gambling is evil and I would never do it.

I bet you gambling will never come to Hawaii.

Since: Mar 08

Aiea, HI

#10 Feb 11, 2009
Why would Hawaii want gambling when you can fly over to Las Vegas? At least they can put on a good show over there. It just feels like you did something with all your money when you go to Las Vegas. You live right here in Hawaii and if Hawaii had gambling it would take us about ten minutes to drive down to the casino and another ten minutes to lose the money. It wouldn't feel like you went any place.

One the other hand if you took a plane to Las Vegas and back you could tell all your friends, wow I went to Las Vegas yesterday. I didn't win anything, but they had some really great shows on the strip. So you see I would not bag Hawaii to take your money because other places around the world will make you feel like you really did something special with it.
manini

Kapaau, HI

#11 Feb 11, 2009
It was dead from the get go and those in the legislature knew it wasn't going anywhere. What a pity and a waste of time.
Someday Hawaii will wake up and join the rest of the world but for now we will remain a sleepy backwater and keep making bets with the local bookmaker and making an occasional trip to Vegas. I just wish I could go as frequently as our wealthy legislators.
Geronimo

San Diego, CA

#12 Feb 11, 2009
Gambling has it's social ills no doubt. Look to success stories across the country. The Sycuans of the Band of Kumeyah tribe in the San Diego area has successfully used their profits for schools and housing for their members. They increased their standard of living and more and more younger people of their tribe have been able to go off to college. The Navajos without gaming continue to live in squalor in the four corners region, alcoholism, and unemployment are rampant. I pose this question: what are the options for Hawaiian youth on the leeward coast and all across the state for the future? Since the state is geographically isolated, has no manufacturing, has no viable economy for the masses to earn wages that reflect the cost of living, no investment in industry, and for many, they work for the military or the state; a socialized economy with corrupt unions cannot be sustained and more forward thinking in a progressive form with examples of successful gaming operations can add a social benefit and economic windfall to all. Gaming can be successful with strict control and proper mangement. Look to the Sycuans who have the wisdom of the owl and the strength of the buffalo.
Island Boi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#13 Feb 11, 2009
Word is all over Aiea-Halawa-Kalihi about Sen. Donna Mercado Kim's complete and utter failure to "Get it". Only a totally clueless person would think that gambling would be Hawaii's salvation for more tax and spend money. "All options are on the table" she said. Oh puhleeze. Her political high wind spin set off the hurricane warnings. Donna, the only answer is to cut all the fat and waste from our budgets and for elected officials not accept unearned pay raises. This is a job you were elected to do. Since you have admitted this is beyond your comprehension and are not up to the task, you need to resign. Right now we need informed and honest leaders that can make decisions, you can't. Ahhhh just another day in the little third world state of Hawaii Nei.
Local Boy

Kahului, HI

#14 Feb 11, 2009
"Everthing is on the table." I thought I heard somebody say that about possible solutions. I guess what really important is what goes UNDER the table.
Island Boi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#15 Feb 11, 2009
The Sycuans of the Band of Kumeyah tribe in the San Diego have something sadly missing in Hawaii, intelligent and corruption free leadership. Yes, they have done well with gambling money, raising their standard of living. What you can't see are all those people who live off the reservation that are losing their money to support them. In Hawaii it would be our own people losing money to support the few who would make money. hmmmmmm that sounds exactly like our current state tax system. What we should have supported is cruise ship gambling so the tourists leave more money for us but no, that was turned down. Sad to say we are our own worst enemy. Just another day in the Nei.
kapaa

Lihue, HI

#16 Feb 11, 2009
why not put it to a vote? majority wins .... that would never happen because lawmakers know that it would be a landslide for gambling...why shouldn't the state make a profit off the taxes from the winnings and a state lottery. i would rather spend my money here gambling rather than going to vegas and making a deposit there...at least my losingsd will stay in the state
Popeye

Schaumburg, IL

#17 Feb 11, 2009
As with most issues, the solution lies somewhere between the extremes. Most likely not a lottery since this invites the poor and soon-to-be-poor to lose money. I don't know what the best option would be, but to throw away an option because a vocal portion of the population disagrees with the concept is wrong. If the cross section of people I see and know is an indication of what goes on in the state, gambling is pretty common, probably over 50% of the people do it. I'll bet you.
Kauai Guy

Kailua Kona, HI

#18 Feb 11, 2009
All these haoles from outside come here & give testimony. We need to get a coalition in support of gambling here!
Bogey1

Thousand Oaks, CA

#19 Feb 11, 2009
The public should have a choice if they want to gamble. These fear-mongers are taking away this choice," Souki said.

Jack Hoag, a member of the anti-gambling coalition, said he worried about such a vote, because gaming interests would pour in advertising money to influence the outcome."

Actually the anti-gambling lobby would consist of Nevada interests trying not to lose their Hawaiian customers.

Also, there is no state income tax in Nevada, paid for in part by gamblers from Hawaii.
Bogey1

Thousand Oaks, CA

#20 Feb 11, 2009
I have to add....ever since Capt Cook, the "do-gooders" have always had the "do as I say, not as I do" philosophy. They then stole Hawaii for themselves.
Kaimukirich

Honolulu, HI

#21 Feb 11, 2009
I would support legalized gambling in Hawaii under the following conditions:

1) No local resident can gamble at a Hawaii casino. Only visitors will be allowed to gamble (current out-of-state license or passport shown to enter gambling area).

2) A high percentage (say 70-80%) of the casino staff must be local (paid Hawaii taxes for at least 2 previous years before employment).

3) Hawaii residents can enjoy the casino's amenities, i.e.- restaurants, hotel, meeting rooms, etc.- But they cannot gamble.

4) Any casino found with a current Hawaii resident gambling on its establishment, will have its gambling license immediately revoked for a period up to a year.(The casino would then basically become a hotel during its license suspension.)

Under this system, you could have your cake and eat it too. You would employ local residents (dealers, cooks, waiters, hostesses, entertainers, etc.), but with the restriction, would NOT have the social gambling problem. Visitors will be happy with another venue of entertainment and government would have more revenue in its coffers.

I believe Monte Carlo uses this system.
Rowdy Yates

Ewa Beach, HI

#22 Feb 11, 2009
Las Vegas after cruising around the place 30 years ago is bigger. Downtown hasn’t changed all that much. It is still dangerous.

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