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[alice]

We need a much stronger stimulus. The weak one Obama signed was way too small for the size and severity of the recession.

[leeward lolo]

alice wrote:

We need a much stronger stimulus. The weak one Obama signed was way too small for the size and severity of the recession.

I cannot even think of a reply to the idiot.

[Guru]

leeward lolo wrote:

<quoted text>
I cannot even think of a reply to the idiot.

...I think she is talking about her own needs...

[Tama Samoa]

alice wrote:

We need a much stronger stimulus. The weak one Obama signed was way too small for the size and severity of the recession.

keep those those demons under control hon, don't let it get out of hand like Obama is doing to our economy.

[Tama Samoa]

alice wrote:

We need a much stronger stimulus. The weak one Obama signed was way too small for the size and severity of the recession.

Ho the stimulus was not too weak it is Obamas socialist spending that is weakening our economy and keeping unemployment high. But why am I talking to a demon posses student who waste student loans that she can not be able to pay back after Obamas deficit in less than a year which is more than Clintons deficit in 8 years?

[Tama Samoa]

TA Addict wrote:

<quoted text>PS - what "fundamentals" are you seeing that point to inflation? I see some, but I also see a lot pointing the other way!

The last time Timmy G was there the chinese students laugh at him when he spoke. Now Obama is desperate enough and the only weapon he seems to be using more often is talking heads like China are stupid enough to even listen to this phony guy who is sinking the dollar.

These is an example of news where you build fundamentals around and make decisions where the dollar is heading. Right now with all the talking heads from wall street and Washington is not goingto change the outlook for dollar weakness and gold price going high because Obamas words does not match his action. Obama and Timmy going around saying they want a stronger dollar but their actions and policies proves otherwise, the opposite of what they say...go figure

China-U.S. spar over currencies ahead of Obama visit

By Patricia Zengerle and Yoo Choonsik
SINGAPORE (Reuters)- The United States and China sparred over exchange rates at a meeting of Asia Pacific leaders on Sunday, pointing to tricky talks ahead for President Barack Obama when he flies to China to address economic tensions.

The discord surfaced at a summit of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum in Singapore when a reference to "market-oriented exchange rates" was cut from a communique issued at the end of two days of talks. An APEC delegation official said Washington and Beijing could not agree on the wording.

That underscored strains likely to feature when Obama flies to Shanghai later on Sunday following moves by Washington to slap duties on various Chinese-made products and a growing drumbeat of pressure on Beijing to let its yuan currency strengthen

[Tama Samoa]

By Brad Zigler

Real-time Monetary Inflation (last 12 months): 4.5%

Inflation-heralding commodities were at sixes-and-sevens this week as gold reached new highs without support from oil. Supply still weighs heavily on the oil market, especially after an unexpectedly large build in U.S. crude stockpiles was reported Thursday, along with further slackening in year-over-year gasoline demand. Ultimately, inflationary expectations continue to drive speculators into the gold market.

[Tama Samoa]

This war on China will sure cause price to go up if China does not response to pressure them import tax will climb to slow it down but prtectionist does not work in the long term and the fact that china has use our debt as a leverage is going to be a hard bargain...we will see

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/is-china%E2%80...

[Tama Samoa]

TA Addict wrote:

<quoted text>PS - what "fundamentals" are you seeing that point to inflation? I see some, but I also see a lot pointing the other way!

and here is where you need to understand where I come from with my view points..fundees moves the market and technical helps me when to pull the trigger and when to exit...

http://trading-u.com/blog/index.php/archives/...

One of the most common mistakes non-professionals make in trading is they believe market movement is pre-determined. No matter how easy it looks at times, with the technicals mirroring the fundamentals — as happened this morning w/ the non-farm payroll and the technical sell signal immediately following in the US stock indices, and the buy trigger in GBPUSD and sell trigger in USDJPY an hour later– market movements are not predetermined and we never know when a trade will be a nice winner or a small loss. Of course we always use stops, and we should never risk more than 2% of our risk capital, insuring losses are small. So if you ever hear yourself saying “this trade is a lock” lose the cockiness and remember your humility. Nothing is predetermined to the degree that 95% of the population thinks it is.

Another huge misconception amongst amateur traders centers around the argument of Fundamental vs. Technical Analysis. Choosing one over the other to me is like saying day is better then night, or spring better then summer. There is no doubt that fundamentals move markets, and that fundamental events and developments have a huge effect on the underlying structure of the market. Nor should there be any doubt that technicals are imperative in giving us signals and triggers at a specific time and price. They are yin and yang; you can’t have one without the other. No matter how influenced traders are by underlying and developing fundamentals I can almost guarantee that in most cases they use a technical trigger to help w/ timing and price. I will agree with technicians that you don’t need a fundamental understanding of influential news to make money as a trader, but having a sound foundation of how markets behave and how economics function i.e. fundamental analysis, can help a traders confidence more than hurt. Bottom line: knowledge gleaned from accurate fundamental information and the correct interpretation of it, coupled with a sound technical methodology, only adds to the professional trader’s effectiveness.

[leeward lolo]

My Viewpoint:
A while back I bought those which were unpopular, ie, bank & oil, with some extra cash which was doing nothing. I did not take dividends. Luckily today I have a few top stocks, JPM/XOM.

Lessons here:
Invest what you can afford to lose.
Buy what nobody else wants.
Do not listen to broker, you gotta know when to hold. Follow your own mind, not the experts.

Works with buying land also.

I am a non-professional amateur and understand very little of the things discussed here. LOLO

[Guru]

leeward lolo wrote:

My Viewpoint:
A while back I bought those which were unpopular, ie, bank & oil, with some extra cash which was doing nothing. I did not take dividends. Luckily today I have a few top stocks, JPM/XOM.
Lessons here:
Invest what you can afford to lose.
Buy what nobody else wants.
Do not listen to broker, you gotta know when to hold. Follow your own mind, not the experts.
Works with buying land also.
I am a non-professional amateur and understand very little of the things discussed here. LOLO

hehe...lolo owns several diamond mines folks. And lots of real estate. Don't mess with lolo!

[Guru]

Tama Samoa wrote:

<quoted text>
and here is where you need to understand where I come from with my view points..fundees moves the market and technical helps me when to pull the trigger and when to exit...
http://trading-u.com/blog/index.php/archives/...
One of the most common mistakes non-professionals make in trading is they believe market movement is pre-determined. No matter how easy it looks at times, with the technicals mirroring the fundamentals — as happened this morning w/ the non-farm payroll and the technical sell signal immediately following in the US stock indices, and the buy trigger in GBPUSD and sell trigger in USDJPY an hour later– market movements are not predetermined and we never know when a trade will be a nice winner or a small loss. Of course we always use stops, and we should never risk more than 2% of our risk capital, insuring losses are small. So if you ever hear yourself saying “this trade is a lock” lose the cockiness and remember your humility. Nothing is predetermined to the degree that 95% of the population thinks it is.
Another huge misconception amongst amateur traders centers around the argument of Fundamental vs. Technical Analysis. Choosing one over the other to me is like saying day is better then night, or spring better then summer. There is no doubt that fundamentals move markets, and that fundamental events and developments have a huge effect on the underlying structure of the market. Nor should there be any doubt that technicals are imperative in giving us signals and triggers at a specific time and price. They are yin and yang; you can’t have one without the other. No matter how influenced traders are by underlying and developing fundamentals I can almost guarantee that in most cases they use a technical trigger to help w/ timing and price. I will agree with technicians that you don’t need a fundamental understanding of influential news to make money as a trader, but having a sound foundation of how markets behave and how economics function i.e. fundamental analysis, can help a traders confidence more than hurt. Bottom line: knowledge gleaned from accurate fundamental information and the correct interpretation of it, coupled with a sound technical methodology, only adds to the professional trader’s effectiveness.

I don't know how the world can compete with a country that has "illegal prisons" as was just reported in the news. They have slave labor, no land costs as they just sweep whole areas and kick out the people, and enslave the rest to work in the factories. No economy on earth can compete with that. The people make the lowest wages on earth, and have no benefits, and are treated like sh!t. They have NONE of the safety nets the rest of us enjoy...and no country can compete with this model.

"It’s clear that the one-way trade dynamic of the past decade is not sustainable …

This is why the G-20 is so concerned about repairing “imbalances.” These trade imbalances are a recipe for more cycles of booms and busts … and with more frequency. And this imbalance problem speaks directly to China … and to a large degree its currency policies.

The global trade imbalances can’t be corrected until China stops controlling the value of its currency — until they stop keeping it artificially weak.
The U.S. can't continue exchanging dollars for inexpensive Chinese doodads.
The U.S. can’t continue exchanging dollars for inexpensive Chinese doodads.

The U.S. cannot keep sending its money to China in exchange for cheap commoditized goods. And the rest of the world cannot allow China to vacuum up all of the world’s capital by undercutting the rest of the world on exports. It’s an unfair advantage. And it results in a transfer of wealth … a transfer of global economic power … and a deterioration of the world’s economy."

This scenario can eventually lead to depressions, wars, you name it.

[Guru]

well, well, well....Rayem...here comes some more of your foreign buyers...!-lol

Posted on: Sunday, November 15, 2009
Obama announces Hawaii as site for 2011 APEC meetings
State's political, economic leaders praise selection of Isles for 2011 summit

By Robbie Dingeman
Advertiser Staff Writer
President Obama's announcement last night that Honolulu will host the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation annual meeting in 2011 put his hometown at the center of one of his most important international initiatives.
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Hawaii has been vying for months to host the gathering of 21 heads of government from the Asia-Pacific region who discuss the economy, trade and investments.
And last night, leaders from Washington, D.C., to Downtown Honolulu praised Hawai'i's selection as a way to put the state on the map as a serious international business meeting place where East meets West year-round.
East-West Center President Charles Morrison said the summit is expected to bring 19 heads of state, many Cabinet ministers and other high-ranking officials, and more than 10,000 participants.
Holding the leaders meeting in Hawai'i "attracts attention and excitement no amount of money can buy," said Morrison, who is attending this year's APEC meeting in Singapore.
"Hawai'i has never had anything remotely approaching an international meeting where the president of the U.S., president of China, prime minister of Japan, and many other heads of state come at the same time, not to mention something like 75 Cabinet officials, the heads of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, and World Trade Organization, and leading regional and global business people," Morrison said.
He added, "This may be arguably the biggest and most open international meeting of 2011, and it's in Hawai'i."
The 2011 event will be held from Nov. 12 to 20.
The president made the Hawai'i announcement to APEC leaders gathered in Singapore.
"When America hosts APEC in a few years, I look forward to seeing you all decked out in flowered shirts and grass skirts, because today I'm announcing that we are bringing this forum to my home state of Hawai'i in 2011," he said.
In comments to the APEC leaders, Obama stressed the critical importance of the region.
"Perhaps no connection between Asia-Pacific and the United States runs stronger or deeper than the economic ties we share," he said.
" Posted on: Sunday, November 15, 2009
Obama announces Hawaii as site for 2011 APEC meetings
State's political, economic leaders praise selection of Isles for 2011 summit
By Robbie Dingeman
Advertiser Staff Writer
President Obama's announcement last night that Honolulu will host the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation annual meeting in 2011 put his hometown at the center of one of his most important international initiatives.
Advertisement
Hawaii has been vying for months to host the gathering of 21 heads of government from the Asia-Pacific region who discuss the economy, trade and investments.
And last night, leaders from Washington, D.C., to Downtown Honolulu praised Hawai'i's selection ..."

[Guru]

The 21 members of APEC are: Australia; Brunei; Canada; Indonesia; Japan; Republic of Korea; Malaysia; New Zealand; Philippines; Singapore; Thailand; the United States; Chinese Taipei; Hong Kong, China; People's Republic of China; Mexico; Papua New Guinea; Chile; Peru; Russia; and Vietnam.

[alice]

I have to return to North Dakota as I cannot afford it here. Nobody can.

[Winabago]

No loss trailer trash.

[Guru]

From "China Wars" reviews...
http://www.amazon.com/Coming-China-Wars-Revis...

"...the "weapon of mass production" - low-wage labor; lax health, safety, and environmental regulations; foreign direct investment (FDI) inflows; industrial network clustering; pervasive piracy and counterfeiting; undervalued currency; government subsidies; and protectionist tendencies."

...how do we compete with that? That is why all or our businesses moved to China. Pure Capitalism...no rights, no responses, no laws. Pure greed. Reagan would not deal with them because of human rights violations...now we are in bed with them. Soon we will give over Taiwan in order to stay in China and "profit". Our leaders have sold out our country for their profits and greed. And the American taxpayer gets the bill, and we willingly hands over our cash and country to buy cheap junk. Same thing we did with the Japanese in the 80's...except that we controlled that country. Not so with China. Have a nice day.-;)

[Guru]

Carry trade troubles building...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news...

pj- interest rates and timing as per your question about when they will raise rates a few months ago...
I said then that I see them raising rates a few months before the election, then much more after that...can't see them raising them a year before the election...but there is a war going on between Obama and business...so they may tank him right out of office by doing just that. They did that to Carter, letting interest rates rise to 22%...and Obama is in worse shape than him right now.

Tama, what is your take on this?

[Guru]

...so interest rates staying low depend on this idiot's word. With China breathing down his neck.

"Liquidity Injection

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, a scholar of the Great Depression, has overseen a record injection of liquidity into the world’s largest economy, pledging not to make the mistake of the 1930s, when officials tightened policy.

“The dollar’s devaluation has the biggest influence on China among emerging market economies,” China Construction Bank’s Zhao said.“China has huge amount of investments in dollar assets; their safety is threatened.”

Obama is there right now...probably begging them to wait. Get ready for a major market blowout. Stocks will tank, and everything else if they pull out. More likely is that they will do a whole lot of back-door deals, transferring our power and wealth to them in order to get them to stay with the dollar. They might even agree to a ten year transfer of all of this. This is gonna be interesting...

[Guru]

"Dobbs says his departure from CNN was 'amicable'
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Nov 15, 11:00 AM (ET)

By DAVID BAUDER

NEW YORK (AP)- Lou Dobbs says he doesn't feel like he was pushed out of CNN, the news organization where he worked for all but two years of its existence until last Wednesday.

In a weekend interview with The Associated Press, Dobbs says he had "a very amicable parting on the best of terms."

Although the decision to leave was characterized as mutual, Dobbs says he approached CNN President Jon Klein to say the show wasn't working for him anymore.

He plans to take time deciding what he wants to do next, beyond his daily radio show. He has promised to reach out to groups who criticized him, most prominently because he advocated stern measures to halt illegal immigration.

He says a run for public office is one option he's considering."

...all for you, poi/omama/oakland/momma/sh!the ad.