Voters to Decide on Tax Increase for Rock Community Fire District

Jan 17, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

Voters in the Rock Community Fire Protection District will be deciding on a $10 million bond issue that would end up costing taxpayers between 9 and 10 cents per $100 of assessed valuation.

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One thing in common between the fraudulent over issued bond debt at Fox and this request for more bond debt to hide financial mismanagement at the fire district is Pete Nicholas. Another trademark screwing for taxpayers. Thanks Pete.

Next chance to vote NO on Pete is the April school board election.
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Fenton, MO

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Jan 17, 2013
 
The least Pete could do is send out a jar of Vasoline to each of the registered voters.
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Jan 18, 2013
 
Maybe if the Fire Department didn't agree years ago to help pay the debt of Arnold they wouldn't need this. Arnold needs to stop financing their debt through others.
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Well, they didn't agree willingly, they were strongarmed by Phil Amato and Bob Sweeney. They threatened a lawsuit if Rock didn't cooperate.
Blackmail
Phil tried to get Jules Zimmermann to drop out of that race so his "candidate" could walk right in.
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The Fire District is out of financial control. Their tax rate is twice that of the ambulance district. We really don't need a huge fire truck at every fender bender. There are less fires per capita now than there was 50 years ago. VOTE NO!,
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Long Story wrote:
Well, they didn't agree willingly, they were strongarmed by Phil Amato and Bob Sweeney. They threatened a lawsuit if Rock didn't cooperate.
Blackmail
Phil tried to get Jules Zimmermann to drop out of that race so his "candidate" could walk right in.
The way I remember how it was, was Phil Amato wanted the lady, Kathy Wooldridge to resign and then Jules Zimmerman would have been appointed to her position so that Phil's buddy Jim would have been elected.
Good thing she didn't because she seems to be te one that has a voice and doesn't just go with the flow.
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Stop spending wrote:
The Fire District is out of financial control. Their tax rate is twice that of the ambulance district. We really don't need a huge fire truck at every fender bender. There are less fires per capita now than there was 50 years ago. VOTE NO!,
I don't really think it has to do with how big the fire truck is. I think it has to do with how old they are. They have to keep the equipment up to snuff or they lose there class ratings. You do want the truck to start when you call for an emergency don't you?
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Hmmmmm wrote:
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I don't really think it has to do with how big the fire truck is. I think it has to do with how old they are. They have to keep the equipment up to snuff or they lose there class ratings. You do want the truck to start when you call for an emergency don't you?
I think it is not only how big it is, but how many do we need.
Do we really need 2 policemen, a firetruck with ? firemen, an ambulance with ? paramedics, ad a Fire District SUV for every fender bender? We need better management and the realization that there is not a money tree growing in every taxpayers yard. If the Board rubber stamps every unnecessary purchase, there is a problem.
The population of Arnold increased less than 5% in 10 years, but the Fire Districts budget has almost tripled. There's a fox in the henhouse.
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Arnold, MO

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Jan 18, 2013
 
Please be advised that the fire district and the ambulance district extend way beyond the borders of the City of Arnold. They cover a lot of area.
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I think it is not only how big it is, but how many do we need.
Do we really need 2 policemen, a firetruck with ? firemen, an ambulance with ? paramedics, ad a Fire District SUV for every fender bender? We need better management and the realization that there is not a money tree growing in every taxpayers yard. If the Board rubber stamps every unnecessary purchase, there is a problem.
The population of Arnold increased less than 5% in 10 years, but the Fire Districts budget has almost tripled. There's a fox in the henhouse.
Not until its you or your family in the accident and then you might appreciate the help you get. I bet you go to sporting events and drop a $100 plus dollars in one day but to give the fire district $50 a year kills you?
Maybe we should go back to the old days where you purchase tags and display them on your home. No tag no help from the fire dept.
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Jan 18, 2013
 
Really wrote:
Please be advised that the fire district and the ambulance district extend way beyond the borders of the City of Arnold. They cover a lot of area.
The population living in the fire district hasn't tripled in the last ten years either.
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Hmmmmm wrote:
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Not until its you or your family in the accident and then you might appreciate the help you get. I bet you go to sporting events and drop a $100 plus dollars in one day but to give the fire district $50 a year kills you?
Maybe we should go back to the old days where you purchase tags and display them on your home. No tag no help from the fire dept.
$50/yr. I don't think so.
$8,000,000 budget divided by the # of homes in the district, maybe 20,000,(I'm guessing here) is $400/yr.
The $50 may be the real estate tax portion, but the district got a 1/2 cent sales tax bundle a few years ago, and now can't live within their means.
The old wait until your family needs them is trite.
Live within your means!
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We don't need anymore taxes period. There's so many new fire houses and trucks it's hard to count. Note to Fire District "start managing our money better".
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A Board and the Administration of a District of any kind should be doing long term planning. When new buildings are built, not only construction costs, but maintenance costs for the future have to be considered, as well as labor for the future to man the new equipment that will be purchased. All of the Budget can't be spent without including a 3, 5, and 10 year budget plan.
If a catastrophic event occurs that could not have been foreseen, then PERHAPS, new funding might need to be considered.(But the Board should have a reserve set aside for emergencies), but given that there has been no catastrophes, there should be no need for additional funds, unless the district has been MISMANAGED.
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Remember when RCFPD asked for a $0.25 property tax increase to be added over 4 years a dime + nickel + nickel + nickel at a time. That tax proposal came with promises about the buildings and equipment that would be acquired with the new taxes. The RCFPD board failed to keep their promises and only acquired a fraction of the promise.

Taxpayers cannot afford the repeat financial mismanagement at the fire district. Vote NO on the upcoming tax proposal.

Pay attention to the fact that Pete Nicholas is part of the problem at both the fire district and the school district.
What is your Angle

Arnold, MO

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Jan 19, 2013
 
If there is a fire at my home or business, I want them to be there with the most up to date equipment needed to do the job. I also want them to be as close as possible to maintain the highest insurance rating to keep my insurance premiums at a minimum. If I am in an accident on the highway or local street I want professionals there ready to extricate me from my vehicle and get any victims to an ambulance as quickly as possible. I don't know what your political horse in this race is or what you intention is, but you are way off base. We have a fine fire district, a fine board of directors and a very fine firefighting force!
Taxpayers need to look at the City of Arnold, who commits the funds we taxpayers voted to fund the fire district to pay for their strip mall projects.
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Jan 19, 2013
 
In your opinion. I as a taxpayer, do not share that opinion and many other taxpayers will disagree with your opinion. When I voted to pass a sales tax to go to the fire district, that is specifically where I wanted it to go. I did not want it to go to pay for something that the city used slight of hand to shove through. The taxpayers did not get to vote on the development, how it would be paid for or to raise the sales tax to pay for the roads. It's just a sneaky way to relieve taxpayers of their hard earned money to pay the cost of building something for a developer that is going to make money on it for years to come. If they want to build it, THEY should pay for it, not the taxpayers or the fire district or any other place the city is stealing money from.
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Realist wrote:
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$50/yr. I don't think so.
$8,000,000 budget divided by the # of homes in the district, maybe 20,000,(I'm guessing here) is $400/yr.
The $50 may be the real estate tax portion, but the district got a 1/2 cent sales tax bundle a few years ago, and now can't live within their means.
The old wait until your family needs them is trite.
Live within your means!
If they don't generate tax revenue how are they suppose to survive. Do you take into consideration that their utilities, gas HEALTH INSURANCE, workmanship comp insurance, property insurance and everything else that goes along with it go up every year also?

Have you ever been to a board meeting to see how they are doing business or do you just assume ( you know what that gets you) they are wasting your tax money. I have and I'm pretty sure they are pretty frugal in their way of planning.

I have been to several board meetings in the area and I have to say the fire district is the most friendly and willing to allow anyone to speak at anytime on any subject. Unlike the City of Arnold and the School Board. You can say what you want but if you don't come and participate its your fault. They are more then willing to listen.

You sound like an Arnold politician that is mad because they are not paying you at the current moment. I don't blame them. Strong arming ways are over for the City of Arnold.

So, your not willing to put 50-60 dollars out in real estate taxes and another as you say 400 in sales tax to keep your first responders up to date? How much do you pay in car insurance a year? How much is your home owners insurance a year? I'm sure it's far more then what you pay in taxes.

Stop your complaining and put yourself out there to become more involved.
Stop Wasteful Spending

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It is reasonable for citizens to expect high quality emergency services. But, at what cost?

Mehlville Fire Protection District provides both fire services and EMS. The property tax rate is $0.697. They receive no sales taxes. That's right, fire and ambulance services for $0.697.

Fenton Fire Protection District provides both fire and EMS for a property tax rate of $0.661. Again, no sales tax revenue support for both fire and ambulance.

Rock Community Fire Protection District only provides fire services. The ambulance district is a separate entity. Rock Fire has a property tax rate of $0.707 plus a 1/2 cent sales tax. Rock Ambulance has a property tax rate of $0.21 plus a sales tax rate of 1/4 cent.

In 2012, I paid property taxes of $352 to Rock Fire plus approximately $150 in sales taxes for a total of $502. I also paid property taxes of $104 to Rock Ambulance plus approximately $75 in sales taxes for a total of $179. My combined costs for fire and ambulance services were $681 in 2012.

By contract, if my house were located in the Mehlville Fire Protection District, my 2012 cost would have been $347 for both fire and ambulance services. If my house were located in the Fenton Fire Protection District, my 2012 cost would have been $329 for both fire and ambulance services.

If neighboring fire districts can provide combined fire/ambulance services for less than Rock Fire can provide fire services only, something is wrong. The cost of Rock Fire services have risen 50% since 2005, and they claim to need another 13.4% boost in property tax rate to support the reckless spending.
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Stop Wasteful Spending wrote:
It is reasonable for citizens to expect high quality emergency services. But, at what cost?
Mehlville Fire Protection District provides both fire services and EMS. The property tax rate is $0.697. They receive no sales taxes. That's right, fire and ambulance services for $0.697.
Fenton Fire Protection District provides both fire and EMS for a property tax rate of $0.661. Again, no sales tax revenue support for both fire and ambulance.
Rock Community Fire Protection District only provides fire services. The ambulance district is a separate entity. Rock Fire has a property tax rate of $0.707 plus a 1/2 cent sales tax. Rock Ambulance has a property tax rate of $0.21 plus a sales tax rate of 1/4 cent.
In 2012, I paid property taxes of $352 to Rock Fire plus approximately $150 in sales taxes for a total of $502. I also paid property taxes of $104 to Rock Ambulance plus approximately $75 in sales taxes for a total of $179. My combined costs for fire and ambulance services were $681 in 2012.
By contract, if my house were located in the Mehlville Fire Protection District, my 2012 cost would have been $347 for both fire and ambulance services. If my house were located in the Fenton Fire Protection District, my 2012 cost would have been $329 for both fire and ambulance services.
If neighboring fire districts can provide combined fire/ambulance services for less than Rock Fire can provide fire services only, something is wrong. The cost of Rock Fire services have risen 50% since 2005, and they claim to need another 13.4% boost in property tax rate to support the reckless spending.
I may be wrong about this but I believe if you call an ambulance to your house they bill you....... Your health insurance may pay for it but its billed. Therefore they are generating i believe at least $500.00 a call. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm right from the one time I used them.

I'm pretty sure the houses in Mehlville bring in a pretty good tax revenue for that district. Seems like a much larger area they have. Therefore, more tax dollars. I'm pretty sure most districts don't drive trucks till their on there last leg and are undependable. Including Mehlville. I'm pretty sure your boy Aaron Hilmer over there would give to equipment before his employees. I'm pretty sure Aaron Hilmer has not had to worry about anything in life since he lives off of daddy's fat trust fund.

It boils down to you coming to a board meeting and getting involved. See what is really going on. They encourage you to participate.

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