UAW halts vote on giveback deal

Aug 16, 2010 Full story: hosted.ap.org 22

The United Auto Workers union has decided not to go ahead with a vote on a new wage-cutting contract for a General Motors Co.

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Defies International

Muncie, IN

#1 Aug 16, 2010
The Local put the thumb in the eye of the International
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2010/08/16/U...
"We pay the International to represent us, not commit fraud and work against us," said Gregory Clark, Local 23 bargaining chairman.
Stuckinreverse

AOL

#2 Aug 16, 2010
The whole world is going this way.Wake up.I was sold out at chrysler and took a buyout.Im working for that lower wage in trades.It dont pay the bills. Sadly those in indy will lose their jobs.
Penestar

AOL

#3 Aug 17, 2010
Defies International wrote:
The Local put the thumb in the eye of the International
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2010/08/16/U...
"We pay the International to represent us, not commit fraud and work against us," said Gregory Clark, Local 23 bargaining chairman.
International sucks, they didn't even try to keep Kenosha open. We were the first plant to be offered the phoenix engine. All plants that closed where plants outside of MICHIGAN. Holingworthless is a piece of sh--.
Frank

Clarkston, MI

#4 Aug 17, 2010
Penestar wrote:
<quoted text>International sucks, they didn't even try to keep Kenosha open. We were the first plant to be offered the phoenix engine. All plants that closed where plants outside of MICHIGAN. Holingworthless is a piece of sh--.
All of Nate G's band of thieves have to go. General Hollifield, Maurice Mitchell, and likely Jr too now that he had Hollifield draw his name out of a hat for a regional position.
Make no mistake about it though, your contempt for Michigan plants is ill conceived. they have been hit just as hard as any other plants and have been floating employees back and forth between other plants for the past ten years now. It is only the plants closed from other states that have been able to bring their time here. They continually hose the laid off work force from here locally with date of entry where ever they wind up, whether their plants are closing or not. The language of transfer of ops appears much too often when we are unable to transfer to those other plants. the only plant that was ever closed here that received closed plant status was Mc Graw Glass. Funny enough the International had placed relatives with low seniority in there before they closed but after it was announce that they would be closing.

Since: May 09

Belvidere, IL

#5 Aug 17, 2010
Penestar wrote:
<quoted text>International sucks, they didn't even try to keep Kenosha open. We were the first plant to be offered the phoenix engine. All plants that closed where plants outside of MICHIGAN. Holingworthless is a piece of sh--.
They don't help St.Louis aswell
Damage Control

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#6 Aug 17, 2010
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>
All of Nate G's band of thieves have to go. General Hollifield, Maurice Mitchell, and likely Jr too now that he had Hollifield draw his name out of a hat for a regional position.
Make no mistake about it though, your contempt for Michigan plants is ill conceived. they have been hit just as hard as any other plants and have been floating employees back and forth between other plants for the past ten years now. It is only the plants closed from other states that have been able to bring their time here. They continually hose the laid off work force from here locally with date of entry where ever they wind up, whether their plants are closing or not. The language of transfer of ops appears much too often when we are unable to transfer to those other plants. the only plant that was ever closed here that received closed plant status was Mc Graw Glass. Funny enough the International had placed relatives with low seniority in there before they closed but after it was announce that they would be closing.
Great read Frank and shows big Union political structure and maneuvers. Thanks for sharing this.
Penestar

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#7 Aug 17, 2010
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>
All of Nate G's band of thieves have to go. General Hollifield, Maurice Mitchell, and likely Jr too now that he had Hollifield draw his name out of a hat for a regional position.
Make no mistake about it though, your contempt for Michigan plants is ill conceived. they have been hit just as hard as any other plants and have been floating employees back and forth between other plants for the past ten years now. It is only the plants closed from other states that have been able to bring their time here. They continually hose the laid off work force from here locally with date of entry where ever they wind up, whether their plants are closing or not. The language of transfer of ops appears much too often when we are unable to transfer to those other plants. the only plant that was ever closed here that received closed plant status was Mc Graw Glass. Funny enough the International had placed relatives with low seniority in there before they closed but after it was announce that they would be closing.
Kenosha should have got that engine first. Our plant was rated high quality, low absentism, low cost, high delivery and right now it's still running 1200 per day. Holishit is worthless. I was proud of this union, not anymore. I can't wait to retire. Trenton will never be as good as Kenosha would have been, I already been hearing about the sh-- being made there.
LOL

Muncie, IN

#8 Aug 17, 2010
Solidarity!, Bro
SST

Twinsburg, OH

#9 Aug 17, 2010
Them loser idiots in The International are no longer representing the workers,they are more company than the companies. They want to reduce our wages and benefits and vote themselfs raises in these tough economic times. That jerk Holifield can`t be trusted and even made the comment that 14.95 hr. was a living wage. like to see him live on that wage,he would have to pawn all the gold chains and jewlery to make it another month.
Penestar

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#10 Aug 17, 2010
Penestar wrote:
<quoted text>Kenosha should have got that engine first. Our plant was rated high quality, low absentism, low cost, high delivery and right now it's still running 1200 per day. Holishit is worthless. I was proud of this union, not anymore. I can't wait to retire. Trenton will never be as good as Kenosha would have been, I already been hearing about the sh-- being made there.
Wish we could cut those bums wages down to 14.00 or impeach all out of office.
wtf

Lake Odessa, MI

#11 Aug 18, 2010
Fire the union and bring in another one. They are failing you. All you need to do is hire another union and vote to move to a new one. Since the uaw is falling apart, now would be the time to do it. Security did this at mgm casino in detroit if you need to know how to go about it.
Blah Blah Blah

Pontiac, MI

#12 Aug 18, 2010
If there ever was useless noise and chatter this is it. If you think you have enough horsepower and LEADERSHIP to decertify the UAW, Have at it.

Personally, I doubt it. You can't even find decent people in your plants to represent you now. Who will you turn to.

Quit clicking the stupid keys on your computers.
Sam

Clarkston, MI

#13 Aug 18, 2010
personally if it comes down to desertification and doing away with job postings, bidding and awarding those jobs based on seniority, I would just as soon vote the union out all together. If I am going to have to deal with cronyism, nepotism, sexism, racism, and any other ism designed solely for the purpose of discriminatory favoritism, I would rather catch it from management only than the people I'm paying dues from to protect me from that sort of thing. If they go down to just team members and team leaders that is exactly what will happen only you will be catching it from both ends of the spectrum if you are not a suck ass for either side. It's the good workers caught in the middle without family or buddies in the key positions of directing the work force that will suffer. Pretty much as is now... only a hundred times worse. Get rid of the corrupt union and at least you can hire an attorney to represent any wrong doings done by management. With the union the only way of dealing with such corruption is to take your chances with the National Labor Review Board.
Blah Blah Blah

Pontiac, MI

#14 Aug 18, 2010
Nice note Sam. My point is there is no one in the plants with enough fortitude to launch a campaign to decertify the UAW.

Would you take the lead? I know I don't nor do I know anyone who has the jewels to lead that battle.
sucha shame

Warren, MI

#15 Aug 18, 2010
I thought Obama gave the UAW share in the new chrysler? why the heck arent they reopening the contract to get back all that was lost? Does this make the UAW management? I see a conflict of interest here and it isnt in favor of the workers!
Retired

Plymouth, MI

#16 Aug 18, 2010
Blah Blah Blah wrote:
If there ever was useless noise and chatter this is it. If you think you have enough horsepower and LEADERSHIP to decertify the UAW, Have at it.
Personally, I doubt it. You can't even find decent people in your plants to represent you now. Who will you turn to.
Quit clicking the stupid keys on your computers.
It only takes one small plant to get the ball rolling. If people think it is impossible, then it will be.
The TRUTH

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#17 Aug 18, 2010
Penestar wrote:
<quoted text>Kenosha should have got that engine first. Our plant was rated high quality, low absentism, low cost, high delivery and right now it's still running 1200 per day. Holishit is worthless. I was proud of this union, not anymore. I can't wait to retire. Trenton will never be as good as Kenosha would have been, I already been hearing about the sh-- being made there.
I hate to agree with you but you are right, Trenton is building shit engines, maybe you shouldn't have trades being the jobsetters. Good Jobsetters kept the machines running, trades want 7 days/12 hours, if they don't get it, they can and will keep those machines down
The TRUTH

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#18 Aug 18, 2010
wtf wrote:
Fire the union and bring in another one. They are failing you. All you need to do is hire another union and vote to move to a new one. Since the uaw is falling apart, now would be the time to do it. Security did this at mgm casino in detroit if you need to know how to go about it.
If it wasn't for the UAW there wouldn't be a GM and Chrysler to fight about, just saying. They are not perfect, far from it, but times have changed, i feel and fear for the new hires, thank god i'm closer to the end than the beginning of my career, times are a changing, and not for the better, Country First MY ASS
Retired

Plymouth, MI

#20 Aug 18, 2010
The TRUTH wrote:
<quoted text> If it wasn't for the UAW there wouldn't be a GM and Chrysler to fight about, just saying. They are not perfect, far from it, but times have changed, i feel and fear for the new hires, thank god i'm closer to the end than the beginning of my career, times are a changing, and not for the better, Country First MY ASS
As much as I hate to say this. The govt. saved them. Not the UAW
The TRUTH

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#21 Aug 20, 2010
Retired wrote:
<quoted text>
As much as I hate to say this. The govt. saved them. Not the UAW
The Government saved them because of the union doing lobbying and courting selective senators and presidents, union leaning senators (democrats)

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