New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote?

nope didnt vote. both people sucked so didnt see a point in voting b/c both are fools. do over again i might and i stress "might" of voted for Romney. Lol was not going to vote Obama.
I understand and agree some shit needs to be cut b/c we do have a lot of spending that is a waste. i dont agree with more tax. the people already are taxed right to the breaking point as it is lol more so in NY. The only way I do agree with more of a tax is if its gonna add on jobs... good paying jobs not mcdonalds... something thats gonna be a help factories or something hmm something thats gonna put back money in the system.
Bush wasnt really any better he ran up a giant ass debt too but Obama has ran up an even bigger damn debt but thoe when he took office he had and still has one hell of a mess to clean up. still we are in debt what for $17 trillion bucks they shouldnt be looking to spend like money is never ending they should be looking to cut what can be cut.
It's funny far as a state level how one state can be booming so much and have work cheap tax and freedom like Texas yet you go to NY and its not even one of those things and its in the total dumps with little freedom. I'd blame it on being b/c NY is a blue state but PA/OH are part blue and even they are booming with work and have freedom. must be b/c of NYC and all its silly liberals and their ideas of high taxes plus business killing unions and business killing regulations or something. lol liberals will never learn.. taxes and regulations does not start businesses and "most" people wont live where there is no work or freedom and high tax.
hope in 2016 there is someone worth voting for.

carl wrote:

nope didnt vote. both people sucked so didnt see a point in voting b/c both are fools. do over again i might and i stress "might" of voted for Romney. Lol was not going to vote Obama.
I understand and agree some shit needs to be cut b/c we do have a lot of spending that is a waste. i dont agree with more tax. the people already are taxed right to the breaking point as it is lol more so in NY. The only way I do agree with more of a tax is if its gonna add on jobs... good paying jobs not mcdonalds... something thats gonna be a help factories or something hmm something thats gonna put back money in the system.
Bush wasnt really any better he ran up a giant ass debt too but Obama has ran up an even bigger damn debt but thoe when he took office he had and still has one hell of a mess to clean up. still we are in debt what for $17 trillion bucks they shouldnt be looking to spend like money is never ending they should be looking to cut what can be cut.
It's funny far as a state level how one state can be booming so much and have work cheap tax and freedom like Texas yet you go to NY and its not even one of those things and its in the total dumps with little freedom. I'd blame it on being b/c NY is a blue state but PA/OH are part blue and even they are booming with work and have freedom. must be b/c of NYC and all its silly liberals and their ideas of high taxes plus business killing unions and business killing regulations or something. lol liberals will never learn.. taxes and regulations does not start businesses and "most" people wont live where there is no work or freedom and high tax.
hope in 2016 there is someone worth voting for.

"the people already are taxed right to the breaking point as it is lol"

Maybe the poor and middle class, but to assert upper class people, the ones eligible for the biggest tax breaks and loop holes, pay there fair share, is a joke. Let me break it down for you.

In 2012, I, a person who makes 35,000 dollars a year, paid MORE in taxes then the guy you "almost" votes for, Mitt Romney. I paid 24% in taxes in 2012, Romney, who made 5 million dollars in 2012 by the way, paid 13.9% in taxes. Seems fair, eh?

Hell, ill bet YOU paid more in taxes in 2012 then 80% of the members of the upper class... The top 80% of upper class members paid an average of 19.5% in taxes in 2012.

How you can call that fair is beyond me, but when u just wanna bash the president all day, you'll disband all logic to assert your position is correct...

Oh and let's not forget about those tax free havens overseas rich people love to deposit American made money into...

"its silly liberals and their ideas of high taxes"

FAIR taxes... Not high taxes, FAIR taxes. If you're going to misrepresent a group of people (a conservative favorite) at least TRY to understand what issue the group is trying to present... Then if you disagree, present your argument. But to say liberals want higher taxes is grossly misrepresenting what we are ACTUALLY saying...

However, a conservative misrepresenting what liberals are saying is basically the only strategy you have. Any rational person would see millionaires paying less taxes then middle class families as unfair, hence you have to lie to people about the issues to get people on your side...

Unrelyable wrote:

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FAIR taxes... Not high taxes, FAIR taxes. If you're going to misrepresent a group of people (a conservative favorite) at least TRY to understand what issue the group is trying to present...

So you're good with a Flat Tax in which everyone pays, say, a flat 18% of income, yeh? No loopholes, no deductions for anyone - a one-page tax return:

Line 1: How much did you make?
Line 2: Multiply by 0.18
Line 3 - Send it in.

What could be fairer?

So you're good with that, right?

Teddy R wrote:

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So you're good with a Flat Tax in which everyone pays, say, a flat 18% of income, yeh? No loopholes, no deductions for anyone - a one-page tax return:
Line 1: How much did you make?
Line 2: Multiply by 0.18
Line 3 - Send it in.
What could be fairer?
So you're good with that, right?

seems reasonable but the rich pricks would never let it happen

Remiesong wrote:

<quoted text> seems reasonable but the rich pricks would never let it happen

Rich pricks like Steve Forbes, you mean? He's one of the guys that's been pushing for it for years.

No - the opposition we need to smack down are the members of Congress IN BOTH PARTIES who amass power and fund their campaign war-chests by selling tax code favors to special interests ON BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.

That and the many thousands of lawyers and accountants who are making BILLIONS as tax-dodge artists who would then have to go out and get real, productive jobs.

Unrelyable wrote:

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I paid 24% in taxes in 2012, Romney, who made 5 million dollars in 2012 by the way, paid 13.9% in taxes. Seems fair, eh?
...

How do you feel about Obama, who only paid 18.4 percent in 2012?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/04/12/pre...

Teddy R wrote:

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Rich pricks like Steve Forbes, you mean? He's one of the guys that's been pushing for it for years.
No - the opposition we need to smack down are the members of Congress IN BOTH PARTIES who amass power and fund their campaign war-chests by selling tax code favors to special interests ON BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.
That and the many thousands of lawyers and accountants who are making BILLIONS as tax-dodge artists who would then have to go out and get real, productive jobs.

Exactly right. Neither party is ever going to seriously raise taxes on the wealthy. The left will pay lip service to the idea... but won't really do it.

In the end, the middle and lower classes will foot the bill.

Teddy R wrote:

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How do you feel about Obama, who only paid 18.4 percent in 2012?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/04/12/pre...

I think that's terrific, seems fair to me. This was also commendable - The President and First Lady also reported donating $150,034 – or about 24.6 percent of their adjusted gross income – to 33 different charities. The largest reported gift to charity was $103,871 to the Fisher House Foundation.
I'm not sure who created all the loopholes, but I can prett well guess they wouldn't give them up easily. All anybody wants is what is fair and reasonable unless they are undeniably greedy, and selfish it's human nature. It 's what we're taught in kindergarten. Sharing, consideration, co-operation... Where did we go wrong? How could we let greed and corruption overcome our values? Is there any hope?

Of course - U should 2 wrote:

It's my civic DUTY and yours too!

Pinko !

Yes for sure

We have a choice to vote not a choice who we vote for. A rigged game plays to the house

Teddy R wrote:

<quoted text>How do you feel about Obama, who only paid 18.4 percent in 2012?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/04/12/pre...

Fair taxes for everyone...

It's only the republican minds that asserts liberals don't hold their president to the same standards...

Teddy R wrote:

<quoted text>So you're good with a Flat Tax in which everyone pays, say, a flat 18% of income, yeh? No loopholes, no deductions for anyone - a one-page tax return:

Line 1: How much did you make?
Line 2: Multiply by 0.18
Line 3 - Send it in.

What could be fairer?

So you're good with that, right?

"So you're good with a Flat Tax in which everyone pays, say, a flat 18% of income, yeh? No loopholes, no deductions for anyone - a one-page tax return"

No, as, again, and yes I understand ill have to repeat myself at least fifty times for you conservatives to understand, I'm for FAIRER taxes.....

How is someone, who makes $30,000 a year, paying the same in taxes as someone making $1,000,000 a year fair?

It isn't, so no, I'm not for a flat tax...

Teddy R wrote:

<quoted text>So you're good with a Flat Tax in which everyone pays, say, a flat 18% of income, yeh? No loopholes, no deductions for anyone - a one-page tax return:

Line 1: How much did you make?
Line 2: Multiply by 0.18
Line 3 - Send it in.

What could be fairer?

So you're good with that, right?

"Line 1: How much did you make?
Line 2: Multiply by 0.18
Line 3 - Send it in. "

Ha ha oh so u made $20,000 last year working three jobs? Sure, pay exactly the same amount in taxes as someone who made $5 million...

Unrelyable wrote:

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"Line 1: How much did you make?
Line 2: Multiply by 0.18
Line 3 - Send it in. "
Ha ha oh so u made $20,000 last year working three jobs? Sure, pay exactly the same amount in taxes as someone who made $5 million...

Yeah - I was wondering whether we'd see if you ever made it past 6th grade arithmetic. If your handle refers to your math skillz - it's accurate.

No, the guy making $20K/ann pays 0.18 x $20K =$3600. Ten bucks a day.

The guy making $5 mill/ann pays 0.18 x $5 mill =$900,000.

So, no - they don't pay "exactly the same amount in taxes." The guy making $5 mill is paying 250 TIMES as much tax as the $20K/ann guy.

Still not "fair" enough for you? Fine - we can exclude from taxation ALL income up to a threshold amount - say, the Federal poverty line ($11,170 in 2012, for an individual). Still simple, flat, fair and we can still do that on a 1-page tax return.

Then your $20K/ann guy would be paying 0.18 x ($20K -$11.17K)=$1,589.40 in taxes - less than $5 a day - while Mr. Eeeeevul Rich Guy gets gouged with a 0.18 x ($5 mill -$11,170)=$897,989.40 tax bill - about 565 TIMES what your $20K/year guy pays.

I'm just fine with that, too - how about you?

No one here has more than half a brain.

Harry Potters Grandson wrote:

No one here has more than half a brain.

And you thought you were gifted with your 1/4 brain! Hah! Go bag to Hogwort - Potter.

vote

just vote for who u want

Teddy R wrote:

<quoted text>Yeah - I was wondering whether we'd see if you ever made it past 6th grade arithmetic. If your handle refers to your math skillz - it's accurate.

No, the guy making $20K/ann pays 0.18 x $20K =$3600. Ten bucks a day.

The guy making $5 mill/ann pays 0.18 x $5 mill =$900,000.

So, no - they don't pay "exactly the same amount in taxes." The guy making $5 mill is paying 250 TIMES as much tax as the $20K/ann guy.

Still not "fair" enough for you? Fine - we can exclude from taxation ALL income up to a threshold amount - say, the Federal poverty line ($11,170 in 2012, for an individual). Still simple, flat, fair and we can still do that on a 1-page tax return.

Then your $20K/ann guy would be paying 0.18 x ($20K -$11.17K)=$1,589.40 in taxes - less than $5 a day - while Mr. Eeeeevul Rich Guy gets gouged with a 0.18 x ($5 mill -$11,170)=$897,989.40 tax bill - about 565 TIMES what your $20K/year guy pays.

I'm just fine with that, too - how about you?

"So, no - they don't pay "exactly the same amount in taxes.""

...Both are paying 18% in taxes... That's, in fact, both parties paying the same amount in taxes... 18%...

Sure, salaries can differ, obviously, but that doesn't negate the fact someone who makes $25,000 a year, paying 18% in taxes is paying the SAME amount in taxes as someone making three million dollars a year... 18%...

"Still not "fair" enough for you?"

Still?? You didn't say anything different... You claim poor and rich people should pay the same tax rate, to which you CONTINUED to argue... And it's STILL not fair, in my opinion...

"I'm just fine with that, too - how about you?"

Obviously not, as MY argument has been, and still is, poor people should not pay the same amount in taxes (rate wise, since you're obviously trying to skew what I'm saying now) as rich people... It's not fair...