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Really

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That is one seriously f***ed up diversion from context. In what universe do you think that has anything to do with the Constitution?
But to humor you; You have no idea who you're talking to and making false accusations. I grew up playing war as a kid. I was hunting at age 12. I grew up with guns. My father fought in WWII. I am of the Vietnam War generation. I grew up under the "duck and cover" "training" for the threat of a nuclear war. I would look up and see the contrails from the SAC jets and reconnoissance planes based in the UP. At age twenty I watched a B-52 bomber fly down the railroad track line in GR 1500 feet off the deck on a training mission.
But here's something different that my generation, for the most part, was taught and we, for the most part, taught our kids but has totally been missed with your generation. The responsibility and restraint that goes with things that kill. That the worse person on the planet to be "allowed" to handle ANYTHING of a destructive nature is a gung-ho defense enthusiast. Because they will see the need for defense from EVERYTHING. Including responsibility and restraint. And in cases like yours especially responsibility and restraint.
You are just one more scared little minion of the fear based right-wing cranks.
To which you would say I am of the left-wing cranks. But even when I went to school we were NOT allowed to bring toy guns into school. We weren't even allowed to have a knife in school. We didn't have Legos but we weren't "allowed" to make guns out of clay. We weren't allowed to draw guns in art class. And no we weren't allowed to play cops and robbers at school. School just wasn't the place for those things. And you want to know what else? We didn't see anything wrong with that because we were taught there were times and places for some things and not for others. Something you never were taught apparently.
And you are reduced to profanity and name calling. Sad for such a better than thou person to be reduced to the same thing the great unwashed resort to when at a loss for words. Guess you aren't better than anyone else, eh?

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Grandville, MI

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SeenItBefore wrote:
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But good on you. You have followed right along with the Bush mantra that it's the American way for people to work two or three or more jobs just to get by. You are a good lemming.
Thats Obama's mantra.
You liberals keep blaming Bush for everything!
Now every time McDonald's hires a new french fry person its a major news event!
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Feb 1, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Thats Obama's mantra.
You liberals keep blaming Bush for everything!
Now every time McDonald's hires a new french fry person its a major news event!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, I love profiling. At least I know this, that you're a leftist dope who likes to suckle.
And you're the right wing fanatic that not only likes to, but is damn good at sucking.....

End of Story!
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Bob wrote:
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And you're the right wing fanatic that not only likes to, but is damn good at sucking.....
End of Story!
There you go projecting again.....
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SeenItBefore wrote:
I went to school we were NOT allowed to bring toy guns into school. We weren't even allowed to have a knife in school. We didn't have Legos but we weren't "allowed" to make guns out of clay. We weren't allowed to draw guns in art class. And no we weren't allowed to play cops and robbers at school. School just wasn't the place for those things. And you want to know what else? We didn't see anything wrong with that because we were taught there were times and places for some things and not for others. Something you never were taught apparently.
You seem quite fearful to me...sorry your childhood messed you up so bad. From the sound of it, we're not that far apart age-wise, but my school days were quite different from yours. When I was in high school, it's wasn't unusual or alarming during hunting season, for kids to bring their rifles to school (left in their vehicles) because they had been out hunting before school. We had no restrictions on water guns or drawing guns or playing 'cops and robbers' when I was younger, either. And you know what? You didn't hear about some nutcase shooting up a school full of kids every other week during those days. What's changed? It's certainly not the availability of guns. Maybe it's because we now have a generation of kids who are desensitized to violence thanks to our media and entertainment industry. Kids who have been conditioned through the use of violent video games to shoot first, ask questions later. A two-parent home is a thing of the past and gangs have risen up to take the place of those absent fathers, providing the discipline, structure and ACCEPTANCE that these parentless children so desperately crave.
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Gville Jim wrote:
Thats Obama's mantra.
No, Jim...Obama's mantra is that we need to work two or three jobs just to pay for the losers who don't want to work and think they're entitled to sit on their azzes all day and be supported by the rest of us.
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vox veritatis wrote:
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You seem quite fearful to me...sorry your childhood messed you up so bad. From the sound of it, we're not that far apart age-wise, but my school days were quite different from yours. When I was in high school, it's wasn't unusual or alarming during hunting season, for kids to bring their rifles to school (left in their vehicles) because they had been out hunting before school. We had no restrictions on water guns or drawing guns or playing 'cops and robbers' when I was younger, either. And you know what? You didn't hear about some nutcase shooting up a school full of kids every other week during those days. What's changed? It's certainly not the availability of guns. Maybe it's because we now have a generation of kids who are desensitized to violence thanks to our media and entertainment industry. Kids who have been conditioned through the use of violent video games to shoot first, ask questions later. A two-parent home is a thing of the past and gangs have risen up to take the place of those absent fathers, providing the discipline, structure and ACCEPTANCE that these parentless children so desperately crave.
Well said Vox. We played cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, etc. when I was growing up as well. We also didn't stay inside day after day after day watching violent movies and playing violent video games. Bullies were handled by those being bullied and the bullies were not rewarded for their behavior. We also knew that if we got in trouble in school, it was going to be doubly bad at home. Something today's young people don't recognize. But then, our parents didn't hand us $20 and say "go to the mall" either. We had chores that had to be done before playing.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
vox veritatis wrote:
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You seem quite fearful to me...sorry your childhood messed you up so bad. From the sound of it, we're not that far apart age-wise, but my school days were quite different from yours. When I was in high school, it's wasn't unusual or alarming during hunting season, for kids to bring their rifles to school (left in their vehicles) because they had been out hunting before school. We had no restrictions on water guns or drawing guns or playing 'cops and robbers' when I was younger, either. And you know what? You didn't hear about some nutcase shooting up a school full of kids every other week during those days. What's changed? It's certainly not the availability of guns. Maybe it's because we now have a generation of kids who are desensitized to violence thanks to our media and entertainment industry. Kids who have been conditioned through the use of violent video games to shoot first, ask questions later. A two-parent home is a thing of the past and gangs have risen up to take the place of those absent fathers, providing the discipline, structure and ACCEPTANCE that these parentless children so desperately crave.
The crux of the argument was GRADE SCHOOL. Please try sticking with the context rather than the usual moves to re-frame it.

Plus the original was a kid making a gun out of Legos IN CLASS.

What changed? On my opinion it's this entire tenor of I have rights and NO ONE has the right to restrict them in any way.

And single parent homes? It is NOT a good idea for me to get into that for the gender uproar THAT will cause.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Well said Vox. We played cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, etc. when I was growing up as well. We also didn't stay inside day after day after day watching violent movies and playing violent video games. Bullies were handled by those being bullied and the bullies were not rewarded for their behavior. We also knew that if we got in trouble in school, it was going to be doubly bad at home. Something today's young people don't recognize. But then, our parents didn't hand us $20 and say "go to the mall" either. We had chores that had to be done before playing.
So did we. NOT on school grounds though. Out of that WE learned there was a time and a place for everything. Something pretty much lost today.

If bullies were handled by those bullied there would be no "bullies". For those who took care of the bullies, they did not get bullied again. No bully I ever ran into was a "bully" to those capable of defending themselves and enacting retribution.

With me too it was if in trouble at school there would be trouble at home. Which was NOT a reasonable action, guilty unless proven innocent, as even when I went to school not all teachers, principles etc. were infallible on who deserved punishment and why. That's why I did it different with my kids. I investigated with the school before "getting out the belt". No I didn't actually use a belt. It made my kids appreciate that ugly dirty word fairness. The innocent until proven guilty concept we have had in this country...supposedly.
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SeenItBefore wrote:
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So did we. NOT on school grounds though. Out of that WE learned there was a time and a place for everything. Something pretty much lost today.
If bullies were handled by those bullied there would be no "bullies". For those who took care of the bullies, they did not get bullied again. No bully I ever ran into was a "bully" to those capable of defending themselves and enacting retribution.
With me too it was if in trouble at school there would be trouble at home. Which was NOT a reasonable action, guilty unless proven innocent, as even when I went to school not all teachers, principles etc. were infallible on who deserved punishment and why. That's why I did it different with my kids. I investigated with the school before "getting out the belt". No I didn't actually use a belt. It made my kids appreciate that ugly dirty word fairness. The innocent until proven guilty concept we have had in this country...supposedly.
Correction: as even when I went to school not all teachers, principles etc. were NOT infallible on who deserved punishment and why.

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