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lmb219

United States

#27 Feb 3, 2013
Derek wrote:
@Imb219 - you said he was there for 2 hours. How could he possibly ascertain that this is a cult? You believed what he told you without witnessing the short visit. And to say they were chasing him down for the material. Get real lady/dude! It is so sad to see the remarks you and others have made that paint Teen Challenge to be a cult and nothing more than a money hungry organization. My question to you is - Did you ever check this place out to see if they had doctors and counselors? Did you blindly send your son to a place that you knew nothing about (apparently that is true or you would not have made the comments you made). If someone wants help, it is not the facility that makes the change. It is entirely up to the individual, no matter the place. I have been in some pretty deplorable rehabs but in the end it was always up to the student to take advantage of the opportunity (no matter how hard it is) and make changes in his/her life. I have been to several long term rehabs (3 teen challenges) and each time it was up to me to make up my mind to change. Now, I am director of the last program I was in. Ask yourself - would you rather your son be on the streets in the dead of winter or have a roof over his head, food, and other necessities? Remember - your precious little boy is manipulative and selfish - he knows how to get what he wants from you. I bet your son is still doing drugs and will be till he decides to turn his life over to Christ and let Him lead his life. I hope he lives long enough to find the help he needs.
Ok smartass director "dude/lady"...appare ntly respect and compassion aren't priorities wherever you are. You sound like a nasty little control freak, and as a representative of the program you were in, just makes me more glad my son chose not to stay. Paying attention to the details isn't your strong suit either, apparently. First of all, my "precious little boy"IS manipulative and selfish, as are you and every other addict out there. It is the nature of your disease. If you read my initial post, you'd see I did read up on Teen Challenge as best I can, but like any cult, they only show you the rosy picture they want you to see. The only "real" insight into this place is from the people that served time here. Second, I didn't just "stick" him someplace...he was 21 yrs old and came to this place/decision on his own. Finally, yeah, I do think 2 hrs is long enough to know all you need to know to make a determination about a place in some situations (definitely this one)...sometimes 2 minutes is long enough. So, anyone reading this, you'll see in my previous posts I did my best to be respectful and simply share my son and my familys' experience and was (and am) glad for anyone who finds recovery in whatever way works for them, but the Dbag I'm responding to here seriously got me irked, and you, sir/lady, are a pathetic representation of your program and of humanity. Step down off your soapbox and realize that you, too, could stand to learn and grow.
shane

North Attleboro, MA

#28 Feb 25, 2013
Derek wrote:
@Imb219 - you said he was there for 2 hours. How could he possibly ascertain that this is a cult? You believed what he told you without witnessing the short visit. And to say they were chasing him down for the material. Get real lady/dude! It is so sad to see the remarks you and others have made that paint Teen Challenge to be a cult and nothing more than a money hungry organization. My question to you is - Did you ever check this place out to see if they had doctors and counselors? Did you blindly send your son to a place that you knew nothing about (apparently that is true or you would not have made the comments you made). If someone wants help, it is not the facility that makes the change. It is entirely up to the individual, no matter the place. I have been in some pretty deplorable rehabs but in the end it was always up to the student to take advantage of the opportunity (no matter how hard it is) and make changes in his/her life. I have been to several long term rehabs (3 teen challenges) and each time it was up to me to make up my mind to change. Now, I am director of the last program I was in. Ask yourself - would you rather your son be on the streets in the dead of winter or have a roof over his head, food, and other necessities? Remember - your precious little boy is manipulative and selfish - he knows how to get what he wants from you. I bet your son is still doing drugs and will be till he decides to turn his life over to Christ and let Him lead his life. I hope he lives long enough to find the help he needs.
one does not need god to gét clean
Ginger

Anderson, SC

#29 Apr 11, 2013
lmb219 wrote:
Hello...I posted here back in September 2011. My son was going to enter the program in Brockton. He lasted less than 2 hours, and was pretty horrifying. Basically, amounts to a cult. They mention NOTHING until you are there about the "donation" of upwards of $1k that they require, they have NO medical staff on site (umm, these are addicts, likely to be withdrawing???), and as soon as my son realized what was happening, he immediately got up to leave. They tried to bring in numerous other people (supposed "peers" to convince him to stay), but he said it just felt all wrong. Remember, he was the one who wanted to go here in the first place. He was not given an ultimatum, his family hadn't completely deserted him at that point, and he had a roof over his head. When he finally made it to the door, he had some of the literature they give you when you sign in, and he got almost to the end of the property, and 2 big guys chased him (LITERALLY chased him...running!) to get the literature back. It wasn't like he stole the holy grail, or anything valuable, just paperwork that apparently gave away more than they want known to the outside world. It's fairly obvious that these folks prey on the weakest of the weak that have no hope and no support network of their own. My son ultimately found Spectrum House, and it was a PERFECT fit. It wasn't preachy, it was structured. They do believe in a higher power, and their philosophy is avaiable to anyone who wants to read it. Their core beliefs make sense to both addicts and non-addicts alike, and are solid. My son still struggles with his addictions. He stayed 3 out of the 5 months of the program at Spectrum, and felt he needed to get out to take care of his newborn baby (even though we got to visit him with the baby there...they could meet with us in a big community room or go outside). Word to anyone entering a program - they are as long as they are for a reason, whether you are privy to the reason or not, but NO EXCUSE AT ALL is worth checking out early if being there is working for you. You're family would rather wait and get you back sober, then have you back sooner without the tools you need to remain sober. Bottom line, anyone asks me face to face if I've ever heard of Teen Challenge, I'd tell them run as fast and far as they can and don't look back. For those of you on here that have been helped by Teen Challenge; good for you and I'm happy for you. I guess it takes all kinds, and if this was your thing, and this got you clean, then great. Personally, I'm terrified that not only do they still exist, but often times are a Court-ordered option rather than jail.
well your son really knows how to play you. You really need to wake up. just saying.
Knoxville85

Baton Rouge, LA

#30 Apr 29, 2013
Beth1308,
I went there for 3 mo and was let go to face impending charges to meet my probationary requirements. My counselor, Phil Sanders, was completely responsible for this matter. He is overly large man, who is extremely obese. He talks to students about addiction, when he obviously has an addiction of his own. You can draw your own concussions to how this helps matters of a confused and addicted person. When I first arrived, I gave him my story and background to how things became how they where. He simply stated his judgment, I didn't need to be there and my spot could better be filled by another candidate. He asked me to carefully consider if I wanted to be there. I didn't have to, the court system said I did, and TC agreed to it before I ever left jail. I truly needed to stay and consequently had to stay. However, this opened up a long 3 mo of constantly being reminded of this fact. The fact that I was wanted.
Phil Sanders not once called my probation officer after repeatedly being told it was mandatory. Let me repeat......, not once. When I left, he didn't even know my PO had changed. My PO changed the 1st week I was there and meant he had never called. He subsequently called the wrong PO when I left, which bought me more time to stay on the run after violating my probation. This, in itself was a mandatory 1 year sentence. Upon leaving I was notified he was receiving a new student the next day, that would require extra work for him. He couldn't even drive me to the bus station that I previously put up a deposit for. My Mother had to drop everything last second and drive a great distance to get me. This counselor almost ruined my life. It shook my faith on god and religion to see something so corrupt and false in a high seat giving instructions to lost souls.
Positively speaking, this isn't all counselors at the TC facility. There are things I still hold on to and appreciate from there. I caution you to use sound judgment and think with your gut. Use your own research and don't take someones word for anything
lmb219

United States

#31 Apr 30, 2013
Ginger wrote:
<quoted text>well your son really knows how to play you. You really need to wake up. just saying.
Hey, thanks for your valuable input. Living with an addicted son doesn't suck bad enough; glad to know there is someone with the definitive answer manual out there.
Jane

Brooklyn, NY

#32 May 27, 2013
Beth1308 wrote:
Can someone give me some true insight to Teen Challenge in Chattanooga? We are hoping to send mt son there once he gets out of jail. He needs spiritual and emotional healing, I believe that will help him fight his addiction better. Drugs are the symptom of a broken man internally. He has been to standard rehabs in the past. The first one kicked him out after 12 days because insurance wouldn't pay anymore and we did have the thousands of dollars they wanted to keep him there ( they wanted ALL the money up front). The next one was a 30 day program that seemed ok. He learned a lot but it didn't really deal with the spiritually and emotionally borked person he has become. He has not been in jail before and I think he has hit his rock bottom. I went to visit him today and he cried for the first time that I have seen since he was a little boy. I want to make sure he goes to the right place for him this time. He says he is ready to go. Any information or insight on TC Chattanooga from somebody is greatly appreciated.
I know that God works to bring long term changes in the lives of the men and woman through Teen Challenge. It has saved many lives from death. I hope that your son finds the help through God, personal Savior, who created us and knows what is best. The hard road is at times the best road. Trust Him.
none ya

Marietta, GA

#33 Jul 29, 2013
This program is ruining my mother. Its anything but Christian.
Mrs B

Snellville, GA

#34 May 2, 2014
Our son has been there for 1 year. It has saved his life. He will graduate in May. Can't speak highly enough for this program. I believe he now has a great chance to live a normal and productive life. Thank you Jesus!!!
Beth1308 wrote:
Can someone give me some true insight to Teen Challenge in Chattanooga? We are hoping to send mt son there once he gets out of jail. He needs spiritual and emotional healing, I believe that will help him fight his addiction better. Drugs are the symptom of a broken man internally. He has been to standard rehabs in the past. The first one kicked him out after 12 days because insurance wouldn't pay anymore and we did have the thousands of dollars they wanted to keep him there ( they wanted ALL the money up front). The next one was a 30 day program that seemed ok. He learned a lot but it didn't really deal with the spiritually and emotionally borked person he has become. He has not been in jail before and I think he has hit his rock bottom. I went to visit him today and he cried for the first time that I have seen since he was a little boy. I want to make sure he goes to the right place for him this time. He says he is ready to go. Any information or insight on TC Chattanooga from somebody is greatly appreciated.
former client

Ava, MO

#35 Jun 18, 2014
I was there to, in one weekend 25,000 comes through that door, i heard it myself the director of the tenn said it is tax time get there money, they are diffently money hungry

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