12-time DUI repeater gets up to 7 yea...

12-time DUI repeater gets up to 7 years in prison

There are 23 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Sep 23, 2008, titled 12-time DUI repeater gets up to 7 years in prison. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

An Abbottstown man with 12 driving-under-the-influence incidents on his record will spend at least 31/2 years in state prison, Adams County District Attorney Shawn Wagner said Monday.

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Tammy

York, PA

#1 Sep 23, 2008
Obviously this man needs help!!!
Holden

Joppa, MD

#2 Sep 23, 2008
In my opinion, if you get caught twice you should spend 6 months in jail. After that a year. Once more, and you should go away for 5 years. There is no excuse for drinking and driving in this day and age. Its a shame that typically someone has to lose their life for one of these donkeys to get sent to prison.
cmg802

Burlington, VT

#3 Sep 23, 2008
Maybe he can use the time in prison to get and stay sober. Luckily he hasn't killed himself or another innocent person yet.
Mr Ex Typing Teacher

Pottstown, PA

#4 Sep 23, 2008
At least he will not be drinking for 3 1/2 years. But then again, there is always good behaviour and the WORK RELEASE program. We shall see. Would someone on the news staff please understand the workings of the keyboard. His sentence was not 31/2 years. It was 3 space 1/2 years. 3 1/2.....thanks. Ain't perfection great?
DIGGLA

United States

#5 Sep 23, 2008
Tammy wrote:
Obviously this man needs help!!!
I agree but jail wont do him a bit of good. In fact he will probably be worse. Jail does not rehabilitate it just make you hardened.
Shteve

Middletown, PA

#6 Sep 23, 2008
Holden wrote:
In my opinion, if you get caught twice you should spend 6 months in jail. After that a year. Once more, and you should go away for 5 years. There is no excuse for drinking and driving in this day and age. Its a shame that typically someone has to lose their life for one of these donkeys to get sent to prison.
I'm not advocating this guys actions/records, but in response to your statment of "In this day and age": Really? What great advancements preclude the fundamental need for transportation? Is there some infastructure here that I'm unaware of?
Army Wife

Northville, MI

#7 Sep 23, 2008
Seeing as how this guy is a repeat offender...it seems as though the initial penalty is not severe enough to prevent each following offense.
Semi-literate

United States

#8 Sep 23, 2008
Mr Ex Typing Teacher wrote:
At least he will not be drinking for 3 1/2 years. But then again, there is always good behaviour and the WORK RELEASE program. We shall see. Would someone on the news staff please understand the workings of the keyboard. His sentence was not 31/2 years. It was 3 space 1/2 years. 3 1/2.....thanks. Ain't perfection great?
This is what happens when the paper's editor is too busy pretending to be an historian, the managing editor is scratching himself, and the rest of the pack is out for a sandwich, all day, and all night long. Gitt would be wiping the blood off his "long knife" and advertising the vacancies by now.
Semi-literate

United States

#9 Sep 23, 2008
DIGGLA wrote:
<quoted text>I agree but jail wont do him a bit of good. In fact he will probably be worse. Jail does not rehabilitate it just make you hardened.
As some of us have discussed before, a fellow with problems such as this needs to be removed from society, yet prison is probably not the answer either. The terrifying issue is that a lad can have that many DUI's and other citations and still be on the street! There is no excuse for this!
Will C

Frederick, MD

#10 Sep 24, 2008
3 1/2 years for 12 convictions? He should have been put away after his second. According to the DIGGLA bufoon from Cali, there shouldn't be any punishment because it just makes you harder. Try to figure that one out. He's had plenty of opportunity for rehab and treatment. Now its time to go cold turkey. We will hear about this guy again. It's just a matter of time.
Holden

Joppa, MD

#11 Sep 24, 2008
Shteve wrote:
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I'm not advocating this guys actions/records, but in response to your statment of "In this day and age": Really? What great advancements preclude the fundamental need for transportation? Is there some infastructure here that I'm unaware of?
All I meant by "in this day and age" is that drunken driving awareness is presently a very publicized issue. Anyone, with half a brain knows not to do it and realizes it is no longer accepted by society. 30 years ago people were much more tolerant of having a few and driving home. Not the case any more. I mean if you have an alcohol problem then drink at home. Why on earth do you need to get on the road after you are loaded?
LookyHereeee

Westminster, MD

#12 Sep 24, 2008
He graduated from the Ted Kennedy school of driving

“The Horse Stops Here”

Since: May 08

Littlestown,Pa

#13 Sep 24, 2008
Semi-literate wrote:
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This is what happens when the paper's editor is too busy pretending to be an historian, the managing editor is scratching himself, and the rest of the pack is out for a sandwich, all day, and all night long. Gitt would be wiping the blood off his "long knife" and advertising the vacancies by now.
Remember when the York Daily Record was locally owned and operated and SEPERATE from the York Dispatch? Also he hired local people , reporters etc etc...
Semi-literate

United States

#14 Sep 24, 2008
John Waynes Horse wrote:
<quoted text>Remember when the York Daily Record was locally owned and operated and SEPERATE from the York Dispatch? Also he hired local people , reporters etc etc...
Yeah, that was before the days of McNews. Now we have a bazillions stations, 24 hrs. a day, everyday, and most offer the same McNuggets of identical sound bites and video clips.
It behooves the local, local papers to pick up the slack, but that isn't happening at the YDR, because McClure is, above all else, a good company boy. plus, they let him play with rearranging his History McNuggets. what a waste of time and ink.
DIGGLA

United States

#15 Sep 24, 2008
Semi-literate wrote:
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As some of us have discussed before, a fellow with problems such as this needs to be removed from society, yet prison is probably not the answer either. The terrifying issue is that a lad can have that many DUI's and other citations and still be on the street! There is no excuse for this!
For your information I'm not from Cali.... I'm from YORK. Why is it that everyone thinks JAIL is the answer? It is not...... It is the flaws of the justice system that has failed this drunk. I agree that he should have been put away after the 2nd offense, but he wasn't. I think he should go to IRAQ.
Semi-literate

United States

#16 Sep 24, 2008
DIGGLA wrote:
<quoted text>For your information I'm not from Cali.... I'm from YORK. Why is it that everyone thinks JAIL is the answer? It is not...... It is the flaws of the justice system that has failed this drunk. I agree that he should have been put away after the 2nd offense, but he wasn't. I think he should go to IRAQ.
If you would reread my posts, you will find that I do not believe jail is the answer either, but there must be a new type of "holding' facility developed that will keep such people way from the mainstream, detox them from whatever, and force them to contribute something back to society while they are held there.
What would you propose this loser be doing in Iraq? Walking point? Probing for land mines? Scrubbing latrines?
bubba

Rockville, MD

#17 Sep 24, 2008
There's a reason why he was still driving. The money the county was making off of this guy each time he got caught. As long as he's not out killing people they don't care. they just want his money. if they were as serious as they claim to be about getting drunks off the roads, We wouldn't be reading this article ... now would we?
tutz 5270

Warminster, PA

#18 Sep 24, 2008
Unfortunately, he probably only has half a brain left after years of alcohol consumption.

Maybe a good "treatment" option would be some community service in any one of the many nursing homes in the area or a head injury unit. Have him sit with or help care for someone who is living in a nursing home for the rest of their life because of the effects of alcohol on their body. Or spend time with someone who can't do anything for themself because of head or other injury because of an alcohol related accident. Obviously jail time is not working.
Semi-literate

United States

#19 Sep 24, 2008
tutz 5270 wrote:
Unfortunately, he probably only has half a brain left after years of alcohol consumption.
Maybe a good "treatment" option would be some community service in any one of the many nursing homes in the area or a head injury unit. Have him sit with or help care for someone who is living in a nursing home for the rest of their life because of the effects of alcohol on their body. Or spend time with someone who can't do anything for themself because of head or other injury because of an alcohol related accident. Obviously jail time is not working.
Now that's not a half bad idea in a lot of ways! They would certainly need some training and supervision to interact with folks like you described, but swabbing out bathrooms, changing sheets, etc. in a facility like that for ten years or so just might have an impact. A good post with a lot of food for thought. This is something to contact one's legislators about.
DIGGLA

United States

#20 Sep 25, 2008
Semi-literate wrote:
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If you would reread my posts, you will find that I do not believe jail is the answer either, but there must be a new type of "holding' facility developed that will keep such people way from the mainstream, detox them from whatever, and force them to contribute something back to society while they are held there.
What would you propose this loser be doing in Iraq? Walking point? Probing for land mines? Scrubbing latrines?
All the way on the POINT. No.... all three that you have mentioned. But; as not to injure any "REAL" soldier I like the holding cell idea doing HARD LABOR.

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