Dozens of girls taken from polygamist retreat

[threeletters]

Dad wrote:

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Islam also teaches that any non-believers must be converted, enslaved, or killed, but....
Two wrongs do not make a right...

I have a copy of the Koran. Do you?
I havent found that.
I also have a copy of the Talmud.
In that, I have found enough to fill up this whole page.
All about killing me and you.
and other assorted directives.

Go find the passages which say what you stated here. Use the internet ones you find. Post them.
Ill look them up.

[DC tells it like it is]

Liar wrote:

<quoted text>But you live in DC

No, I do not live in DC. DC is actually my nickname. Has, nor has ever had to do with where I live.

[None]

ttf wrote:

"Oh..Oh its HORRIBLE....they get married as..TEENAGERS....and they...they..they have CHILDREN...oh my..and they..they reject the 'values'(choke cough cough) of the country in which they reside and insulate themselves from it..an and.. they respect their FATHERS..and they they..the wome.. they they wear DRESSES.. Oh my Oh My.. and they built their own little city...and and we sent in the swat teams and confiscated all the women and children".
Shut UP every GD one of you.
The only thing wrong these people did was have a functioning society existing in opposition to this STUPID FAKE ONE we live in - What they were doing that was deemed so hazardous was raising children who would be diametrically opposed to this society, which in my opinion is S H I T.
The men act like children, or fags - none of them have a gonad left. The women are the keepers of the most unattractive narrsissitic personalities on the planet, and every one in general is dumber than a doorknob about anything and everything except the most useless of things.
Shut up, all of you just shut the hell up.
You cant even think anymore.
The LDS teens cant be allowed to wed and bear children - NO.. they should be UNWED and bearing children for US to subsidizzze with welfare, RIGHT STUPID?
Thats right isnt it DUMBOS?

Are you insane? The men had several wives. Or called them wives. You can only be married to ONE person at a time. The girls were forced to get pregnant at a very young age. And some of the so called fathers were getting their daughters pregnant. What part of that is functional?

[None]

ttf wrote:

rapture crap?
oppose abortion but support the war based on lies crap?
support the death penalty and wonder why 30 yrs of abortion opposition results in nothing...crap?
one must pick their 'crap' wisely i guess.
seems that most crap is picked for us beforehand.
which crap does the most damage?
someone weigh the crap please, I have an appointment.

You need one. After the appointment with your physco dr. we will all know if you are locked up for your own protection when you are not posting in here anymore.

[None]

Dad wrote:

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You DO realize that this "closely knit" group of people had told their wives and children that black people actually used to be white people, but were turned into black people for sinning..... and many other straight out lies to control their minds ?.... that's not wrong ?

Are you for real? I hadn't heard that. How could anybody be stupid enough to believe that?
I'm not being smart...just asking.

[Amanda 20]

DC tells it like it is wrote:

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You took the words straight out of my mouth. "All in the name of God".
This is the number one reason I stay as far away from religion as I can.
Spooky stuff.

What are you fibbing about now moron?

[Observer]

Boring, yawn.

[Joy]

ttf wrote:

God forbid a teenage girl should get married when she is a woman - when she looks like a woman, talks like one, walks like one.
Oh NO.. we cant have that.
Its H O R R I B L E.
basically.. they didnt do anything else wrong.
This whole thing is about a large group of closely knit people SUCCESSFULLY telling this "Government" of ours to F%&* OFF.
Thats what its really about.
Dont buy this crap about how the government cares so much about teen mothers, or who the hell is living with who.
Dont be BRICK STUPID.
it isnt good for you.

Then I am sure they won't mind if the government takes all their welfare checks and contracts away from them?

[ttf]

None wrote:

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You need one. After the appointment with your physco dr. we will all know if you are locked up for your own protection when you are not posting in here anymore.

Another one who doesnt know, commenting anyway as best they can with one of the usual "canned quips" from some place they cant remember.

Dont bark.
Speak, human. Think. Interpret the whole concept, dont just bark at the gun.

[Dad]

None wrote:

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Are you for real? I hadn't heard that. How could anybody be stupid enough to believe that?
I'm not being smart...just asking.

Yes. I saw an interview of one of the ladies.... I also heard Hallerin Hill talking about it on his morning show.

[Mellaman]

I wished I was at that retreat.All those unspoiled young ladies.I would show them a real man.

[Dad]

threeletters wrote:

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I have a copy of the Koran. Do you?
I havent found that.
I also have a copy of the Talmud.
In that, I have found enough to fill up this whole page.
All about killing me and you.
and other assorted directives.
Go find the passages which say what you stated here. Use the internet ones you find. Post them.
Ill look them up.

[KORAN: 47:4-6 (or 47:4-7):- When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters. And afterwards let there either be free dismissals or ransomings....

I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them.(Koran 8:12)....

this is just two.....

[Mellaman]

Leave these men and their wives alone.If it is their religion and its what they want to do leave them be.

[ttf]

(OK - you do realize you are obligated to look at what point you too as well)

Mine qualifies the context as "when in holy battle, or jihad).

So who are the unbelievers?
Surah 14:3
Surah 9:73 thru 78

I dont see where the "unbelkievers" are identified as westerners or chrisatians, so lets look up what it says about them.

On Christians - Surah 2:138 thru 140 doesnt say much
Surah 5:14 says that they had agreement or cointerests with the christians, but christians have lost a good part of christs message or teachings..(that i agree with) and Allah will make it dawn on them their mistake.

and theres one about christians who converted to muslims.. ill skip that...

And then there is 5:82 and 83 saying that (sic)' the furtherest from us (believers) youll find to be the jews and pagans, and the closest to us are those who call themselves Christians)

So, Dad - in a nutshell, they seem to like us best, and do not single us out for wanton destruction. In fact, they feel they are our brothers sortof.(real christians who dont kiss the jew weenie, that is)

Would you like to compare what the Jews say about "harming you and I specifically" or do you still have that link?

Or we can go into what they say about Jesus versus what the Muslim book does.

By the way everyone - you can get Talmuds on Ebay in pdf format for about 30 bucks and you can get Korans at used bookstores for less than 10. Mine is from the 80s and has both texts on the page.

Then YOU TOO can see if WOLF BLITZER is telling you the truth. Heres some eye opening info about Wolfy. Talk about an Israeli agent!!http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Wolf_Blitzer

And his book..haha.. look at the title!
"Territory of Lies: The Rise, Fall, and Betrayal of Jonathan Jay Pollard"

the betrayal.. nopt of the US.. but of Pollard?

Wolf Blitzer is the TIP of the IceBERG.

[ttf]

LASTLY - LETS ESTABLISH WHAT JUDAISMS BOOK OF HIGHEST AUTHORITY IS.

http://espn.go.com/classic/s/merron_on_green....

1934 - jewish baseball start hank greenberg - ballgames fall on holy days, so rabbis consult TALMUD to see if he can. TALMUD CLEARS GREENBERG FOR HOLIDAY PLAY is the headline and the jewish player is deemed eligible to play by multiple rabbis who got together to figure it out.

It didnt say "TORAH or OLD TESTAMENT - it said TALMUD.

SO - I submit that this establishes which book takes precedence in Judaism.. and it IS NOT THE OLD TESTAMENT.

There are other places that say same thing about Talmud precedence, but this fact says it best IMO.

So first and formost - get rid of that myth you have in thinking that Judaism is about the Old Testament.

It is false. Its about the Talmud, and that is the book of Jewish law for Judaism written by the Pharisees. YES - the same Pharisees you might be familiar with.

[Joy]

Mellaman wrote:

Leave these men and their wives alone.If it is their religion and its what they want to do leave them be.

Are you married?
Do you have children?
Are you a member of this cult?

[Dad]

CHRISTIANS DEFINED as INFIDELS: Quran 5:17, 5:72

5:17 - In blasphemy indeed are those that say God is Christ the son of Mary.
5:72 - Infidels now are they who say,'God is the Messiah, Son of Mary.'

I don't think that these would apply to Jewish people....

Don't make assumptions about the Old Testament, on my behalf, either.

My point is not the validity of particular religions, but that outright lies and promoting violence are not part of my views of what is "right"....

[Big TN Man]

We need to leave these poor people alone! Cain't a man be left to rule his family the way he wants? Ladyfolk are put on God's earth to serve the menfolk! My grandaddy in the holler knew how rule his family! Everthing was much better in them old days.

Them women dress the right way, too. God don't like when womenfolk show they ankles.

And whuts wrong with hitchin them younguns early? That way you can git they trainin in early!

[ttf]

Dad wrote:

CHRISTIANS DEFINED as INFIDELS: Quran 5:17, 5:72
5:17 - In blasphemy indeed are those that say God is Christ the son of Mary.
5:72 - Infidels now are they who say,'God is the Messiah, Son of Mary.'
I don't think that these would apply to Jewish people....
Don't make assumptions about the Old Testament, on my behalf, either.
My point is not the validity of particular religions, but that outright lies and promoting violence are not part of my views of what is "right"....

5-17 says its blasphemy to say jesus is god (allah)- it does not call them infidels, or 'unbelievers' which is what your earlier post referenced. So you havent linked "cut their heads off" with christians there.

5-72 same thing "they do blaspheme who say 'allah IS christ..the son of mary....' Then in same verse they remind the reader that Christ said to worship the father.)

SAME ERROR - it does not identify the head chop-ees as being christians.

Now YOU can listen for a GD mninute.
1- I didnt assume anything for you - I showed you evidence of what Judaism regards as highest written authority. I just assume you, or anyone, will look at the fact that it was a national issue, and a national paper asked the local authorities of Judaism to consult their holy books - the TALMUD was those books.. and glean from that exactly what it indicates. Its the damn Talmud. NOT the Old Testament.

2-MY POINT is to educate people, some I care about more than others, of the FACTS of which I have studied for almost a decade - during which time I HAD THE TIME.
know whut I mean?

[ttf]

We can veer off into debating Talmud vs. OT if you like, but if I were you Id try to find where it says "kill the blashpemer", at which point we can say that they do in fact say that people who belive Jesus IS God are supposedly blasphers and therefor muslims are instructed to kill them.

And then I get to unleash a torrent of proof that your buddies who populate that pirate colony in the mideast whom are the subject of THIS censored Fox News broadcast of October 2001, are indeed told to kill, rob, screw-over and enslave YOU and ME.

http://100777.com/node/180
Top video - ignore the other stuff. It takes 20 minutes.

Then we can go into 95% media ownership of all types, media managment population, corporate management, political lobbying, who owns our elected officials etc etc..finally ending up with a true description of what the precious 'new world order' really is.