Texas abortion clinics stay open following ruling

There are 166 comments on the Northern Michigan News story from Oct 29, 2013, titled Texas abortion clinics stay open following ruling. In it, Northern Michigan News reports that:

The only abortion clinic in a 300-mile swath of West Texas can resume taking appointments Tuesday, after a federal judge struck down new restrictions that would have effectively shuttered it and at least a dozen other clinics across the state.

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“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#86 Oct 31, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A State has every right and responsibility to oversee the medical standing and professionalism of its doctors. A Federal Judge stepping in to tell a State it can not require strict professional standards of its doctors is a horrifically unbalanced and biased decision. Requiring a doctor to have a professional relationship with a local hospital so he/she may respond appropriately and timely to a patient's needs from local offices and clinics is a reasonable requirement.
You really want to go down this road, coldweiner?

...I can name at least 12 outpatient procedures which are far more 'unsafe' than legal abortion...
https://www.excellusbcbs.com/wps/wcm/connect/...

Now you can, too.

The only doctors able to perform legal abortions, are qualified obstetricians. Legal abortion is safer than 97% of all outpatient services performed in this country.

"Horrifically unbalanced, and biased," you say?

The PDF with which I provided you, details the risks of each outpatient surgery available in the State of Texas.

Name one other outpatient surgical procedure on this list, the performance of which is being restricted to an ambulatory surgical center.

Plastic surgery? No. Prosthetic preparation? No. Oral surgery? No.

NO OTHER outpatient procedure performed in the state of Texas is required to be performed anywhere other than a sterile facility, with accreditation. None. All other outpatient procedures, may legally be performed in the individual doctor's office. WHETHER OR NOT the Doctor has privileges at the local hospital. ONLY abortion services are being restricted this way.

Seems 'horrifically unbalanced and biased' to me...so you may have a point...too bad it's in favor of my argument...that this is NOT a 'safety' issue for Texas. If it was, m'dear, every outpatient surgery performed would have to follow the same regulation.

Curiously, they don't.

I hear if you put your feet in the air during sex, you're more likely to get pregnant.

Worth a shot - if you're EVER gonna gestate something, you have to get pregnant first...Jus' sayin.'
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#88 Oct 31, 2013
Raviana wrote:
Federal judges have no backbone. They continually fail to take a stand against the most barbaric practice in human history.
We have a panel of Judges in the 5th District, who say the refinement of local board oversight on abortion procedures is not associated to the extremist claim of its only purpose being shutting clinics. The demons of death pontificating about their success here are crushed! The law is reinstated and awaits a full hearing! Meantime, death doctors and death clinics with their mortuary slab, Gosnell chain saw approach to women's and baby's health will have to continue asking for privileges through hospital boards waiting to spit on them and forever marking them as the death camp operators they are.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#89 Oct 31, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>You really want to go down this road, coldweiner?
...I can name at least 12 outpatient procedures which are far more 'unsafe' than legal abortion...
https://www.excellusbcbs.com/wps/wcm/connect/...
Now you can, too.
The only doctors able to perform legal abortions, are qualified obstetricians. Legal abortion is safer than 97% of all outpatient services performed in this country.
"Horrifically unbalanced, and biased," you say?
The PDF with which I provided you, details the risks of each outpatient surgery available in the State of Texas.
Name one other outpatient surgical procedure on this list, the performance of which is being restricted to an ambulatory surgical center.
Plastic surgery? No. Prosthetic preparation? No. Oral surgery? No.
NO OTHER outpatient procedure performed in the state of Texas is required to be performed anywhere other than a sterile facility, with accreditation. None. All other outpatient procedures, may legally be performed in the individual doctor's office. WHETHER OR NOT the Doctor has privileges at the local hospital. ONLY abortion services are being restricted this way.
Seems 'horrifically unbalanced and biased' to me...so you may have a point...too bad it's in favor of my argument...that this is NOT a 'safety' issue for Texas. If it was, m'dear, every outpatient surgery performed would have to follow the same regulation.
Curiously, they don't.
I hear if you put your feet in the air during sex, you're more likely to get pregnant.
Worth a shot - if you're EVER gonna gestate something, you have to get pregnant first...Jus' sayin.'
Your argument falls flat on its face, because none of the other procedures you mention involve the death of a human being. Requiring those performing death procedures, including the torture and dismemberment of a human to make the procedure more efficient for the "doctor", to have admitting privileges so they can deal with their "failures" is apparently relevant medical oversight according the the less biased PANEL of Judges reinstating the law.

Maybe you should change your moniker to "Gosnellbabies."
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#90 Oct 31, 2013
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to disappoint you but I don't use drugs and you are just another retarded self righteous moron! Your posts indicate that you are a drug addled lunatic!! Besides it is futile to have a battle of wits with an unarmed idiot like you!! Take your self righteous phiolsophy and medieval 'religion' and shove it!!
No need to apologize; you're always disappointing me.

Drug pushers will commonly not use themselves, just as pimps will not usually sell themselves.

C'mon... c'mon... you're no dandy! You're just someone, who forced his girls to kill their babies... because you're a prick.
hummmm

Lexington, KY

#91 Nov 1, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh NONSENSE, Trouty. It is hardly "teaching our daughters to be prostitutes and loose women" to inform women that they DON'T have to gestate unwanted pregnancies if they don't want to become mothers. The repressive, 19th century "cult of true womanhood" idiocy is long gone (thank goodness), and EACH woman gets to decide for HERSELF when and IF she wants to get married or to become a mother.

Thanks to the wonderful birth control called The Pill, women don't have to worry about unwanted pregnancy as much as they used to, but even that form of contraception isn't 100% guaranteed. If a woman's BC fails, it is still HER decision what she will do about a pregnancy. What part of "not YOUR pregnancy, not your decision" is too hard for you to understand?

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
OH NONSENSE Ocean, teach your daughters if they don't want to have an unwanted pregnancies, don't have sex, UNDERSTAND? This ball swings both ways my friend. Anyone ever heard of a condom?

“Just here to put in my 2c”

Since: May 12

Texarkana

#92 Nov 1, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>Here's the thing, Trouty; YOU don't get to decide what reasons are "acceptable" for a woman to abort an unwanted pregnancy. EACH woman gets to make the choice of whether to continue a pregnancy -- or not -- for HERSELF. Your permission or approval isn't required or needed for her to make that decision.

That applies to anti-choice women as well. They don't make my sexual and reproductive decisions for me either. For anti-choice extremists like yourself, that's gotta burn. Too bad.
There is a birth control that is 100% effective it's called if your not ready to have a kid don't have sex. Not having sex eliminates the possibility of getting pregnant 100%. If you are a rape victim
that is different. These girls now days are hoe'ish which is on the parents to for not putting them on birth controll but like they say the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree.
Ocean56

AOL

#93 Nov 1, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
The laxity of morals, encouragement to ignorance and absolutist arrogance you killers practice hasn't taught young women anything but slovenliness and stupidity. You attempt to pander this nonsense about the Pill, as if failure of the Pill accounts for 57 Million dead. Your arguments show only you dishonesty and your dishonesty is to protect a valueless and rotten attitude toward life itself.
Any couple showing just a modicum of attention and self control will never have to face an unwanted pregnancy. Your abortion is used almost solely for birth control and continuing a completely dumbed-down female population.
Following ONLY the system of self control established long ago by intelligent women, that of counting days and establishing fertile periods, will give better control of pregnancies than your systems have accomplished. EVERYTHING about your attitudes, lack of education, bad information, rejection of morality, slovenly approaches to personal care, lack of self control, promotion of killing innocent life for convenience and lust ONLY... all of your self-validating, delusional assertions of anything you've ever said to rationalize your legalized murder... IS PROVEN INEFFECTIVE and WRONG. You teach daughters to be idiots. Your results are 57 Million innocents dead. Those implementing restrictions on your stupid behaviors will always encourage age old wisdom and longevity.
You can rant on ad nauseum all you want, Trouty. It doesn't make any difference to me. It's obvious to me that what right-wing extremists want is for women to have only TWO choices; pregnancy or celibacy. That's certainly the way conservative extremists want things to be in Texas, judging from the BACKWARD decision reached last night.

I just feel sorry for all the women in Texas who are now stuck in a state where its legislature treats them like second-class citizens who aren't allowed to make their OWN sexual and reproductive decisions. I'm also very grateful I DON'T live there or in any of the other "deep South" states.
Ocean56

AOL

#94 Nov 1, 2013
hummmm wrote:
OH NONSENSE Ocean, teach your daughters if they don't want to have an unwanted pregnancies, don't have sex, UNDERSTAND? This ball swings both ways my friend. Anyone ever heard of a condom?
In other words, goofy, you only want women to have TWO choices; pregnancy or celibacy. Meaning if a woman doesn't ever want pregnancy or children, she "should," in your narrow-minded view, to be punished with lifetime celibacy. Got it.@@
hummmm

Lexington, KY

#95 Nov 1, 2013
dontheoutlaw64 wrote:
<quoted text>There is a birth control that is 100% effective it's called if your not ready to have a kid don't have sex. Not having sex eliminates the possibility of getting pregnant 100%. If you are a rape victim
that is different. These girls now days are hoe'ish which is on the parents to for not putting them on birth controll but like they say the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree.
I agree with you. People want to say its your choice. Most young girls aren't even old enough to say yes to boys with out it being rape but they are mature enough to say yes to abortion. Shouldn't be having sex in the first place.
hummmm

Lexington, KY

#96 Nov 1, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, goofy, you only want women to have TWO choices; pregnancy or celibacy. Meaning if a woman doesn't ever want pregnancy or children, she "should," in your narrow-minded view, to be punished with lifetime celibacy. Got it.@@
No, but I see your name calling shows your maturity level so why bother discussing an opinion because obviously you are the only one allowed one. So have fun with that.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#97 Nov 1, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
The laxity of morals, encouragement to ignorance and absolutist arrogance you killers practice hasn't taught young women anything but slovenliness and stupidity. You attempt to pander this nonsense about the Pill, as if failure of the Pill accounts for 57 Million dead. Your arguments show only you dishonesty and your dishonesty is to protect a valueless and rotten attitude toward life itself.
Any couple showing just a modicum of attention and self control will never have to face an unwanted pregnancy. Your abortion is used almost solely for birth control and continuing a completely dumbed-down female population.
Following ONLY the system of self control established long ago by intelligent women, that of counting days and establishing fertile periods, will give better control of pregnancies than your systems have accomplished. EVERYTHING about your attitudes, lack of education, bad information, rejection of morality, slovenly approaches to personal care, lack of self control, promotion of killing innocent life for convenience and lust ONLY... all of your self-validating, delusional assertions of anything you've ever said to rationalize your legalized murder... IS PROVEN INEFFECTIVE and WRONG. You teach daughters to be idiots. Your results are 57 Million innocents dead. Those implementing restrictions on your stupid behaviors will always encourage age old wisdom and longevity.
Another moral authority who believes they can sum up every women/girls situation as though she were some robotic incubator under the authority of a male misogynistic god.

I notice the reference to "long ago" indicating a disdain for BC. Intelligent women decide their reproductive circumstances not some phallic worshipping peon who is slave to a money mongering misogynistic institution.

How many pregnancies have you carried that allows you any authority on the subject?
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#98 Nov 1, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can rant on ad nauseum all you want, Trouty. It doesn't make any difference to me. It's obvious to me that what right-wing extremists want is for women to have only TWO choices; pregnancy or celibacy. That's certainly the way conservative extremists want things to be in Texas, judging from the BACKWARD decision reached last night.
I just feel sorry for all the women in Texas who are now stuck in a state where its legislature treats them like second-class citizens who aren't allowed to make their OWN sexual and reproductive decisions. I'm also very grateful I DON'T live there or in any of the other "deep South" states.
This is the second time your irrationality and falsehoods shows themselves clearly. You want people to believe that down through history, women have only had the choice between pregnancy and celibacy. According to your nonsense, not until your "right to dismember babies in the womb" came about, did women suddenly have any other rights.

It's not only nonsense, it's insane.

As to the decision by the PANEL of Judges on the 5th Circuit, their agreement with everything I've taught you is recognizing a need to control your most vicious doctors. Why you'd want them operative is highly suspect.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#99 Nov 1, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Murderous blather.
The segment of the law effected by the Judge in Texas had ONLY to do with arranging professional facility board managed oversight of traveling doctors so that the Gosnell types would not operate in Texas. All the arguments and assertions here are designed to hide that fact and allow the continued degradation of women and babies through less oversight of your dens of death.
Abortion is being used as eugenics policy nationally and internationally. There are more effective, humane ways of uplifting the ignorance and viciousness your type policies and extreme lack of self-control have fostered. Your acceptance of policies designed to wipe out huge numbers of people and then whine because there aren't enough people to pay for your freeloading and continued ignorance is suicidal.
Misogynistic blather.

Abortion is being used by women/girls in various circumstances including rape and health and those who SIMPLY do not wish to gestate do to their OWN reasons.

Please quit pretending that you are in any way concerned about women/girls, the only concern you have is that they ignore your self importance and superiority complex issued to you by a misogynistic male phallic worshipping religion. You know longer get to dictate to women, get over it.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#100 Nov 1, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Your argument falls flat on its face, because none of the other procedures you mention involve the death of a human being.
AND now, when cornered, FINALLY drops the pretend concern for women/girls that it has been pimping in every post thinking we will not notice the true intent!!

LOL!

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#101 Nov 1, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the second time your irrationality and falsehoods shows themselves clearly. You want people to believe that down through history, women have only had the choice between pregnancy and celibacy. According to your nonsense, not until your "right to dismember babies in the womb" came about, did women suddenly have any other rights.
It's not only nonsense, it's insane.
As to the decision by the PANEL of Judges on the 5th Circuit, their agreement with everything I've taught you is recognizing a need to control your most vicious doctors. Why you'd want them operative is highly suspect.
Spare us. You have zero concern for women/girls. You have displayed you dislike, distrust, and demeaning opinion of them in every post you pimp. Only dumb women would not notice, and there are only a few of them here who believe the same religious based nonsense as you.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#102 Nov 1, 2013
dontheoutlaw64 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a birth control that is 100% effective it's called if your not ready to have a kid don't have sex. Not having sex eliminates the possibility of getting pregnant 100%. If you are a rape victim
that is different. These girls now days are hoe'ish which is on the parents to for not putting them on birth controll but like they say the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree.
You mean the way hoe'ish men/boys have acted since the dawn of time? Why not preach to them to clean up their act, wrap their weiny in a condom and get back to us with your success rate? I love the "we will get women/girls under control" but boys will be boys thinking. Bring it on.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#103 Nov 1, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Another moral authority who believes they can sum up every women/girls situation as though she were some robotic incubator under the authority of a male misogynistic god.
I notice the reference to "long ago" indicating a disdain for BC. Intelligent women decide their reproductive circumstances not some phallic worshipping peon who is slave to a money mongering misogynistic institution.
How many pregnancies have you carried that allows you any authority on the subject?
That is so special. If you want to spend your time on here exhibiting your status as a slit licking, man hating Marxist, who if allowed anywhere near a man would be another Gosnell with a refined anger toward penises... it only shows you support abortion to get next to young women to molest them.

It is indeed special, like listening to the man hater, who killed Andy Warhol.

The fact remains, slitlicker... no babies in the womb would have to be killed if you and others hadn't taught our daughters to be stupid and ignorant of even Mother Nature.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#104 Nov 1, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Spare us. You have zero concern for women/girls. You have displayed you dislike, distrust, and demeaning opinion of them in every post you pimp. Only dumb women would not notice, and there are only a few of them here who believe the same religious based nonsense as you.
You use this nasty anger specifically to gather young girls to molest. You know the anger and irrationality resonates with young girls and that you can open you house to them as a "sanctuary" from their families. You destroy families and trust and traditional values because it allows you an open field of Marcusean assaults on young women. That is the only reason you've developed your sexual rhetoric. The only ones vulnerable to it are young teenagers. You have destroyed your own ability to rationality with dope and validate it by blaming males as responsible for any rationality whatsoever.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#105 Nov 1, 2013
You anti abortionists really need to get a grip - try thinking how the women involved feel rather than just your own selfish & ill thought out principles
Dan

Omaha, NE

#106 Nov 1, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Gosnell flourished because he offered services to women whose options had become more and more limited during the course of their pregnancies. If they'd had access to clean, safe, and reputable clinics, rather than being shunted across state lines, and made to deal with 'waiting periods', they would have had their abortions sooner, medically, and without risk of death.
But of course, you already knew that....
These women couldn't have gone anywhere but to Gosnell? Really?

Everyone refused them prior?

I'd love to see some citations on that.

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