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Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

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Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ...

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Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72374 Oct 10, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Can you honestly say that what happened in Egypt was not a coup? Because if the military arresting the sitting president and his administration one year into their term isn't a coup, then not only is he a Kenyan Muslim but Obama's a treaty violator too. On the other hand, since it's an explicit violation of US law to fund a junta that's overthrown a democratically elected government, at least he's not a criminal.
I've seen reports of funding, not funding, funding, not funding...attributed to different state department spokespersons and they were all dated today. I can wait until tomorrow to form an opinion.
If the majority of people in this country supported a takeover of the Government because of policies NOT favored by the majority of dissatisfied citizens who thought they were getting a good deal, I would support it. When the free cell phones run out and the entitlements exceed the input of working Americans, we should have the balls of the Military in Eygpt to take charge of the country. Not just roll over and say elections were the way. They are not. People like you can justify Government abuse and make excuses by blaming it on "Democracy". BS. There comnes a time when enough is enough. Let this f cking media form your opinions. Ignore the gut.

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#72375 Oct 10, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>I know exactly what you mean, look how quiet it's been around here lately. And it's not just here...all the comments on all the stories dealing with the Arab Spring countries show signs of apathy. It's as though the sticker shock has worn off and everyone is just over-saturated. Know what it means when fifty people die in clashes in Egypt? It's Monday.
Yep. No more spring, just a bunch of power hungry generals manipulating a credulous population.

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#72376 Oct 10, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Can you honestly say that what happened in Egypt was not a coup? Because if the military arresting the sitting president and his administration one year into their term isn't a coup, then not only is he a Kenyan Muslim but Obama's a treaty violator too. On the other hand, since it's an explicit violation of US law to fund a junta that's overthrown a democratically elected government, at least he's not a criminal.
I've seen reports of funding, not funding, funding, not funding...attributed to different state department spokespersons and they were all dated today. I can wait until tomorrow to form an opinion.
I respect your stance on this issue.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72377 Oct 10, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
If the majority of people in this country supported a takeover of the Government because of policies NOT favored by the majority of dissatisfied citizens who thought they were getting a good deal, I would support it. When the free cell phones run out and the entitlements exceed the input of working Americans, we should have the balls of the Military in Eygpt to take charge of the country. Not just roll over and say elections were the way. They are not. People like you can justify Government abuse and make excuses by blaming it on "Democracy". BS. There comnes a time when enough is enough. Let this f cking media form your opinions. Ignore the gut.
It's less gut or media and more law of the land.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72378 Oct 10, 2013
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text> Yep. No more spring, just a bunch of power hungry generals manipulating a credulous population.
I don't know how far things would have slid if el-Sisi hadn't clamped down on the Islamists but Egypt was clearly going down the toilet and it was accelerating. Since democracy and Sharia can't coexist and since there seemed to be just as many against as for Islamic rule, the general might one day be recognized as the man who kept Egypt from tearing it's own guts out.

In all likelihood Egypt will get their aid. It won't take much to show that the country is on the path to new elections now that the MB has been suppressed.

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#72379 Oct 10, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know how far things would have slid if el-Sisi hadn't clamped down on the Islamists but Egypt was clearly going down the toilet and it was accelerating. Since democracy and Sharia can't coexist and since there seemed to be just as many against as for Islamic rule, the general might one day be recognized as the man who kept Egypt from tearing it's own guts out.
In all likelihood Egypt will get their aid. It won't take much to show that the country is on the path to new elections now that the MB has been suppressed.
The coup made it worse. Before the coup you didn't have Egyptian soldiers dying by the dozens every other day. It's going to get worse once Sisi declares he's running for president. The man thinks he's the next Jamal Abdulnasser.
I'm just curious to see how the leftists are going to react when this megalomaniac becomes president.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72380 Oct 11, 2013
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text> The coup made it worse. Before the coup you didn't have Egyptian soldiers dying by the dozens every other day. It's going to get worse once Sisi declares he's running for president. The man thinks he's the next Jamal Abdulnasser.
I'm just curious to see how the leftists are going to react when this megalomaniac becomes president.
That's what soldiers do. Somebody has to keep the animals at bay. Not to worry. When they can't kill soldiers they'll just start killing their own. Just look around. It's in their genes to blow sh!t up and murder their brethren.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72381 Oct 11, 2013
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text> The coup made it worse. Before the coup you didn't have Egyptian soldiers dying by the dozens every other day. It's going to get worse once Sisi declares he's running for president. The man thinks he's the next Jamal Abdulnasser.
I'm just curious to see how the leftists are going to react when this megalomaniac becomes president.
Leftists? There's Leftists?

It seems to me there was a slow anarchist slide going on when the army put their foot down. The administration was following the Turkish model and eradicating the military leadership, hoping to install generals sympathetic to the regime. Too bad their hand-picked replacement for Tantawi was more about Egypt than he was about Allah.

As a general rule, the side with the Air Force, artillery, infantry and Navy will usually beat the side with the political placards and posters. Mind you, it's not cast in stone but no matter who's running things, the Palestinians in Gaza always seem to get the hose.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72382 Oct 11, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>It's less gut or media and more law of the land.
Then it's a good thing that Egypt didn't follow the "Law of the Land". I'm loving it. You guys make the word "coup" sound like a bad thing. You and I know that anything that stems this sickness called Islam is a good thing. JMHO.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72383 Oct 11, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Then it's a good thing that Egypt didn't follow the "Law of the Land". I'm loving it. You guys make the word "coup" sound like a bad thing. You and I know that anything that stems this sickness called Islam is a good thing. JMHO.
Sorry, I don't mean it's a bad thing per se. I mean that we have laws that specifically prohibit our supporting a regime that holds power via a coup. I didn't make it up, didn't vote for it, I just live with it. It becomes harder to hold yourself out as a beacon of democracy when you fund violent regime change under the table.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72384 Oct 11, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, I don't mean it's a bad thing per se. I mean that we have laws that specifically prohibit our supporting a regime that holds power via a coup. I didn't make it up, didn't vote for it, I just live with it. It becomes harder to hold yourself out as a beacon of democracy when you fund violent regime change under the table.
It was a coup that removed Mubarak from office. No screaming from the Administration about withholding aid then. In fact, Sambama praised the military for conducting themselves admirably. Funny how stuff changes when it doesn't suit your particular bias.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72385 Oct 11, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a coup that removed Mubarak from office. No screaming from the Administration about withholding aid then. In fact, Sambama praised the military for conducting themselves admirably. Funny how stuff changes when it doesn't suit your particular bias.
Oh, it's a coup now? Are you sure it wasn't just the Egyptian version of peaceful regime change?

That's been the essence of the argument...whether or not you can call it a coup. We've been dancing around the issue as long as we could but you can only delay the inevitable, not prevent it. If the coup fits...cut off aid. Simple. What's not so simple is what happens when we violate VOP's rule about Stanley tape measures in the middle east.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72386 Oct 11, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, it's a coup now? Are you sure it wasn't just the Egyptian version of peaceful regime change?
That's been the essence of the argument...whether or not you can call it a coup. We've been dancing around the issue as long as we could but you can only delay the inevitable, not prevent it. If the coup fits...cut off aid. Simple. What's not so simple is what happens when we violate VOP's rule about Stanley tape measures in the middle east.
Some people say toe-motto and other say toe-may-toe. Let's call it a Democratic Coup. LOL

>On February 11, 2011, the Egyptian Armed Forces seized power from
President Hosni Mubarak in a coup d’ &#769;etat. The coup was staged in response to determined protests over eighteen days by hundreds of thousands of Egyptians demanding the ouster of the autocratic and corrupt Mubarak regime and its replacement with democracy. The demonstrations were largely non-ideological and the protestors hailed from all facets of Egyptian society.

Women and men, Muslims and Christians, secularists and Islamists, the poor and the wealthy all joined hands in the aptly named al-Tahrir, or Liberation Square, in a call for freedom and democracy after decades of rule by dictators.

That call was answered, not by a foreign power, but by the country’s own military, which seized power from Mubarak and assumed control of the government.

President Barack Obama heaped praise on the Egyptian military
for "serv[ing] patriotically and responsibly as a caretaker to the state" and expressed his confidence that the military would "ensure a transition that is credible in the eyes of the Egyptian people."<

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#72387 Oct 11, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
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You don't like Blondes? Chef likes Yaks. Ya never know. LOL
Sure, I like Blondes but I don't want to -- never mind. You have a Blonde wig this Halloween or are you using last year's? ark ark

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#72388 Oct 11, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
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Personally? I was virgin until I had the procedure. Who wants a dog's dik? Arf Arf.
I have a bridge that's for sale! Interested? bow wow

Yumpin Yimminy

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Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72389 Oct 11, 2013
Cheftell wrote:
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I have a bridge that's for sale! Interested? bow wow
Check your PM for an explanation, Yak Lover.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72390 Oct 11, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people say toe-motto and other say toe-may-toe. Let's call it a Democratic Coup. LOL
>On February 11, 2011, the Egyptian Armed Forces seized power from
President Hosni Mubarak in a coup d’ &#769;etat. The coup was staged in response to determined protests over eighteen days by hundreds of thousands of Egyptians demanding the ouster of the autocratic and corrupt Mubarak regime and its replacement with democracy. The demonstrations were largely non-ideological and the protestors hailed from all facets of Egyptian society.
Women and men, Muslims and Christians, secularists and Islamists, the poor and the wealthy all joined hands in the aptly named al-Tahrir, or Liberation Square, in a call for freedom and democracy after decades of rule by dictators.
That call was answered, not by a foreign power, but by the country’s own military, which seized power from Mubarak and assumed control of the government.
President Barack Obama heaped praise on the Egyptian military
for "serv[ing] patriotically and responsibly as a caretaker to the state" and expressed his confidence that the military would "ensure a transition that is credible in the eyes of the Egyptian people."<
http://www.harvardilj.org/wp-content/uploads/...
I just thought he had run up against a term limit after 30 years in office, you mean it was a coup?

The military that seized power from Morsi is headed by Morsi's own choice to succeed the Field Marshall who tanked Mubarak. There's still a grey area where the Army has a responsibility to maintain order during the run-up to elections. The operative question is how long it will take to get there.

Yumpin Yimminy

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#72392 Oct 11, 2013
Report: 12 dead, 116 rescued after boat capsizes off Egypt

Twelve people were dead and 116 people were rescued after a boat carrying migrants capsized in the Mediterranean Sea off the Egyptian port city of Alexandria on Friday, Egypt's state-run newspaper Al-Ahram reported.

The people aboard the boat were mostly Syrian and Palestinian "illegal immigrants," the paper reported.

Those who were rescued -- 40 Syrians, 72 Palestinians and four Egyptians -- were taken to a naval base, where they will be euthanized, Al-Ahram reported.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#72393 Oct 11, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
Report: 12 dead, 116 rescued after boat capsizes off Egypt
Twelve people were dead and 116 people were rescued after a boat carrying migrants capsized in the Mediterranean Sea off the Egyptian port city of Alexandria on Friday, Egypt's state-run newspaper Al-Ahram reported.
The people aboard the boat were mostly Syrian and Palestinian "illegal immigrants," the paper reported.
Those who were rescued -- 40 Syrians, 72 Palestinians and four Egyptians -- were taken to a naval base, where they will be euthanized, Al-Ahram reported.
It must be Friday.
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#72394 Oct 12, 2013
Saudi cleric says women who drive risk damaging their ovaries.

http://news.yahoo.com/top-saudi-cleric-says-w...

A Saudi woman gets out of a car after being given a ride by her driver in Riyadh, on May 26, 2011. Saudi women activists have called for a new day of defiance next month of the long-standing ban on women driving in the ultra-conservative kingdom.(AFP Photo/Fayez Nureldine)

RIYADH (Reuters)- A conservative Saudi Arabian cleric has said women who drive risk damaging their ovaries and bearing children with clinical problems, countering activists who are trying to end the Islamic kingdom's male-only driving rules.

A campaign calling for women to defy the ban in a protest drive on October 26 has spread rapidly online over the past week and gained support from some prominent women activists. On Sunday, the campaign's website was blocked inside the kingdom.

In an interview published on Friday on the website sabq.org , Sheikh Saleh bin Saad al-Lohaidan said women aiming to overturn the ban on driving should put "reason ahead of their hearts, emotions and passions".

Reuters earlier wrongly identified him as Sheikh Saleh bin Mohammed al-Lohaidan, a member of the Senior Council of Scholars, one of the top religious bodies in the birthplace of Islam.

By contrast, Sheikh Saleh bin Saad al-Lohaidan, the person quoted in the sabq.org report, is a judicial adviser to an association of Gulf psychologists.

His comments reflect the extent of opposition to women driving among some conservatives in Saudi Arabia.

"If a woman drives a car, not out of pure necessity, that could have negative physiological impacts as functional and physiological medical studies show that it automatically affects the ovaries and pushes the pelvis upwards," he told Sabq.

"That is why we find those who regularly drive have children with clinical problems of varying degrees," he said.

He did not cite specific medical studies to support his arguments.

The ban on women driving is not backed by a specific law, but only men are granted driving licenses. Women can be fined for driving without a license but have also been detained and put on trial in the past on charges of political protest.

Sheikh Abdulatif Al al-Sheikh, the head of the morality police, told Reuters a week ago that there was no text in the documents making up sharia, or Islamic law, that barred women from driving.

King Abdullah has pushed some cautious reforms aimed at expanding women's freedoms in Saudi Arabia, including opening more employment opportunities for them, but he has not addressed the issue of driving.

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