Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ... Full Story

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#69833 May 23, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you believe that they knew about this sick fcuk ahead of time? I would have had his balck ass in custody eating beans until his diaper couldn't handle anymore and let him starve. We, and the Brits, are stupid Muther fcukers.
Have you ever flown into Minneapolis and caught a cab downtown? I believe it, it's like Somalia.

Hey, guess who else will be talking out of the other side of their mouth (now that the shoe's on the other foot)?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-to-bu...
Gray

Powhatan, VA

#69835 May 23, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Any guesses as to which Southern Belle is getting off with the judgie thang? It is a lot easier than actually saying anythang and getting hit on that empty skull with a stick. One may suspect that those cooch aesthetic courses are not going well.
You girls really need to get a room; that poor gossip fence is about to die of boredom!

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#69836 May 24, 2013
Gray wrote:
<quoted text>
You girls really need to get a room; that poor gossip fence is about to die of boredom!
Oh Look. A record for the shortest Gaye post. We have to be doing something right. Hang in there, Old Man. I'm sure it will pass.

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#69837 May 24, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever flown into Minneapolis and caught a cab downtown? I believe it, it's like Somalia.
Hey, guess who else will be talking out of the other side of their mouth (now that the shoe's on the other foot)?
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-to-bu...
Amazing, ain't it? Nothing smacks of the old double standard LESS than this. Turks are jerks, but where's the outcry? Sorry, but they're all in the "J" locker. LOL
Henry

Las Vegas, NV

#69838 May 24, 2013
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
An explosive is an explosive. While yes, I believe in Israel's right to exist, AND it's right to defend itself I always get a kick out of people who try to whitewash the difference between Palestinian rockets and Israeli missiles and bombs. You try to spin it as though just because Israeli missiles and bombs are guided that they are somehow less indescriminate. We are talking about explosives here, BOTH sides here have used them "indescriminately".
That's war. In short, when hostilities start, it tends to get ugly. If Mexicans from mexico were to fire rockets into San Diego, which was won in a war by the USA, what do you think the US is going to do? Just saying.

Israel is a tiny country surrounded by enemies sworn to Israel's destruction. Israel does hit hard. It has to. The attack in London is an example of radical islamic fanatics hell bent on killing westerners.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#69839 May 24, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Amazing, ain't it? Nothing smacks of the old double standard LESS than this. Turks are jerks, but where's the outcry? Sorry, but they're all in the "J" locker. LOL
Funny, isn't it? They fought with their Kurdish minority for three decades and never felt the need to wall off the Iraqi border, even though the rebels danced back and forth across that line spreading mayhem. Now, all of a sudden the Syrian problem can actually (in their minds) be treated by putting up a fence. I can only deduce from this that the multiple jet shoot-downs and hundreds of thousands of refugees were tolerable until the IEDs and car bombs came along. Welcome to the party, pal.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#69840 May 24, 2013
John Kerry is pushing to restart the Arab-Israeli peace process but his only tool is the insistence that both parties need to be willing to make tough choices.

Why?

Why not settle it this way?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#69841 May 24, 2013
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, isn't it? They fought with their Kurdish minority for three decades and never felt the need to wall off the Iraqi border, even though the rebels danced back and forth across that line spreading mayhem. Now, all of a sudden the Syrian problem can actually (in their minds) be treated by putting up a fence. I can only deduce from this that the multiple jet shoot-downs and hundreds of thousands of refugees were tolerable until the IEDs and car bombs came along. Welcome to the party, pal.
Welcome to the party, Pal? How many times have you seen this, Old fart? 25 for me. LOL

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/02/17/top-25-a...
suzu

Southbury, CT

#69842 May 24, 2013
Israel’s Hand in Guatemala’s Genocide. May 23, 2013 By Robert Parry

The Guatemalan genocide of the 1980s does not just implicate President Ronald Reagan and his senior aides but the Israeli government which secretly supplied helicopters, guns and computers that were used to hunt down and exterminate Ixil Indians and other perceived enemies of the state

At the height of Guatemala’s mass slaughters in the 1980s, including genocide against the Ixil Indians, the Reagan administration worked with Israeli officials to provide helicopters that the Guatemalan army used to hunt down fleeing villagers, according to documentary and eyewitness evidence.

During testimony at the recent genocide trial of former Guatemalan dictator Efrain Rios Montt, one surprise was how often massacre survivors cited the Army’s use of helicopters in the scorched-earth offensives.

Journalist Allan Nairn, who covered the war in Guatemala and attended the Rios Montt trial, said in an interview,“one interesting thing that came out in the trial, as witness after witness testified, was a very substantial number of them talked about fleeing into the mountains and being bombed, attacked and machine gunned from U.S. planes and helicopters.

“At the time this was going on, I was aware this was happening in some cases, but from the testimony of the witnesses, it sounded like these attacks from U.S. planes and helicopters were more frequent than we realized at the time. That’s an example of how we don’t know the whole story yet – how extensive the U.S. complicity was in these crimes.”

Pary of the mystery was where did Guatemala’s UH-1H “Huey” helicopters come from, since the U.S. Congress continued to resist military sales to Guatemala because of its wretched human rights record. The answer appears to be that some helicopters were arranged secretly by President Ronald Reagan’s National Security Council staff through Israeli intelligence networks.

Rios Montt began pressing the United States for 10 UH-1H helicopters in June 1983, as his military campaign was ramping up. Since Guatemala lacked the U.S. Foreign Military Sales credits or the cash to buy the helicopters, Reagan’s national security team looked for unconventional ways to arrange the delivery of the equipment.

On Aug. 1, 1983, NSC aides Oliver North and Alfonso Sapia-Bosch reported to National Security Advisor William P. Clark that his deputy Robert “Bud” McFarlane was planning to exploit his Israeli channels to secure the helicopters for Guatemala, according to a document that I discovered at Reagan’s presidential library.

suzu

Southbury, CT

#69843 May 24, 2013
but of course it is not barbaric to kill guatemalan natives.
suzu

Southbury, CT

#69844 May 24, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
That's war. In short, when hostilities start, it tends to get ugly. If Mexicans from mexico were to fire rockets into San Diego, which was won in a war by the USA, what do you think the US is going to do? Just saying.
Israel is a tiny country surrounded by enemies sworn to Israel's destruction. Israel does hit hard. It has to. The attack in London is an example of radical islamic fanatics hell bent on killing westerners.
yes, poor tiny country surrounded by enemies but has enough resources to go terrorize guatemalans, 1000's of miles away
strange isn't it what a poor tiny country is capable of.
suzu

Southbury, CT

#69845 May 24, 2013
gotta feel sorry for poor tiny country surrounded by enemies
suzu

Southbury, CT

#69846 May 24, 2013
In an interview on Thursday, Ben-Menashe said the Israelis supplied a total of six helicopters to the Guatemalans along with computers and software to keep track of alleged subversives who could then be identified and executed. Ben-Menashe said he learned of the mass slaughters during his travels to Guatemala and reported back to his Israeli superiors about the atrocities involving the equipment that they had authorized. The response, he said, was concern but inaction.



“They weren’t for killing these people, not at all,” Ben-Menashe said.“But they thought their interest was to help the Reagan people. If the Reagan people wanted it [the equipment sent to Guatemala], they would do it.[They thought,]‘this is bad, but is it any of our business? Our American friends are asking for our help, so we should help them.’”

After our phone interview had ended, Ben-Menashe called me back to stress that the Israelis were unaware of the genocidal nature of the Guatemalan military campaigns

just mass murders, not genocide!! cute explanation of how israelis are not guilty, but still and always the victims
suzu

Southbury, CT

#69847 May 24, 2013
wondering how adopted girl likes this story. it could have been her relatives that the israeli helicopters helped to mass murder.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#69848 May 24, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Welcome to the party, Pal? How many times have you seen this, Old fart? 25 for me. LOL
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/02/17/top-25-a...
It never gets old.

Ever wonder how far the drone force will expand?

http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-02-13/openingr...
suzu

Southbury, CT

#69849 May 24, 2013
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
That video excerpt shows how hopeless it is to deal with this garbage. He looked like he just killed a goat for supper. Islam always justifies murder. You are 100% right on your assessment of these animals. I tried real hard to see something of value to this species. Nothing. Only Nazi Gray can see any redeeming features, but it's always at the expense of Israeli's. So he/she don't count. Stories like these are not made up. Stay alert. Looking like Syria is ready to test the waters of war, again. The bright side? You don't have to go into Lebanon to find the rats of Hezbollah.
yes, compare this to the high civilization of US-israel

Death Lists

From first-hand reporting in Guatemala, journalist Nairn also observed the security advantages gained from detailed death lists. Nairn said soldiers under Gen. Otto Perez Molina, the current president,“described how they would go into town armed with death lists provided them by G2 military intelligence, death lists of people who were suspected of being collaborators of the guerrillas or critics of the army.

“They told how they would strangle people with lassos, slit women open with machetes, shoot people in the head in front of the neighbors, use U.S. planes, helicopters and 50 gram bombs to attack people if they fled into the hills.”

Nairn said,“The U.S. had also arranged for Israel to step in and become the principal supplier of hardware to the Guatemalan army, in particular assault rifles, the Galil automatic rifle. This was because the administration was running into problems with Congress, which wouldn’t go along with a lot of their plans to aid the Guatemalan military, so they did an end run by using the government of Israel.”

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#69850 May 24, 2013
suzu wrote:
Israel’s Hand in Guatemala’s Genocide. May 23, 2013 By Robert Parry
The Guatemalan genocide of the 1980s does not just implicate President Ronald Reagan and his senior aides but the Israeli government which secretly supplied helicopters, guns and computers that were used to hunt down and exterminate Ixil Indians and other perceived enemies of the state
At the height of Guatemala’s mass slaughters in the 1980s, including genocide against the Ixil Indians, the Reagan administration worked with Israeli officials to provide helicopters that the Guatemalan army used to hunt down fleeing villagers, according to documentary and eyewitness evidence.
During testimony at the recent genocide trial of former Guatemalan dictator Efrain Rios Montt, one surprise was how often massacre survivors cited the Army’s use of helicopters in the scorched-earth offensives.
Journalist Allan Nairn, who covered the war in Guatemala and attended the Rios Montt trial, said in an interview,“one interesting thing that came out in the trial, as witness after witness testified, was a very substantial number of them talked about fleeing into the mountains and being bombed, attacked and machine gunned from U.S. planes and helicopters.
“At the time this was going on, I was aware this was happening in some cases, but from the testimony of the witnesses, it sounded like these attacks from U.S. planes and helicopters were more frequent than we realized at the time. That’s an example of how we don’t know the whole story yet – how extensive the U.S. complicity was in these crimes.”
Pary of the mystery was where did Guatemala’s UH-1H “Huey” helicopters come from, since the U.S. Congress continued to resist military sales to Guatemala because of its wretched human rights record. The answer appears to be that some helicopters were arranged secretly by President Ronald Reagan’s National Security Council staff through Israeli intelligence networks.
Rios Montt began pressing the United States for 10 UH-1H helicopters in June 1983, as his military campaign was ramping up. Since Guatemala lacked the U.S. Foreign Military Sales credits or the cash to buy the helicopters, Reagan’s national security team looked for unconventional ways to arrange the delivery of the equipment.
On Aug. 1, 1983, NSC aides Oliver North and Alfonso Sapia-Bosch reported to National Security Advisor William P. Clark that his deputy Robert “Bud” McFarlane was planning to exploit his Israeli channels to secure the helicopters for Guatemala, according to a document that I discovered at Reagan’s presidential library.
Boo fcuking Hoo, Tubby

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#69851 May 24, 2013
suzu wrote:
<quoted text>
yes, compare this to the high civilization of US-israel
Death Lists
From first-hand reporting in Guatemala, journalist Nairn also observed the security advantages gained from detailed death lists. Nairn said soldiers under Gen. Otto Perez Molina, the current president,“described how they would go into town armed with death lists provided them by G2 military intelligence, death lists of people who were suspected of being collaborators of the guerrillas or critics of the army.
“They told how they would strangle people with lassos, slit women open with machetes, shoot people in the head in front of the neighbors, use U.S. planes, helicopters and 50 gram bombs to attack people if they fled into the hills.”
Nairn said,“The U.S. had also arranged for Israel to step in and become the principal supplier of hardware to the Guatemalan army, in particular assault rifles, the Galil automatic rifle. This was because the administration was running into problems with Congress, which wouldn’t go along with a lot of their plans to aid the Guatemalan military, so they did an end run by using the government of Israel.”
Crawl back in your hole, Fatbody.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#69852 May 24, 2013
suzu wrote:
but of course it is not barbaric to kill guatemalan natives.
Nothing can distract from the brutal murder of Muslims by Muslims

State forces and militias loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad stormed the coastal village of Baida on Thursday, killing at least 50 people including women and children, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

The pro-opposition monitoring group said the final death toll was likely to exceed 100. Many of those killed appeared to have been executed by shooting or stabbing, it said, and other bodies were found burned.

Photos and videos are emerging from Syria of dozens of innocent men, women and children brutally murdered by Syrian militia gangs in Baniyas. The photos, pixilated due to their horrific and graphic nature shows bodies shot, stabbed and burned, lying in the village streets.

Some children are shown lying in pools of blood. Another toddler was covered in burns, her clothes singed and her legs charred. Some of the women victims were mutilated.

At least 77 people - 20 from the same family - were killed, a day after 72 died in nearby Bayda. Assad's regime claimed it had fought back against "terrorist groups" and restored peace and security to the area.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#69853 May 24, 2013
suzu wrote:
<quoted text>
yes, poor tiny country surrounded by enemies but has enough resources to go terrorize guatemalans, 1000's of miles away
strange isn't it what a poor tiny country is capable of.
Hey, leave Henry alone...he's busy arguing with 2009. Know what you can do to make this a better place (besides thinking every once in a while)? You could post a link to the article you are citing, that way we're all on the same page.

You kind of missed the mark on all the Iran/Contra problems, didn't you? Guatemalan Mayans were purely collateral damage during an otherwise successful anti-communist campaign in Central America. You may want to rethink your anti APAC rant. At least with that you showed some familiarity with the subject.

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