Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

There are 70006 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 18, 2009, titled Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ...

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“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#66966 Dec 28, 2012
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text>
See what? Told me what? You high again?
Don't you just hate that when a woman smokes that scrawny butt?

Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#66967 Dec 28, 2012
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text>
See what? Told me what? You high again?
I don't get high, dune coon.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66968 Dec 28, 2012
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
Doodie Man!!!! One more working day for 1012. Kisses & hugs.
Speak for yourself.

So, "No, No and No" actually means yes? Vot took you so long?

“Yee vizz”

Since: Dec 12

Central Connecticut

#66969 Dec 28, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Speak for yourself.
So, "No, No and No" actually means yes? Vot took you so long?
I vanted Veeky to get his wish. Now, the challenge is to see how long I can keep it. oy vey.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#66970 Dec 28, 2012
Things are looking up! It is now a balmy 7....A big improvement from 1 earlier. I curse myself for putting the summer wear in the cedar closet.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66971 Dec 28, 2012
Yumpin Yimminy wrote:
<quoted text>
I vanted Veeky to get his wish. Now, the challenge is to see how long I can keep it. oy vey.
That being the case I'd have gone with "Ize Claus".

Oh well, c'est la vey.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66972 Dec 28, 2012
Faith wrote:
Things are looking up! It is now a balmy 7....A big improvement from 1 earlier. I curse myself for putting the summer wear in the cedar closet.
Don't be so hard on yourself. I did the same thing when the temps went below 50 here and now look at me...cashmere/wool blend shorts.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66973 Dec 28, 2012
Is it just me or are the posts going through some kind of filter or delay lately? I press the post comment button and the page changes but the post doesn't appear for several minutes.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#66974 Dec 28, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be so hard on yourself. I did the same thing when the temps went below 50 here and now look at me...cashmere/wool blend shorts.
I'm thinking that if this warming trend continues.....I may even be able start my car. NWS says it is supposed to go up to 20 today.....If I was in Canada or England...20 would be A-OK.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#66975 Dec 28, 2012
TRD wrote:
Is it just me or are the posts going through some kind of filter or delay lately? I press the post comment button and the page changes but the post doesn't appear for several minutes.
Oh good...It's not just me....I thought I was on the verge of being..uh..censored.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66976 Dec 28, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Oh good...It's not just me....I thought I was on the verge of being..uh..censored.
I guess it's unequivocal...Ize broke Topix and now we all have to be censored. SHEESH! One bad apple!

I hate to be the one to say "He told us so" but I'm thanking Al Gore for my green Christmas and future ocean-front property.(and that adorable frog)
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#66977 Dec 28, 2012
I have always been sympathetic to the Israelis....But now I see the unabashed cruelty being forced upon the poor Palestinians...Maybe Vanessa Redgrave was right...This is just plain inhumane....

"The High Court ruled Tuesday that terrorist security prisoners were not eligible for free university education in Israeli schools. The permission and assistance extended to prisoners convicted of criminal activities that supplies them with free courses and degree programs at Israel's Open University does not apply to prisoners convicted of terror activities, the court ruled.
The ruling came in response to a lawsuit by three terrorist prisoners who claimed they were being discriminated against because prison authorities refused to enroll them in an Open University program and pay their tuition."

Have you ever seen such cruelty?
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66978 Dec 28, 2012
Ize Lost wrote:
<quoted text>
No, No and No. If joining was such a big deal, where are you? You've had more nicks than Screwy Lewey. It is personal, Juan. Obviously they threw my 8K+ posts out the cyber window without looking back. No time outs. No Penalty. Just GONE! So, fcuk em and the camel they rode in on. Your legacy is here with those who remember you, hate you and love you. Pick a hand. Or a leg. There's three of those. There's only one Veeky. Drop the u in words like "color". Don't be a Mensch. You look like a BRIT. And, uh, Smalls is getting ready for the Ball to drop on New Years. His lips have to be chapped by now. Later, Junior.
Nah, I carry the distinction of being the one (non spammer-troll) with most post-deletions & negative-smilie judgies. LOL, look at last 10 pages alone; ya think somebody is unhappy, huh? Love it.

No, not a Brit; merely somone who (started to) learn English NOT in America, duh, so some "sippage" occasionally occurs.

Again, remember Katie Hepburn in African Queen, something about "human nature, Mr. Gittis, is what we must RISE ABOVE".

Ok, Gittis is from Chinatown, but point still stands.

Rise above. Re-register. It's 6th pillar of Islam and only sure way to reach Allah's Afterlife Afterparty.

Come on, home slice, 72 perma-virgin, non-menstruating, non-defecating, non-credit-card-maxing, non-sweating, non-nagging Huri... becon.

"Ize. Iiiiizzzzzeee"
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66979 Dec 28, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>As they say in Kunming, "Lock and Loll!" (fine, thanks)
As one O' dem registered-hamorphodites we don kindly take to round these here parts, "Quality is NEVER an accident".

So, June 1982.... 92 Su/Mig's VS. 0 F-15/F-16.

Retrospectively...

Who ya got!

Remember, it is said that "quality is ALWAYS an accident". Although, I wonder by whom.
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66980 Dec 28, 2012
voice of peace wrote:
…you didn’t want it once … now you are going to have it twenty times…
My response to the message from Lebanon that was cowardly deleted from the thread… for no reason other than not having the arguments to tackle it…
I liked Amany Al-Sayyed’s article.
I liked it, because when reading in between lines, it becomes obvious that Hamas’ last painful and costly undertaking … was not about liberating Palestine and Palestinians. It was not about pushing back the savage well poisoning rapist Zionist assassins north…
It was all about Hamas… it was all about a ‘victory’… a fake very much needed victory.
It was all about drawing a fake image of a resistance popular movement …. that couldn’t take off and taxied on the runway roaring and burning fuel..
But I’m not surprised at all.
The Palestinian People in the Gaza Strip … can not subsist only on bread. They need also circus. And Hamas felt it was about time to provide the entertainment.
As a spin off, in the best of Arab traditions (ref: the Iom Kippur Museum in Cairo and the Hissballah Museum in southern Beirut) the Hamas leadership persuaded the no-haves on the strip, that their suffering is been rewarded by a definite victory over the Zionist agressors…
Hamas is not telling the crowds that within the first hours of fighting, as occurred in the last engagement with Hissballah … the large range rocketry capacity of fire of Hamas was decimated by precise IAF attacks to the rockets in their borrows…
Hamas is not telling the crowds in the Strip, that their hitting score was low … Only around 4% of the rockets fired across the border hit a target … any target.
Hamas armed resistance, in the axis of time … since its creation, is not doing much of relevance to liberate the lands and the people. Hamas protagonism is bringing only misery to the Strip.
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You know what's missing? This post.

VOP, I think I speak for everybody when I say "Moar! Maor! MOAR!"

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66981 Dec 28, 2012
Faith wrote:
I have always been sympathetic to the Israelis....But now I see the unabashed cruelty being forced upon the poor Palestinians...Maybe Vanessa Redgrave was right...This is just plain inhumane....
"The High Court ruled Tuesday that terrorist security prisoners were not eligible for free university education in Israeli schools. The permission and assistance extended to prisoners convicted of criminal activities that supplies them with free courses and degree programs at Israel's Open University does not apply to prisoners convicted of terror activities, the court ruled.
The ruling came in response to a lawsuit by three terrorist prisoners who claimed they were being discriminated against because prison authorities refused to enroll them in an Open University program and pay their tuition."
Have you ever seen such cruelty?
Since I'm not really sure how to spell a sudden intake of breath let me just say OMG! Those Bastards!

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66982 Dec 28, 2012
Freedom Terrister wrote:
<quoted text>
As one O' dem registered-hamorphodites we don kindly take to round these here parts, "Quality is NEVER an accident".
So, June 1982.... 92 Su/Mig's VS. 0 F-15/F-16.
Retrospectively...
Who ya got!
Remember, it is said that "quality is ALWAYS an accident". Although, I wonder by whom.
I wasn't there in '82 and it was nothing like '73 when I was. However, before I lay a bet I'd like to hear their side of the story...

http://www.redstar.ru/

...cuz the wiki has them claiming an epic, glorious victory over the Juices.

"The Soviets went even further in extolling the SAF's combat virtues: the military newspaper Red Star announced triumphantly that "sixty-seven Israeli aircraft, including modern US-made F-15 and F-16 fighters, were downed" in the fighting"

http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicles/a...
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66983 Dec 28, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't there in '82 and it was nothing like '73 when I was. However, before I lay a bet I'd like to hear their side of the story...
http://www.redstar.ru/
...cuz the wiki has them claiming an epic, glorious victory over the Juices.
"The Soviets went even further in extolling the SAF's combat virtues: the military newspaper Red Star announced triumphantly that "sixty-seven Israeli aircraft, including modern US-made F-15 and F-16 fighters, were downed" in the fighting"
http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicles/a...
Red Star. But of course. That's why Brezhnev and Andropov just about fired or "retired" the whole joint-chiefs...uh-huh, lulz.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/June2002/0602beka...

Somehow miraculous Israeli 92:0 air-kill ratio + whoppiong 17 Soviet SAM batteries taken out in matter of hours --- remember, Syrian air-defenses were THE most dense outside of Moscow at the time, plus of course ton of Soviet "advisers" basically in charge... got turned into an epic, Orwellian Charlie Sheen "WIN!!!oneOne111?!!! " for the

Then again, compared to the most recent Gaza claims of having sunk the Knesset building in "Al Quds"; remotely hijacked & landed like a dozen Zionist F-16, apaches and Dolphin submarines --- not to mention caought 1000's of collaborators & AIDS poisoners of water-wells...

Red Star, Pravda, ITAR-TASS come off looking like a Walter Cronkite in comparison.
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66984 Dec 28, 2012
Freedom Terrister wrote:
<quoted text>
Red Star. But of course. That's why Brezhnev and Andropov just about fired or "retired" the whole joint-chiefs...uh-huh, lulz.
http://www.afa.org/magazine/June2002/0602beka...
Somehow miraculous Israeli 92:0 air-kill ratio + whoppiong 17 Soviet SAM batteries taken out in matter of hours --- remember, Syrian air-defenses were THE most dense outside of Moscow at the time, plus of course ton of Soviet "advisers" basically in charge... got turned into an epic, Orwellian Charlie Sheen "WIN!!!oneOne111?!!! " for the
Then again, compared to the most recent Gaza claims of having sunk the Knesset building in "Al Quds"; remotely hijacked & landed like a dozen Zionist F-16, apaches and Dolphin submarines --- not to mention caought 1000's of collaborators & AIDS poisoners of water-wells...
Red Star, Pravda, ITAR-TASS come off looking like a Walter Cronkite in comparison.
"In June 1982, Israeli ground forces pushed into Lebanon in an effort to put an end to cross-border terror attacks. Operation Peace for Galilee, as Israel dubbed it, led to a prolonged conflict with Lebanon and produced mixed overall results.

However, the initial phase of that operation included a spectacular moment when the Israeli Air Force destroyed 19 surface-to-air missile batteries, with no losses, and downed a huge number of enemy aircraft. With real-time intelligence and careful exploitation of adversary weaknesses, the IAF dealt modern air defenses their first major defeat.

So startling was the IAF success in that Bekaa Valley air war 20 years ago this month that it ever since has stood out as a critical turning point in the deadly duel of fighters and SAMs.

The Bekaa Valley success was long in the making. Israel's small but elite air force dominated the Six Day War of June 1967, pulling off one of the most successful surprise attacks of all time. Flying about 3,300 sorties, the IAF smashed the air forces of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The three Arab nations, taken together, lost around 400 aircraft on the ground and in the air. Thereafter, the Egyptian, Syrian, and Jordanian armies were routed in the Sinai, Golan Heights, and West Bank.

However, the IAF's dominance in the air was successfully challenged in the War of Attrition which officially started in March 1969 and ended in mid-1970. Egypt's campaign to harass Israeli forces in the Sinai was backed by a massive infusion of Soviet weapons, including modern aircraft and missiles. As a result, the IAF was the first air force that had to contend with advanced Soviet-made SAMs.

During these years, IAF raids destroyed some Egyptian SAM batteries, but sporadic action was not enough. Worse, the SAMs were taking a toll on the small Israeli Air Force. One historian of these events, retired RAF Air Vice Marshal Tony Mason, observed, "Squadron attrition exchange ratios had changed from 1-to-40 in the air to 2-to-4 against missiles" during the peak of the War of Attrition. It was only too apparent that the Arab states were shifting from fighters to SAMS for air defense."
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66985 Dec 28, 2012
Clearly, the IAF's freedom to operate in future battles depended on its finding a way to rapidly and systematically take out stationary or mobile SAMs. In Ivry's view, the main lesson of 1973 was simple: "We have to find an answer to the SAM batteries."

Years passed, and Egypt and Israel made peace, but the overall SAM problem did not go away. If anything, it intensified. In April 1981, Syria began to deploy its first SAM brigades to the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon. The move came in response to the IAF's shootdown of two Syrian helicopters which had been participating in attacks on Christian militia--Israel's allies--in southern Lebanon.

One who was studying Syria's move with great interest was Ivry, who had become head of the IAF.

"From our point of view," he said, the movement of SAM brigades into the Bekaa Valley was "crossing the red line" because it threatened Israel's air superiority over its border with Lebanon. SAMs in the Bekaa Valley restricted the IAF's ability to conduct reconnaissance or to provide air cover for ground operations.

However, the clock was ticking on implementing the final phases of the 1978 Camp David Accords and the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace treaty, which called for withdrawal of forces from the Sinai in 1982. The political situation was "very delicate," in Ivry's words. Israel was tempted to carry out an attack on the Bekaa Valley SAM brigades, but the IAF had a bigger challenge in mind: destruction of the Osirak nuclear reactor then under construction in Iraq. On June 7, 1981, in a stunning attack, a strike package of 14 Israeli fighters destroyed the reactor outside Baghdad.

A year later, however, the elimination of the Bekaa Valley SAM sites became an urgent priority. Palestine Liberation Organization forces in southern Lebanon had become part of an escalating cross-border conflict aimed at Israeli settlements. The PLO fired artillery and rockets against Israeli civilian areas in Galilee.

Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon got Prime Minister Menachem Begin's support for an operation in Lebanon to attack the PLO forces there. Operation Peace for Galilee aimed to drive Israeli ground forces into Lebanon to keep Syria at bay, while Lebanese Christian militiamen drove out the PLO. The first week of the operation culminated with the most significant air battle of the 1980s and one of the most important in the history of military airpower.

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