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Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

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Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ...

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Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66682 Dec 19, 2012
voice of peace wrote:
My response to the message from Lebanon that was cowardly deleted from the thread… for no reason other than not having the arguments to tackle it…
Relax. My posts used get deleted all the time. Who cares! Spend your energies & expend your righteous indignation where they MATTER -- i.e. ONLY vote for Right-wing (non-Haredi)Zionist parties from now on. And tell your kids, friends and acquiantances to do same. Because, as bitter experience has shown, NOT to do so would be by default legitimizing the TRAITOROUS, if not suicidal path chosen by Peres, Beilin, Ben Ami, Barak and then continued by (post-senile, possibly AG-blackmailed) Sharon, Olmert, Livni, Yachimovich, et al... Even Israelis who can't agree about anything and who think that Muslims want peace, are bound to smarten up by reality at some point, right? Right?

Any one else here, what do you need to know about Lebanon? Real quick basics

1) Not without its share of hottie "talent" or delish food-fare. But the country itself is a shell of what it was before Yassir Pedophilafat got chased out of Jordan. Beirut as banking-hub.... "hey, we'll always have Paris [of the Middle East]".

2) Northern Border has never been more quiet. 6.5 years and counting - in the M.E. in general and in "Zionist Entitah" in particular, that's like 50 years in Swiss or Danish years.

3) Yeah, the infantry & all kinds of other training was severely curtailed, degraded for years prior to the 2LW. Thanks to the "Peaceniks" that somehow deluded the nations that era of wars was over. Plus, thanks to 2nd Intifada that shifted nation's focus on terror-policing (at the expense of conventional warfare capabilities & budgets, naturally)

4) With the US/NATO recent smashing of Saddam's mighty army in both Gulf wars mostly from the air, and then doing same to Milosevic crew... that further contributed to the overall IDF complacency by introducing a false doctorine held by Dan Halutz camp that evidently held that a few precision-bombing runs would pacify the jihadis. Especially a group like Hezbollah that, far from being a rag-tag bunch, was essentially turned into de-facto IRGC divisions -- courtesy of multi-billion dollars Iranian & Syrian investement over the years into all kinds sophisticated arms, bunker + tunnels networks, C&C centers all cleverly integrated into human shields & other civilian infrastructure.

5) And then there is the spectacularly incompetent Leftist cretins Ehud Olmert and Amir Peretz! I mean if Peretz running Histadrut didn't prepare him for 21st century guerilla warfare, I don't know what would, LOL. Even the rare few times Olmert did listen to the advice of IDF professionals, he ended up changing his mind & pussying out like 10 different times! So after Olmert got dragged into the war he didn't want kicking and screaming....he basically delayed any kind of meaningful deplyment until literally last possible moment before ceasire-fire was ready to go into effect -- instead preferring to send older Merkava 2 & 3 tanks practically without escort or support, into the mountanous-wooded terrain for which they weren't even designed...and into SUICIDE missions, into mind-traps & veritable volleys of advanced Kornet, Metis-M, RPG-29 fire that absolutely NO tank in the world would be able to survive. Not Abrams, not Chally, not Leopard II, not T-80.

<<to be cont.>>
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66683 Dec 20, 2012
<<cont.>>

6) And of course then there was the serial bungler Tsipora Livni acting as FM who got completely rail-roaded into UN Res 1701 that effectively wiped out whatever last-day(s) gains Olmert did eventually allow IDF to make..... Wow, triple threat of Olmert-Peretz-Livni. Eisenhower-Churchill-Zhukov got nothing on that trio, LOL!

7) And even with just about WORST-CASE scenario unfolding in every respect... Only about 50 Israeli civilians died, many Israeli-Arabs in the north. About 100 IDF soldiers perished almost all from aformentioned Olmertian suicide tank missions. As compared to close to 800 of the best Hezbollah commandos, rocket crews, etc. Many ended up in mass-graves buried in those elaborate tunnels & bunkers collapsed from IDF bombing. Initially, Hezbollah only claimed 50, then got caught in a massive lie so they raised to 500...even spiriting away many to Syrian hospitals under fake names; later quietly paying off their familities to be quiet, so as to not spoil the "divine victory of resistance". So now we know the actual number was around 800, which makes the IDF combatant kill ratio a robust 8:1 -- impressive considering that, again, everything went against Israel, including "world opinion" --- and Hezbollah was fighting on its OWN soil, in civilian attire, behind human shieds, etc.

8) Of course another 700 Lebanense civilians died, and the economomy still hasn't rebounded despite billions of dollars infused into Lebanon by both US/EU and Iran since then... The war was apparently such a "success" that Lebanese PM was crying on live TV -----> and even the normally sh*t-talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted that had he known of how harsh the IDF reponse would be, he never would have ordered the kidnapping of 2 IDF soldiers, in the first place!

<<to be cont.>>
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66684 Dec 20, 2012
9) But really, was everything was so unqualifiedly bad for Israel as Israel-haters love to claim? Not really. As mentioned, Hezzie's best & brightest got buried at a lop-sided ratio. Mind you, the actual number of IDF soldiers fighting them on rotation-basis never exceeded 20,000 on an actual battlefield, and even that was mostly toward the end of hostilities, right before ceasire-fire. Moreover, IAF destroyed all of Hezbollah's long-range rockets & launchers in the first, what, 30 minutes of the war? And of the 40 some odd mostly older Merkava tanks that were hit by the advanced Russian ATGM, all but 5 returned to service after repair.

10) Even more importantly, afterwards there was a MAJOR shift in Israeli military & political leadership. Winograd Comission did its part certainly in helping IDF improve 3-fold virtually every relevant facet of operations. I am not even talking about the 2 APC systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist that promise to be a game-changer against Kornet, Metis-M, RPG-29 and other tank-killers. Or the stuff like Iron Dome...No, judging from even open-sources, it's far more comprehensive. And you KNOW Israel always has a some crazy classified stuff up its sleeve! Castlead and especially Amud Anan even showecased but a small preview..... And of course this was what discredited the corrupt Team Olmert losers in the eyes of the public ------> which allowed Bibi to come in and at least try to fix some of the huge Avoda-Kadima created mess (during the Global Great Recession, no less!).

In some ways, Israel was lucky it got a wake-up call when it did in '06. Hezbollah and their Iran bosses made a major miscalculation when they showed Israel their "poker hand" 5-6 years too early, IMO. And now with Iran far econmically weaker & internationally isolated than in '06... and with Hezbollah spending all those resources barely propping up Assad in Syria, while themselves getting ready for Sunni Spring to re-ignite in Lebanon....it may be too late. Their popularity is a shadow of what it was say 5 years ago among even Lebanese.

And IDF has basically let them know "No more Mr. Nice-guy". Hence their quiet as mouth conduct. Hey, don't start none, there'll BE none, yanahmesayen'?
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#66685 Dec 20, 2012
Singer Stevie Wonder agreed to perform at the 2012 winter gala of the Friends of the Israel Defence Forces, until anti-Israel groups pressured him to cancel. Stevie caved to their lies and propaganda and backed out. Stevie, this one is for you.

We Just Called to Say We LOVE Israel!
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#66686 Dec 20, 2012

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#66688 Dec 20, 2012
Freedom Terrister wrote:
In some ways, Israel was lucky it got a wake-up call when it did in '06. Hezbollah and their Iran bosses made a major miscalculation when they showed Israel their "poker hand" 5-6 years too early, IMO. And now with Iran far econmically weaker & internationally isolated than in '06... and with Hezbollah spending all those resources barely propping up Assad in Syria, while themselves getting ready for Sunni Spring to re-ignite in Lebanon....it may be too late. Their popularity is a shadow of what it was say 5 years ago among even Lebanese.
And IDF has basically let them know "No more Mr. Nice-guy". Hence their quiet as mouth conduct. Hey, don't start none, there'll BE none, yanahmesayen'?
Looks like that impressive IQ of yours only tells you what you want to hear, veeks. Hizbollah aren't stupid. They won't let Assad drag them down the sh*t drain with him. Their popularity among Arabs and Muslims is irreverent. Just look at Hamas. I doubt there's an organization in the whole Muslim world more popular than them. This popularity couldn't even lift the Gaza barricade.
Hizbollah are stronger than ever, with rockets that can reach Israeli targets from ranging the Jalil heights to the southernmost hotel/house/boat in Eilat.

We'll see who strong and who's not once Israel decides to grow a pair and aim their cannons at South Lebanon instead of constantly bullying a barricaded Gaza.
Rambone

Duncanville, TX

#66689 Dec 20, 2012
Shitreali death squads did Sandy Hook killings.......

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...
gonond

Pittsburgh, PA

#66690 Dec 20, 2012

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66691 Dec 20, 2012
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text>Looks like that impressive IQ of yours only tells you what you want to hear, veeks. Hizbollah aren't stupid. They won't let Assad drag them down the sh*t drain with him. Their popularity among Arabs and Muslims is irreverent. Just look at Hamas. I doubt there's an organization in the whole Muslim world more popular than them. This popularity couldn't even lift the Gaza barricade.
Hizbollah are stronger than ever, with rockets that can reach Israeli targets from ranging the Jalil heights to the southernmost hotel/house/boat in Eilat.
We'll see who strong and who's not once Israel decides to grow a pair and aim their cannons at South Lebanon instead of constantly bullying a barricaded Gaza.
In your sycophantic wet dream perhaps. "Excellent, thanks."? You didn't say that any of the dozens of times Gray posted that EXACT garbage before. Perhaps it's you who has an issue seeing only what he wants.

From the cheap seats (with a great view of Lebanon) it would appear that Hezbollah is about to be shown the door. Plainly, the Lebanese are tired of hosting an organisation which is one of the only friends of the Assad regime. The Lebanese press has been rife with grumblings about the existence of an extra-governmental militia that has more power than the national army.

A more likely scenario is Nasrallah starting shit with Israel to cover his disgraced withdrawal from Syria except that the open-arms welcome he's expecting will not materialize. I think that secretly, in their heart of hearts, Lebanese wish there would be another conflict with Israel so they can use the pretext to hammer Hezbollah against the Israeli anvil.

http://www.yalibnan.com/2012/08/04/analysis-a...

Th-tha-th-tha-th-that's all folks!

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66692 Dec 20, 2012
Rambone wrote:
Shitreali death squads did Sandy Hook killings.......
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...
Stewy, you couldn't possibly sound less intelligent.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#66693 Dec 20, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>In your sycophantic wet dream perhaps. "Excellent, thanks."? You didn't say that any of the dozens of times Gray posted that EXACT garbage before. Perhaps it's you who has an issue seeing only what he wants.
From the cheap seats (with a great view of Lebanon) it would appear that Hezbollah is about to be shown the door. Plainly, the Lebanese are tired of hosting an organisation which is one of the only friends of the Assad regime. The Lebanese press has been rife with grumblings about the existence of an extra-governmental militia that has more power than the national army.
A more likely scenario is Nasrallah starting shit with Israel to cover his disgraced withdrawal from Syria except that the open-arms welcome he's expecting will not materialize. I think that secretly, in their heart of hearts, Lebanese wish there would be another conflict with Israel so they can use the pretext to hammer Hezbollah against the Israeli anvil.
http://www.yalibnan.com/2012/08/04/analysis-a...
Th-tha-th-tha-th-that's all folks!
I didn't read many of Gray's of posts. He must have been posting while I was absent.

Nassrallah is making a huge mistake supporting Assad, no doubt about it. But to link Hizballah's fate to Assad's is nonsense. Everyone though Hamas, the barricaded organization who has much smaller resources than Hizballah's, would collapse and leave Gaza open for Fateh and Israel once Syria abandons them. Not only did that not happen, but Hamas also raised their tone in challenging Israel. I doubt Hizballah will go running out of Lebanon once Assad is gone. And you said it, Hizballah is the strongest military in Lebanon. They also have divisions in the national army that are loyal to them. I doubt the Lebanese want to see their country plunge into another chapter of bloody civil war, especially with all the destruction they see in Syria.

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66694 Dec 20, 2012
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't read many of Gray's of posts. He must have been posting while I was absent.
Nassrallah is making a huge mistake supporting Assad, no doubt about it. But to link Hizballah's fate to Assad's is nonsense. Everyone though Hamas, the barricaded organization who has much smaller resources than Hizballah's, would collapse and leave Gaza open for Fateh and Israel once Syria abandons them. Not only did that not happen, but Hamas also raised their tone in challenging Israel. I doubt Hizballah will go running out of Lebanon once Assad is gone. And you said it, Hizballah is the strongest military in Lebanon. They also have divisions in the national army that are loyal to them. I doubt the Lebanese want to see their country plunge into another chapter of bloody civil war, especially with all the destruction they see in Syria.
I would say that ship has sailed considering the violence that has already spilled into Lebanon from Syria. It's not going to be a civil war so much as a sectarian bloodbath IMO. Once the rebels consolidate their positions in Syria, they're going to hunt down those who supported their tormentors and Hezbollah will be left wearing the "kick me" sign. The Sunni and Christian Lebanese will wring their hands and cry foul while secretly relishing the idea of having outside contractors handle the dirty work. Nasrallah screwed the pooch with his choices and blood vengeance is the law of any Arab land (although I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that).

TRD

“The Real Deal”

Since: Apr 09

Central Florida

#66695 Dec 20, 2012
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Nasrallah starting up some shit with Israel almost immediately.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/world/middl...

Now that he's up against the Sunni leprechaun division he needs a diversion in the worst way.
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66696 Dec 20, 2012
Freedom Terrrister wrote:
<quoted text>
TL; DNR

Please, Mr. Gray, whatever awful things you may be planning on doing to yourself -- you know, to cleanse out the ta voices & to atone for being a naughty boy and wearing your dead mother's ripped-off skin as a dress because you didn't want to let her go, oh no never!..... please, Mr. Gray, whatever painful punishment you plan on unleashing on youtself in order to fully "transition" to being a Dragon (like Ralph Fiennes in Manhunter revival)....

...please please please do NOT shoot up a local school full of Jewish children -- whatever "land-occupying" beastly satans, or demonic devils, or wicked luciferian belzebubs you may THINK they are... they are just little innocent kids, man! It's NOT fair that you are planning to put such angelic creatures, not to mention their poor, poor parents through sheer Hell on earth -- just because you decided to skip your Clozepine and SSRI. Not fair! Stop, Gray, I am begging you!

Gray, if all our post-Nam trips together; if all those admittedly unrequitted lustful looks you were shooting as I bathed... meant anything to you, man; if our traversing sahara desert on skies, climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro while dodging Zionist RPG fire in Burkina Faso in 1973.... if there is a shred of humanity still left in that cold little, envy-riddled black heart of yours... PLEASE DO NOT HURT THE KIDS, MAN! They may be Jewish alright, but they are Lord's children, too! It's not their fauilt that you thought that 'Agent Orange' was an actual delicious fruit all those years ago -- and the ol' synapses went beserk then turned into mush, as a result of ingesting it!

Please, I'll donate all the allowance money I have to Gordon Duff's favorite NAMBLA retreat; I'll confess to fondling all those coma patients -- suspiciously all happened to be in your ward, on your shift -- even though, technically, it would have happened roughly 25 years BEFORE I was even born... Just don't kill the little ones, Gray, not the little ones!

Please Gray, for the love of God... no more killing!!!
Gray, I believe our mutual friend TRD may be convinced to give up something to, to save those children. Italian cuisine for a solid month, perhaps?

Mr. Gray, one last bit of advice: when you do get the VeteransToday mother-ship to fly to the Sun on a special mission to find definitive proof that there never was any Holocaust OR any Jews OR any Europe....please do so AT NIGHT -- because the Sun's surface is probably not nearly hot at night.

PS. Free Palestine! Free IMF! Free, um, free-rent! Free Mumia Abu Jamal!
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66720 Dec 20, 2012
voice of peace wrote:
<quoted text>.
Ohhh .... you mean 10 times won't do it... ten times is not enough..??
... so you are going to get it twenty times ... and thirty and forty ... and what comes after forty sixty..??... up until someone writes who did it, who deleted my message ... and for what purpose.. kapisch..??
If I can't post and nobody explains why ... we are gonna have a party..
.
Please stop embarassing yourself, VOP. You are BETTER than this.

As TRD and Ize pointed out, I had what 10 DIFFERENT posts of mine erased/deleted just couple days ago. I said my piece about Topix Mods at time uneven SOP; some posters agreed, others disagreed.

Then we all moved on!

(Ok, well, technically, then we poisoned Palestinian water-wells with AIDS & turned matza into Gaza babies' blood..... and only THEN did we move on....But the point still stands!)
Ize Lost

Wallingford, CT

#66721 Dec 20, 2012
Freedom Terrister wrote:
<quoted text>
Gray, I believe our mutual friend TRD may be convinced to give up something to, to save those children. Italian cuisine for a solid month, perhaps?
Mr. Gray, one last bit of advice: when you do get the VeteransToday mother-ship to fly to the Sun on a special mission to find definitive proof that there never was any Holocaust OR any Jews OR any Europe....please do so AT NIGHT -- because the Sun's surface is probably not nearly hot at night.
PS. Free Palestine! Free IMF! Free, um, free-rent! Free Mumia Abu Jamal!
That steel plate in Old red's head pretty much blocks out any guilt he has for working for Lt. General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence). Take it easy on him. He's very old and so is his cut and paste.

>Veterans Today ( www.veteranstoday.com ) is pleased to announce the appointment of Lt. General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), to its Editorial Board of Directors.<
http://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2010/08/f ...
Freedom Terrister

Chicago, IL

#66722 Dec 20, 2012
Ize Lost wrote:
<quoted text>
That steel plate in Old red's head pretty much blocks out any guilt he has for working for Lt. General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence). Take it easy on him. He's very old and so is his cut and paste.
>Veterans Today ( www.veteranstoday.com ) is pleased to announce the appointment of Lt. General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), to its Editorial Board of Directors.<
http://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2010/08/f ...
Uh, I don't think that's a (tiny) steel-plate -- Gray's just REALLY, REALLY happy to see you.

**10-day vomiting ensues**
Rambone

Duncanville, TX

#66723 Dec 20, 2012
voice of shit wrote:
…you didn’t want it once … now you are going to have it twenty times…
My response to the message from Lebanon that was cowardly deleted from the thread… for no reason other than not having the arguments to tackle it…
I liked Amany Al-Sayyed’s article.
I liked it, because when reading in between lines, it becomes obvious that Hamas’ last painful and costly undertaking … was not about liberating Palestine and Palestinians. It was not about pushing back the savage well poisoning rapist Zionist assassins north…
It was all about Hamas… it was all about a ‘victory’… a fake very much needed victory.
It was all about drawing a fake image of a resistance popular movement …. that couldn’t take off and taxied on the runway roaring and burning fuel..
But I’m not surprised at all.
The Palestinian People in the Gaza Strip … can not subsist only on bread. They need also circus. And Hamas felt it was about time to provide the entertainment.
As a spin off, in the best of Arab traditions (ref: the Iom Kippur Museum in Cairo and the Hissballah Museum in southern Beirut) the Hamas leadership persuaded the no-haves on the strip, that their suffering is been rewarded by a definite victory over the Zionist agressors…
Hamas is not telling the crowds that within the first hours of fighting, as occurred in the last engagement with Hissballah … the large range rocketry capacity of fire of Hamas was decimated by precise IAF attacks to the rockets in their borrows…
Hamas is not telling the crowds in the Strip, that their hitting score was low … Only around 4% of the rockets fired across the border hit a target … any target.
Hamas armed resistance, in the axis of time … since its creation, is not doing much of relevance to liberate the lands and the people. Hamas protagonism is bringing only misery to the Strip.
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You're a FU*K*NG JACKASS you mo-fo blood sucking Parasite!
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#66724 Dec 20, 2012
Soy de Palestina wrote:
<quoted text> 20 Years ago Hamas had nothing but knives and rocks. I'd say they have come a long way. Rockets range and accuracy can improve. I hate to break it to you, but the Zionist theory of deterrence has been failing miserably since 2006.
Yeah, right on.

The Iron Dome wedding .

A wedding photographer in Beer Sheba , capital of southern Israel was doing his job while the missile alarm went on. All went to seek shelter , him too, but he left his camera rolling, the results are here. Beautiful. How that defense system works is just amazing!!! Go IDF go!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/8kAyqbKwd1o...
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#66725 Dec 20, 2012
TRD wrote:
<quoted text>Stewy, you couldn't possibly sound less intelligent.
Got to remember this sentence!!!!!!

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