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Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#21 Dec 12, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Yeah, that!:)
Those were the days when Meg Ryan was adorable.
Today:
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Enterta...
I know, she looks horrible.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#22 Dec 12, 2012
I never though she was hot.
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Yeah, that!:)
Those were the days when Meg Ryan was adorable.
Today:
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Enterta...

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#23 Dec 12, 2012
L1: Don't talk to Amy about it, speak to the BF.

L2: That's what you learn in HS -- learn to lead your own life instead of pleasing your friends but still being kind so you do have friends. Learn that everyone can hang together.

L3: Had a black lab that had wondered on the property we took in. Built a cedar dog house that was the perfect size for her. She stayed out most of the time but any time it got real cold or real hot we brought her in. The vet said there was no way it was an outside dog b/c it was the healthiest dog he took care of.
liner

Brooklyn, NY

#24 Dec 13, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
L1: Do NOT move in with him.
L2: This issue is preparing you for marriage.
L3: No, they won't be fine. Even if you build a dog house, it has to be big enough to hold the dog but small enough to keep his body heat in. Local statutes may even require that it is installed above the ground a certain amount. Minnesota has laws about this because so many hunters keep their hunting dogs outside.
I personally am 100% opposed to this and believe that dogs are family members and belong inthe house.
Your dogs can be whatever you want them to be Red, but my sons are avid hunters and their dogs are kept outside in a proper enclosure. Except on those one or two really cold nights a year. They have particularly thick, soft coats of fur btw.

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#25 Dec 13, 2012
liner wrote:
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Your dogs can be whatever you want them to be Red, but my sons are avid hunters and their dogs are kept outside in a proper enclosure. Except on those one or two really cold nights a year. They have particularly thick, soft coats of fur btw.
I get that. I also disagree with your sons and every other hunter who does that.
liner

Brooklyn, NY

#26 Dec 13, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I get that. I also disagree with your sons and every other hunter who does that.
OK. But my point was that not every dog is considered a "family member". Woof!

Toj

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#27 Dec 13, 2012
liner wrote:
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OK. But my point was that not every dog is considered a "family member". Woof!
Keeping a dog outside for most of the time with proper shelter, taking care that the dog does not stay out in dangerous weather, I think is fine.

I think people make dogs into humans. They aren't. There are a lot of breeds that prefer colder weather and some breeds prefer warmer weather.

Toj

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#28 Dec 13, 2012
Also, some dogs are pack dogs. I think huskies are not. Do I have that right?

Also, just b/c a dog stays in an awesome dog house outside most of the time does not mean that dog does not interact a lot with the family or person who lives there.

If you're just going to chain a dog to a tree and throw it food once in awhile, that's animal abuse. If you have a really nice shelter, take the dog inside in bad weather, play-walk-clean your dog -- that's part of the household but in a different way than a lapdog.

I have an inside dog now. My dog stays inside all of the time unless I walk him or he's right by my side.

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#29 Dec 13, 2012
Toj wrote:
Also, some dogs are pack dogs. I think huskies are not. Do I have that right?
Also, just b/c a dog stays in an awesome dog house outside most of the time does not mean that dog does not interact a lot with the family or person who lives there.
If you're just going to chain a dog to a tree and throw it food once in awhile, that's animal abuse. If you have a really nice shelter, take the dog inside in bad weather, play-walk-clean your dog -- that's part of the household but in a different way than a lapdog.
I have an inside dog now. My dog stays inside all of the time unless I walk him or he's right by my side.
I think all domesticated dogs are pack dogs. They need a pack, they need a leader.

And it's not just about making sure the dog is warm enough or cool enough. They need to belong to a group. Making it live outside? Why even have a dog?

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#30 Dec 13, 2012
Oh: Huskies DEFINITELY are pack dogs.

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Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#31 Dec 13, 2012
There are breeds of dogs or even mutt breads that have long coats or thick fur and simply aren't comfortable indoors. There is such a thing as an "indoor" dog and an "outdoor" dog. Depending on the dog, I see nothing wrong or inhumane about keeping it outside. Yeah, bring it in if it's super cold (or super hot), but many of them thrive and actually prefer to stay outdoors.
liner

Brooklyn, NY

#32 Dec 13, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I think all domesticated dogs are pack dogs. They need a pack, they need a leader.
And it's not just about making sure the dog is warm enough or cool enough. They need to belong to a group. Making it live outside? Why even have a dog?
Hunting for one thing.

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#33 Dec 13, 2012
Hunting dogs don't have to live outside. I know plenty of hunters whose dogs are indoor dogs.

I just can't fathom buying this pack animal then keeping him outside in a dog house and kennel.

Toj

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#34 Dec 13, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Hunting dogs don't have to live outside. I know plenty of hunters whose dogs are indoor dogs.
I just can't fathom buying this pack animal then keeping him outside in a dog house and kennel.
If you have hunting dogs plural, they are part of a pack with the group of dogs their outside with.

Why are you thinking b/c a dog's main living quarters are outside it doesn't have substantial contact with the owners? Not everyone sleeps with their dog. I don't think we're talking about the people who cage the animals, throw them some food and that's all they do. At least I'm not.

Toj

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#35 Dec 13, 2012
I thought this was interesting:

Certainly, for dogs with reactive temperament types, it's about control of space, resources and the movement of those around them, but that's not 'leading'~ it's using challenge and threat solely for self-interest purposes. If we do take this kind of reactive behaviour born out of frustration, anxiety, confusion or an inability to control emotional impulses to mean that a dog is being the 'pack leader', switching roles would mean that we would never give our dogs food or water, never allow them to move, never allow them to be comfortable, never allow them to 'have' anything ~ and that would be abuse. A dog who uses challenge and threat does not do so because he is trying to be a 'pack leader', he does so because we have failed to understand his temperament type and teach him how to cooperate peacefully and use alternative, acceptable ways to get what he wants. And therein lies the rub ~ we're human, not canine, and we mustn't lose sight of this. We have the bigger brains. We have the ability to teach our dogs how to behave and cooperate without challenging and threatening them. Dogs know that we are not dogs... Through their interaction with humans, dogs have learnt to give us friendly, open eye-contact by the bucket-load ~ something that they never do with one another. Dogs have also learnt to 'smile' at us ~ a familiar appeasement-greeting behaviour unique to the dog's interaction with humans. And through studying our faces, dogs have learnt 'left-gaze bias', meaning that they understand that the right-hand side of the human face displays our emotions more truthfully than the left. Humans and dogs are the only species on the planet to understand and use left-gaze bias specifically to read human facial expressions.

...today's dog still relies on us for his basic survival, but his evolved understanding of human, non-verbal language enables him to better communicate with us ~ and to choose us as his social partner, not his 'pack'. We need to spend less time trying to 'speak dog' when there is no requirement to do so... Rather than trying to be some kind of awkward, two-legged, pack-leading wolf-dog in a person suit, let's aspire to be the best provider, teacher and companion to our dogs, and put ourselves squarely back into the human part of the human-canine bond.

http://www.caninemind.co.uk/pack.html

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#36 Dec 13, 2012
Toj wrote:
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If you have hunting dogs plural, they are part of a pack with the group of dogs their outside with.
Why are you thinking b/c a dog's main living quarters are outside it doesn't have substantial contact with the owners? Not everyone sleeps with their dog. I don't think we're talking about the people who cage the animals, throw them some food and that's all they do. At least I'm not.
Toj, that is VERY common in the upper midwest.

Toj

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#37 Dec 13, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Toj, that is VERY common in the upper midwest.
What's common? People just throwing food at the animals and nothing else? I'm sure. There's all kinds of people. They just found a dog fighting ring in the south suburbs this week. You wonder how heartless some people can be.

Just b/c a dog is outside at night doesn't mean he's not well cared for. It might not be some people's way. I don't think MOST people abuse their pets, though. I just don't. Unfortunately, some people do.

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