Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#21 Jul 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>So what do you do? Interrgogate everyone as to how much they are leaving before writing your tip amount? Sneak a peek?
I would (and have) tip more too, but only if I notice what the others are leaving and I see that it sucks. Also, I don't make it a habit to hang out with cheapskates or thieves.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#22 Jul 31, 2012
L2: What Tonka and RACE said. Also, going from a 4.5-hour drive to a 4-hour drive is immaterial and I can't even believe the LW mentioned that as if it matters.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#23 Jul 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Depending on the group I'm with, plastic is not always used. I try to pay cash when eating at restaurants, and I notice some do and some don't.
In the circles I run with, it is NEVER the case that everyione is paying with case. Someotimes there might be one or 2 people paying with cash, but there is ALWAYS more than one person using the plastic.

In your cirlces, even when paying cash, do find that you generally pass the single check around and everyone toss cash into the pot or do you typically get seperate checks?

I can't remember the last time I was out and ther was just one group check. Its been over a decade.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#24 Jul 31, 2012
tiredofit wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure that restaurant workers see this kind of stuff all the time and have to look the other way all the time. McDonald's here now dispenses sugar and cream from a machine on request rather than let you help yourself to individuals packets. If people can slip condiments in their pockets, they'll do it. Not making excuses but some people can't help themselves, they're petty thieves in that way.
You consider taking free condiments from a fast food place to be stealing? What about napkins? I always grab a bunch of napkins and whatever I don't use, I take to my car and keep a stash of napkins in my glove box. Am I a thief in your mind?

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#25 Jul 31, 2012
Lunch with co-workers: almost always separate checks.

Lunch or dinner with friends: the last several times that I can remember, one check and we all either toss in cash or ask the server to split it evenly among X number of cards.

Since: Jun 09

Verona, WI

#26 Jul 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>In the circles I run with, it is NEVER the case that everyione is paying with case. Someotimes there might be one or 2 people paying with cash, but there is ALWAYS more than one person using the plastic.
In your cirlces, even when paying cash, do find that you generally pass the single check around and everyone toss cash into the pot or do you typically get seperate checks?
I can't remember the last time I was out and ther was just one group check. Its been over a decade.
Usually the checks are separate, but I've encountered places that don't want to do that. It also depends on the group and event. Like if there are shared appetizers with two families or something, we might just get one check. Sometimes, at work, we treat an honoree or possibly show appreciation to support staff, so we'll pool the money together and pay one check. It makes it a lot easier if everyone is paying cash in those cases.

I recently laxed my cash-only policy at restaurants only to have my Discover card number stolen and used at a Kmart in Miami. I can't say for sure that it was from a restaurant transaction, but I have been using it for years with no problem, then I started increasing the frequency at which I used it at restaurants shortly before that. I like to pay in cash also because I know that there will never be a problem, like having my card denied because it was frozen by the fraud protection department.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#27 Jul 31, 2012
LW1: I like Toj's suggestion. And as far as the impression on your childres, Amy's intern is right. It's a teachable moment. You can't shelter your kids from the world.

LW2: 4 hours isn't that bad. If you can't afford it, don't do it.

LW3: The original LW's gal was flat out lazy. While ADHD is a real affliction, that does not mean that everyone that is lazy, unmotivated and unfocused has it.

Since: Feb 08

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#28 Jul 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>You consider taking free condiments from a fast food place to be stealing? What about napkins? I always grab a bunch of napkins and whatever I don't use, I take to my car and keep a stash of napkins in my glove box. Am I a thief in your mind?
One thing to take a few extra napkins with take out. Another to fill your pockets with a dozen or more sugar packs when you have a single cup of coffee. Although, in some restaurants I hear it's the Splenda that gets ripped off more, to the point that it's only being brought to the tables on request in many.

Since: Jun 09

Verona, WI

#29 Jul 31, 2012
I will say that normally I don't know how much tip is being given by others, but in situations in which there one check, I will ask to make sure that a tip is left. Sometimes, I will even ask the waitstaff if he/she was compensated. With some people, I know they will be cheap. I bet my dad leaves 10-12% for good service, so I would try to make that up discreetly.
Sam I Am

Palatine, IL

#30 Jul 31, 2012
1. It's a good opportunity to teach your children. If your friends are unethical on some level, either you can accept it or you can't. Calling them on it will do nothing since they clearly can justify it to themselves.

2. It's your call granny, unless the family cares enough to pitch in and make up the difference.

3. Wow, you sound like a very tender, caring man.(Not.)

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#31 Jul 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
It makes it a lot easier if everyone is paying cash in those cases.
I find it to be more of a pain in the arse if everyone is paying in cash.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#32 Jul 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
but in situations in which there one check, I will ask to make sure that a tip is left.
Sure, cause in that case, you are part of the group and collectively responsible for payment.

With seperate checks, its not a group transaction. To me, seperate checks makes your transaction as unrelated to mine as the guy across the room. I don't concern myself with your transaction any more than I would concern myself with him.

When we do the "take Al out on his birthday", typically one person will pay for Al and everyone gives that person a couple bucks, sometimes the next day, since some of us don't carry cash on a regular basis.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#33 Jul 31, 2012
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>One thing to take a few extra napkins with take out. Another to fill your pockets with a dozen or more sugar packs when you have a single cup of coffee. Although, in some restaurants I hear it's the Splenda that gets ripped off more, to the point that it's only being brought to the tables on request in many.
There was a Dr Phil episone awhile back where this guy would actually take bunches of ketchup packets and fill bottles with them and stuff like that. He'd even go into restaurants and just ask for them (without ordering food). He would ask other people in retaurants if he could have their leftovers. He also gave his wife flowers that he found in the dumpster at a funeral home. He forgot to take the sympathy card out of them.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#34 Jul 31, 2012
LW1: I'm with Tonka on this. And if your kids ask about it, tell them that it's wrong and that's not the way you do things in your family, but that others get to make their own choices.

LW2: Renting does sound like a good idea.

LW3: Darn you RACE! That's what I was gonna say.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35 Jul 31, 2012
Stina wrote:
There was a Dr Phil episone awhile back where this guy would actually take bunches of ketchup packets and fill bottles with them and stuff like that. He'd even go into restaurants and just ask for them (without ordering food). He would ask other people in retaurants if he could have their leftovers.
That's just wierd.
Stina wrote:
He also gave his wife flowers that he found in the dumpster at a funeral home. He forgot to take the sympathy card out of them.
If they were in good condition, that's just geniius. Except the forgetting the card part.

Of course the question then is, why was he looking thru a dumpster? Why was he looking in the dumpster at a funeral home?

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#36 Jul 31, 2012
I usually get my deli meat cut fresh every day, and I will grab a couple of mayo packets from the sub making area. Even though I only use 1 for my sandwich, I take the xtra cause some days there are no packs available. So I have like 8 packs of mayo in my drawer.

Oh, and they dont charge for these either.

Since: Jun 09

Verona, WI

#37 Jul 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, cause in that case, you are part of the group and collectively responsible for payment.
With seperate checks, its not a group transaction. To me, seperate checks makes your transaction as unrelated to mine as the guy across the room. I don't concern myself with your transaction any more than I would concern myself with him.
When we do the "take Al out on his birthday", typically one person will pay for Al and everyone gives that person a couple bucks, sometimes the next day, since some of us don't carry cash on a regular basis.
If there are 5 different people paying separately, chances are that even if one person stiffs the waiter, he'll still make a decent tip, resulting in reasonable pay for his effort. If there are only two parties paying, getting the stiff from one of them might result in a really lousy tip. It might even make him remember me as one of the people involved in the lousy tip group.

I mostly tip because it's the model we have for compensating waitstaff and to say thanks for running around appeasing my gluttony. At restaurants I frequent, especially my favorite Mexican lunch spot, I tip well to also improve *my* experience. I want the salsa to flow freely, and I want them to be happy that I'm back. I typically tip $5 on a $7-$11 meal. Sometimes, they give me stuff on the house. If I brought someone there, and they didn't tip well, I would be embarrassed and would want to make up for it.

Since: Jan 10

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#38 Jul 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>So what do you do? Interrgogate everyone as to how much they are leaving before writing your tip amount? Sneak a peek?
If I can determine they are undertipping based on what I know they spent (sometimes I know, sometimes I don't), I'll add more. This was easier back when more people threw cash down on the table. These days, a group outing results in me putting cash down, and everyone else handing plastic to the waiter.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#39 Jul 31, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
Also, I don't make it a habit to hang out with cheapskates or thieves.
This.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#40 Jul 31, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
L2: What Tonka and RACE said. Also, going from a 4.5-hour drive to a 4-hour drive is immaterial and I can't even believe the LW mentioned that as if it matters.
I wonder if she meant a plane ride? She lives in the SE, her family lives in the NE... it's not like you can drive that in 4 hours.

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