Amy 1-23

[RACE]

You should, you'll feel better. Sub's tough, he can take it.

Toj wrote:

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I think there were a few people advocating that we all play nice. Gave in a tiny bit to the baiting.(mimishrug) We all have our days. At least I didn't say fully what I really think.:)

[Sublime1]

RACE wrote:

You should, you'll feel better. Sub's tough, he can take it.
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I think by "Sublikme", she was suggesting that she wanted me to lick her. Not even I'm that tough, Race. Bwahahahaha! <I'm just teasing Toj>

[pde]

edogxxx wrote:

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Nope. When she was 12 they made a deal. What kind of books was she reading at 12?

Well, I can say that my 6-year-old is currently reading what I'd classify as "children's books". If he's not moving into the novels in the standard adult fiction sections in your non-smutty bookstores by age 12 (or non-fiction books at that same reading level), I'd wonder what we would have to do to get him reading at the right level.

Most mass market adult fiction and non-fiction (not talking the classics here) is written at about a 6th grade reading level, vocabulary and structure wise.

[Toj]

RACE wrote:

You should, you'll feel better. Sub's tough, he can take it.
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You are looking for drama in order to be entertained?

[RACE]

Nah, you are all pretty amusing, even without the drama.

Toj wrote:

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You are looking for drama in order to be entertained?

[Sam I Am]

Toj wrote:

I find there are certain guys on here (Sub and edog for example) whose reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
When they are bored, they obviously twist what the conversation is about and then say the other person is twisting the conversation.
Then Sub gets all Sub-length in his posts and edog thinks he's brilliant b/c he uses a lot of words.
Upset, Sublikme? No. I am laughing at you. Not with you. At you.

I'm sorry, are you new here? Point of clarification, Mutt doesn't "use" lots of words - that implies he knows what they mean - he parrots lots of words.

[Sam I Am]

One book I have not seen mentioned - My Side of the Mountain.

[j_m_w]

Sam I Am wrote:

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I'm sorry, are you new here? Point of clarification, Mutt doesn't "use" lots of words - that implies he knows what they mean - he parrots lots of words.

Meee-ow!

Toj IS newer than you here.

[edogxxx]

Sam I Am wrote:

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I'm sorry, are you new here? Point of clarification, Mutt doesn't "use" lots of words - that implies he knows what they mean - he parrots lots of words.

See you still have nothing of any substance to add to the discussion besides unprovoked insults.

[edogxxx]

pde wrote:

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Well, I can say that my 6-year-old is currently reading what I'd classify as "children's books". If he's not moving into the novels in the standard adult fiction sections in your non-smutty bookstores by age 12 (or non-fiction books at that same reading level), I'd wonder what we would have to do to get him reading at the right level.
Most mass market adult fiction and non-fiction (not talking the classics here) is written at about a 6th grade reading level, vocabulary and structure wise.

But you said the books he mentioned would be beyond a 12yo reading comprehension anyway, then go on to say that 12 yr olds read at adult level. Which is it?

[Sam I Am]

j_m_w wrote:

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Meee-ow!
Toj IS newer than you here.

Yeah, I was being a little sarcastic. Gotta find that darn sarcasm font.

[RedheadwGlasses]

pde wrote:

Most mass market adult fiction and non-fiction (not talking the classics here) is written at about a 6th grade reading level, vocabulary and structure wise.

I'd bump that up to maybe include 8th grade. I felt that "The DaVinci Code" was at about an eighth-grade level. Great book -- sucked me in immediately and I was absorbed until the end -- but man is it lame writing.

[RedheadwGlasses]

Did anyone read the YA book "Hatchett"? It's about a boy (about 13) whose parents are divorced and his dad takes him on a small-plane trip to some place like Alaska, and the plane crashes and the only survivor is the kid, and he has his hatchett to help him survive. Nick loved that book, and is trying to get his 11yo to read it.

[pde]

edogxxx wrote:

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But you said the books he mentioned would be beyond a 12yo reading comprehension anyway, then go on to say that 12 yr olds read at adult level. Which is it?

Edog! Reading comprehension!

"Most mass market adult fiction and non-fiction (not talking the classics here) is written at about a 6th grade reading level, vocabulary and structure wise."

Mass market adult fiction is not equal to classics. The books he mentioned may be beyond a 12-year-old's reading level, and they are classical fiction. Mass market adult fiction is not classic fiction.

Most 12-year-olds should be at the reading comprehension level of mass market adult fiction, and moving into reading it. If they are not, there is probably a problem.

Some 12-year-olds might be at the reading comprehension level of classical fiction, but it wouldn't necessarily be a problem if a 12-year-old wasn't.

So, no, I don't see an issue with him making this bargain with a 12-year-old. If my kid wants me to read mass market science fiction or fantasy when he's 12 because that's what he's into--and should be into--whatever. It's enjoyable for both a 12-year-old and an adult. There is plenty of fiction out there that would be enjoyable for both a 12-year-old and an adult.

[pde]

RedheadwGlasses wrote:

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I'd bump that up to maybe include 8th grade. I felt that "The DaVinci Code" was at about an eighth-grade level. Great book -- sucked me in immediately and I was absorbed until the end -- but man is it lame writing.

I've always been told that the rule of thumb is to write to about a 4th grade level for basic journalist-type writing, and about a 6th grade level for most casual reading but non-news writing.

According to Scholastic, The Di Vinci Code analyzes at the Grade level Equivalent of 5.2.

[edogxxx]

I'm just going off what the guy was saying. He didn't mention JK Rowling or books that would be enjoyable for both adults and 12 yr olds, he was mentioning the "classics," which you said was beyond her reading level.

[RedheadwGlasses]

pde wrote:

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I've always been told that the rule of thumb is to write to about a 4th grade level for basic journalist-type writing, and about a 6th grade level for most casual reading but non-news writing.
According to Scholastic, The Di Vinci Code analyzes at the Grade level Equivalent of 5.2.

Wow.

AS I read that book, I thought, "you're using that adjective yet again?"

[Mister Tonka]

edogxxx wrote:

I'm just going off what the guy was saying. He didn't mention JK Rowling or books that would be enjoyable for both adults and 12 yr olds, he was mentioning the "classics," which you said was beyond her reading level.

It has been pointed out to you that the time frame that this arangement has been in place was for the past 18 years. From age 12 to age 30. Just because he is listing some more adult level books does not mean she read them when she was 12.

[Mister Tonka]

pde wrote:

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I've always been told that the rule of thumb is to write to about a 4th grade level for basic journalist-type writing, and about a 6th grade level for most casual reading but non-news writing.
According to Scholastic, The Di Vinci Code analyzes at the Grade level Equivalent of 5.2.

Just curious, how does one determine what level they are writing at? What would you do differnetly to consider it 4th grade vs 6th grade?

[edogxxx]

RedheadwGlasses wrote:

Did anyone read the YA book "Hatchett"? It's about a boy (about 13) whose parents are divorced and his dad takes him on a small-plane trip to some place like Alaska, and the plane crashes and the only survivor is the kid, and he has his hatchett to help him survive. Nick loved that book, and is trying to get his 11yo to read it.

The plot line sounds a little choppy, don't know if he'll be able to cut through it. Suppose he could give it a hack, though.