“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#123 Jan 23, 2013
RACE wrote:
If you equate Calvin & Hobbes to a cereal box, you are not getting it.
<quoted text>
If you equate a Calvin and Hobbs weekly comic strip in a newspaper to a childrens book, YOU'RE not getting it.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#124 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
I guess that's you admitting that most little girls have a higher reading comprehension than you do.
Oh I admit, higher reading comprehension, higher GPAs, higher IQs, you name it!

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#125 Jan 23, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was a brilliant response.
So, what you're saying is... I have to be a fan of girly books in order to feel secure about my manhood? That just doesn't make sense to me. Would I also have to paint my nails and go shoe shopping to prove I'm a real man?
I won't speak for Toj. For me, it is a matter of taste and flexibility. Man-ly men like and do girly things and it has little to do with their masculinity. Rosie Greer doing needlepoint comes to mind (Rosie Greer was an NFL football player for you youngun's). A guy who is confident in himself isn't afraid to try something different without the worry of being lured to the other side whatever that may be.

Don't we have any Jungian psychologists around to spout off on anime / anima.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#126 Jan 23, 2013
You keep tripping yourself up.
If a book is enjoyed by both children and adults, then it must be obviously geared towards a childs imagination, but with enough of a reasonable plot to keep an adult mind engaged.
So by your own definition, childrens books can be enjoyed by adults, and it does not make them gay or stupid.
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
If you equate a Calvin and Hobbs weekly comic strip in a newspaper to a childrens book, YOU'RE not getting it.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#127 Jan 23, 2013
PEllen wrote:
(Rosie Greer was an NFL football player for you youngun's).
An NFL player named Rosie... an NFL coach named Lovie...
Are you btches trying to take over the NFL?!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#128 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
<quoted text>Jane Austen could be called chick books.

Edith Wharton, not so much.

But don't worry, I'm sure we're all quite aware these are well above your reading comprehension level. It's ironic you consider them "little girls" books ... I guess that's you admitting that most little girls have a higher reading comprehension than you do.
You can have a very high reading comprehension ability without reading fiction, regardless of whether said fiction is primarily directed at boys or girls. Except for a few books, I generally do not read fiction ... I generally have never enjoyed reading for fun, unless it is non-fiction and I am acquiring knowledge.

As i said, I didn't actually read most of the books assigned to us during my lit classes ... Only those I wanted to read, which were few. I didn't have to and i knew this. Despite this, I read and comprehend highly technical documents, scientific journal articles, statutes, court opinions ... Things that would make even the most avid fiction readers mind spin.

I don't remember exactly what grade level I was reading at in junior high and high school, but it was at least a few grade levels higher and I think by 8th grade I was reading at or around a 12th grade level ... Maybe higher. Outside of text books, I never was a big reader, tho, as I said.

Intelligence is innate, whereas knowledge is acquired. Except for historical context, in many instance reading fiction does not provide knowledge. I mean sure reading star wars would provide me knowledge about jedis, but im talking real world practical knowledge. Further, one can acquire far more historical context and knowledge by reading just a fraction of a good history book.

Except while one is learning how to read, I liken reading fiction to anything someone does that they enjoy. Some like to read ... Some like to bowl.
pde

Davis Junction, IL

#129 Jan 23, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
If you equate a Calvin and Hobbs weekly comic strip in a newspaper to a childrens book, YOU'RE not getting it.
First, the authors listed didn't write children's books.

Second, we're talking about something that started when his daughter was 12. Most 12-year-olds are moving beyond young adult literature into adult literature. They're probably not moving into the dense classics like those listed by the father (those start coming about 10th grade), but there are plenty of 12-year-old (girls!) who are getting into reading adult science fiction and fantasy novels for their fun (versus school) reading. In reality, Stranger in a Strange Land, Dune, Foundation, and Xanth were all things I originally read about age 12, and were things that I read because my friends were reading them too. Junior high students are beyond say, Harry Potter, most who are interested read that aged 8-10. Once you've gotten through all the available YA novels between the ages of 8-12ish, the next logical place to go is the adult fiction section.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#130 Jan 23, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>I won't speak for Toj. For me, it is a matter of taste and flexibility. Man-ly men like and do girly things and it has little to do with their masculinity. Rosie Greer doing needlepoint comes to mind (Rosie Greer was an NFL football player for you youngun's). A guy who is confident in himself isn't afraid to try something different without the worry of being lured to the other side whatever that may be.

Don't we have any Jungian psychologists around to spout off on anime / anima.
It's not worry of being lured. It just doesn't interest us or we don't enjoy it.

Lets look to visiting nail salons. For me, I can spend 2 minutes clipping all my nails and maybe use the pumice thing for with a handle on my foot heel for a few minutes every few months or so after I get out of the shower and my feet are good to go. I don't have f'd up gnarly looking feet.

Given this, it just seems dumb that I would spend 15 minutes driving to a nail salon and another 15 minutes back home ... and on too of that spend 30 to 45 minutes at the nail salon ... And in too of that drop 30 bucks ... Just so some Asian woman can do my nails for me.

It sounds completely dumb to me. The only reason I would do so is if like a girl it was something I actually enjoyed doing. I don't tho ... It would be a chore. Just like I don't enjoy shoe shopping or going to the mall for the day with my buds. Those things are chores to me.

Has nothing to do with masculinity or security.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#131 Jan 23, 2013
RACE wrote:
You keep tripping yourself up.
Only in your mind, son.
pde

Davis Junction, IL

#132 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can have a very high reading comprehension ability without reading fiction, regardless of whether said fiction is primarily directed at boys or girls. Except for a few books, I generally do not read fiction ... I generally have never enjoyed reading for fun, unless it is non-fiction and I am acquiring knowledge.
Ok. edog has, at multiple times, demonstrated on this group that he has problems with reading comprehension. That's what I was getting at with my post.

You, on the other hand, I feel quite sure could read and comprehend any of the stated authors without a problem. I'm not one of those getting into the whole question of whether you should or not, or are secure in yourself or not.

Here, I'll throw out what usually confounds anyone who I get into discussions about science fiction/fantasy/classics with. I DESPISE Tolkien. I also despise C.S. Lewis. I can comprehend their novels, doesn't mean I like them or have any desire to force myself to read them ;)
pde

Davis Junction, IL

#133 Jan 23, 2013
And I wish more people could comprehend technical documentation. I have just wasted two days hand-holding people with impressive technical resumes who apparently can't comprehend simple workspace setup and build documentation.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

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#134 Jan 23, 2013
I find there are certain guys on here (Sub and edog for example) whose reading comprehension is sorely lacking.

When they are bored, they obviously twist what the conversation is about and then say the other person is twisting the conversation.

Then Sub gets all Sub-length in his posts and edog thinks he's brilliant b/c he uses a lot of words.

Upset, Sublikme? No. I am laughing at you. Not with you. At you.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#135 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not worry of being lured. It just doesn't interest us or we don't enjoy it.
Lets look to visiting nail salons. For me, I can spend 2 minutes clipping all my nails and maybe use the pumice thing for with a handle on my foot heel for a few minutes every few months or so after I get out of the shower and my feet are good to go. I don't have f'd up gnarly looking feet.
Given this, it just seems dumb that I would spend 15 minutes driving to a nail salon and another 15 minutes back home ... and on too of that spend 30 to 45 minutes at the nail salon ... And in too of that drop 30 bucks ... Just so some Asian woman can do my nails for me.
It sounds completely dumb to me. The only reason I would do so is if like a girl it was something I actually enjoyed doing. I don't tho ... It would be a chore. Just like I don't enjoy shoe shopping or going to the mall for the day with my buds. Those things are chores to me.
Has nothing to do with masculinity or security.
Whose the us? Go back through the posts. We were talking about a man who promised his daughter he would read the books she felt were fabulous and she would read the books he liked as well. That is sharing. He wasn't afraid he suddenly wouldn't be manly if he read a book that interested his daughter.

Nothing about that has anything to do with you. You wouldn't want to make that pact with your daughter? Then don't.

The father was making a connection with his daughter and wasn't worried about his manhood. Suddenly, reading a book a daughter might like to you means he's not a man? I don't know what other conclusion to draw with your knee-jerk, over-the-top reaction to my post. Reading a book that interests a man's daughter would not make him less than a man in my book and the fact that it wouldn't cross his mind makes him more of a man in my eyes than someone who would feel it would affect their manhood.

I stand by my opinion that men who cannot understand that do not have confidence in themselves and constantly have to shout that they are a "man". I question how much a man someone can be if they have to constantly remind people.

You seem to be picking a fight with me and you jumped in the middle of the posts so you're not getting the drift of what is being said. Anyone is entitled to their opinion. That would include you and that would include me -- along with, yes even, edog.:)

What I think of your opinion won't change anything. And I do love to laugh.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#136 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
And I wish more people could comprehend technical documentation. I have just wasted two days hand-holding people with impressive technical resumes who apparently can't comprehend simple workspace setup and build documentation.
Everyone has their strengths. Hope you get people who can help you more than they hinder you.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#137 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. edog has, at multiple times, demonstrated on this group that he has problems with reading comprehension. That's what I was getting at with my post.
You, on the other hand, I feel quite sure could read and comprehend any of the stated authors without a problem. I'm not one of those getting into the whole question of whether you should or not, or are secure in yourself or not.
Here, I'll throw out what usually confounds anyone who I get into discussions about science fiction/fantasy/classics with. I DESPISE Tolkien. I also despise C.S. Lewis. I can comprehend their novels, doesn't mean I like them or have any desire to force myself to read them ;)
For the record, if you go back and read -- my meaning is that if someone feels that a person is not manly b/c he connects with his daughter by reading books she likes and sharing his books with her -- that to me is an insecure person and speaks volumes about that person who believes such a thing.
And if it wasn't clear, well here's an explanation that must have been needed for others to comprehend what I was saying. Not saying it was necessarily the reader, could be the writer -- but whatever.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#138 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
<quoted text>
First, the authors listed didn't write children's books.
Second, we're talking about something that started when his daughter was 12. Most 12-year-olds are moving beyond young adult literature into adult literature. They're probably not moving into the dense classics like those listed by the father (those start coming about 10th grade), but there are plenty of 12-year-old (girls!) who are getting into reading adult science fiction and fantasy novels for their fun (versus school) reading. In reality, Stranger in a Strange Land, Dune, Foundation, and Xanth were all things I originally read about age 12, and were things that I read because my friends were reading them too. Junior high students are beyond say, Harry Potter, most who are interested read that aged 8-10. Once you've gotten through all the available YA novels between the ages of 8-12ish, the next logical place to go is the adult fiction section.
I agree. I would once in awhile read a book assigned to my child when he was in 8th grade. Even those books moved beyond silly kids books and I was happy to see that the school was challenging them.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#139 Jan 23, 2013
I always liked Mary Chesnut's Civil War. It won a Pulitzer Prize.
And most everyone read Anne Frank's diary of a young girl too.
Both were superb authors.
pde

Davis Junction, IL

#140 Jan 23, 2013
Toj wrote:
I find there are certain guys on here (Sub and edog for example) whose reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
When they are bored, they obviously twist what the conversation is about and then say the other person is twisting the conversation.
Then Sub gets all Sub-length in his posts and edog thinks he's brilliant b/c he uses a lot of words.
Upset, Sublikme? No. I am laughing at you. Not with you. At you.
Sub's twisting usually seems to be mainly intentional, on a devil's advocate level. When it's not, you can usually talk him around or agree to disagree. The thing about being a devil's advocate though, is that the comprehension isn't lacking.

edog is not a devil's advocate.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#141 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. edog has, at multiple times, demonstrated on this group that he has problems with reading comprehension.
In actuality, I never have once. I challenge you to find an example.

Rather than simply saying "you just don't understand what I was saying," why don't you actually defend your claims? Or is that too easy?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#142 Jan 23, 2013
pde wrote:
First, the authors listed didn't write children's books.
Girly books, then. What's your point?
pde wrote:
Second, we're talking about something that started when his daughter was 12. Most 12-year-olds are moving beyond young adult literature into adult literature.
If you're letting your 12 year old read 50 Shades of Gray, you've failed as a parent.

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