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#141
Jul 29, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Lose what spot in what line? Do they line up like Taxi's?
Either way, I would have just said I was only waiting for my wife and NO, I would not use another entrance.
Sounded like the sales guys are in a queue. The next one in the queue gets the next customer to walk thru the front door. If that guy ain't buing a car, too bad. He's your customer. Essentially, sending him to the back of the line.

He was not rude. He asked politely. I saw no need to make a stink over the dealer policy. All that would end up happening is that he'd be at the back of the line.

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Yes, but in the scheme of things not getting waited on in a timely manner in a store is pretty inconsequential and in most situations the person feeling that way is partially to blame because they can easily rectify the situation by being more assertive.
Yes, but when it happens all the time at almost any store you go to, it's a pattern, and it's annoying. I am a customer, I have money, I am standing here, and the sales people are doing a circle jerk because they are waiting for a man (you know, a REAL customer) to come in the store in order to DO THEIR JOB and wait on the customer that's right in front of them. I am the customer, it's not MY job to get their attention, it is THEIR job to help me.

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#143
Jul 29, 2013
 
I dont get many walkups (maybe 1 every couple of months) It will be different vendors, but all want to be my tv company. The get this kinda slack jawed look when I tell them I dont have a tv company, and I only have over the air.

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It's the violation! Why cant someone respect a "No Soliciting" sign. Clearly they dont even know what the word means. Maybe she should get a sign that reads
"Dont leave any flyers on my danm door!" And she probably already has the doormat the reads "Go Away!"
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<quoted text>Sounds like you need a drink. Or a valium. Or some weed. Really? A rage? Over having to toss a piece of paper in the trash?

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Damn, thats harsh! I would cut the guy a break and not do that to him either. But I would send an email to the dealership saying I would not be visiting their dealership again. I mean if you cant even browse without feeling like your ruining someone's chance to make a commission...Screw that, I will go someplace else.
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<quoted text>Sounded like the sales guys are in a queue. The next one in the queue gets the next customer to walk thru the front door. If that guy ain't buing a car, too bad. He's your customer. Essentially, sending him to the back of the line.
He was not rude. He asked politely. I saw no need to make a stink over the dealer policy. All that would end up happening is that he'd be at the back of the line.

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I don't believe most management in a sales environment believe women's money is not as good as mens, such that this attitude is predominate. I don't doubt that it happens ... but I don't agree with her that it makes sense that it should be the norm or that it is the norm. I think where it arises it's mostly because you have salesmen who are misogynists.
Management likes everyone's money, however they have the thought process that men control the money and the purchasing decisions. It's like they totally don't even think that a woman might not *be* with a man, might have her *own* money from you know her job and she wants to spend it *how she pleases* and doesn't need a man to decide for her. It's just a very ingrained patriarchal way of thinking.

Here's the thing, there are several women, right here in this discussion, from all different parts of the country, different ages, back grounds, jobs, etc., who are saying this is a real thing that happens all the time. You are not Edog. You are smarter than that. Believe what we say when we say that this is an insidious thing that happens because of a generalized misogynistic attitude.

Trust us when we say that we *do* make a point of asking for help even though we shouldn't have to because it's not *our* job to get a sales person to wait on us, and have faith in the fact that we are sick and tired of needing to do that when all we want to do is be seen as a source of revenue for the merchant the same way that men are, and be treated accordingly.

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#147
Jul 29, 2013
 
I get ya, like when I am at the register and the clerk answers the phone instead of dealing with me! HEY! I was here first, ignore the phone and tend to me!
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Yes, but when it happens all the time at almost any store you go to, it's a pattern, and it's annoying. I am a customer, I have money, I am standing here, and the sales people are doing a circle jerk because they are waiting for a man (you know, a REAL customer) to come in the store in order to DO THEIR JOB and wait on the customer that's right in front of them. I am the customer, it's not MY job to get their attention, it is THEIR job to help me.

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RACE wrote:
It's the violation! Why cant someone respect a "No Soliciting" sign. Clearly they dont even know what the word means. Maybe she should get a sign that reads
"Dont leave any flyers on my danm door!" And she probably already has the doormat the reads "Go Away!"
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having a flyer on my door seems like a really minor thing to get worked up about. Sign or no sign, i don't see that as any more of a violation than junk mail delivered by the usps. To me, no solicitation is for people knocling on my door taking up my time

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#149
Jul 29, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>It shouldn't? It's certainly not a universal rule, but I think its safe to say that a young male is likely to know more about electronics than his mother. I don't know how old you or your son are, but I do get the impression that you are older than me(41) and I can say with certainty, I don't personally know any women older than me that have much knowledge about electronics(other than my former boss, but she was in IT).
I know stuff. Lots of stuff actually. So does my sister. We are both older than you.

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#150
Jul 29, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
Lose what spot in what line? Do they line up like Taxi's?
Either way, I would have just said I was only waiting for my wife and NO, I would not use another entrance.
Yes. My father sold furniture and appliances for most of his work life. There is a rotation. They called them "up's" as in who is up next. It forestalls arguments among the sales staff who are on commission about whose customer it is. As I recall, if you were tech next up and you are still working with a customer the next guy in the rotation gets the customer.There wee lots of other rules too like when a customer came in asking for a specific salesman or if they were a return customer who had been just looking but not purchased the last time.

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#151
Jul 29, 2013
 
RACE wrote:
I get ya, like when I am at the register and the clerk answers the phone instead of dealing with me! HEY! I was here first, ignore the phone and tend to me!
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I don't mind them answering it and putting it on hold/transferring/telling them when they are closing and hanging up. But when they proceed to have a conversation, check for a product, do general customer service while I'm RIGHT THERE paying for stuff...I will (and have) walk(ed) away leaving everything there for them to deal with/put back. You have a customer in front of you, they take priority over a phone call. Period.

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#152
Jul 29, 2013
 
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I know stuff. Lots of stuff actually. So does my sister. We are both older than you.
Are you the norm? The majority? Do most of you peers "know stuff"? Not saying that sales people should ignore you, but I don't think Toj should be surprised that the salesperson is surprised that she knows more about electronics than her son.
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#153
Jul 29, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>truegreen, guys driving around wanting to paint your house number on the curb, Direct TV, and the worst of the worst ADT security.
Ask the ADT guys for a sticker--one of them will eventually give you one. And then put it in the front window. The security guys stopped bugging us after that. And no, we do not have a security system.
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#154
Jul 29, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>But the places that have been cited as examples: hardware, electronics, guitar shop.
I don't think its a stretch to think that those purchases are predominantly made by males
I recalled this after I made my earlier posts: the worst recent experience I have had was REALTORS.

I am the one with home renovation experience. I am the one who will be using the kitchen and the laundry room. If I tell you your client totally f-ed up the flow of the kitchen with their bad remodel and there's no way in heck I'm going to be buying this house, don't go after my husband. He will laugh at you and toss the paper back at you.

Which he did. Good husband ;)
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#155
Jul 29, 2013
 
And, for the record, the particular realtor had a whole spiel about how the kitchen now had proper feng shui, which made me want to collapse laughing.

It had proper feng shui if you never used it.

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#156
Jul 29, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>But the places that have been cited as examples: hardware, electronics, guitar shop.
I don't think its a stretch to think that those purchases are predominantly made by males
I could see the man being the point guy if they are in a store such as that as a couple, but not when she's alone. If a woman is in such a store by herself, she's obviously there to buy something. It's not something my wife has ever complained of at least.

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#157
Jul 29, 2013
 
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I recalled this after I made my earlier posts: the worst recent experience I have had was REALTORS.
I am the one with home renovation experience. I am the one who will be using the kitchen and the laundry room. If I tell you your client totally f-ed up the flow of the kitchen with their bad remodel and there's no way in heck I'm going to be buying this house, don't go after my husband. He will laugh at you and toss the paper back at you.
Which he did. Good husband ;)
He's not an idiot. Happy wife, happy life.

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#158
Jul 29, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Are you the norm? The majority? Do most of you peers "know stuff"? Not saying that sales people should ignore you, but I don't think Toj should be surprised that the salesperson is surprised that she knows more about electronics than her son.
Probably not, but still as a customer, the sales people might want to assume that I know stuff, have money, want to buy stuff, and treat me accordingly. Even if I don't know stuff, they should do their job and treat me as a customer who wants to buy stuff from their establishment thus ensuring their continued employment.

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#159
Jul 29, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. I seem to have missed quite a busy day. Just catching up and this is the thing that stuck out to me the most I as was reading thru edogg disregarding a woman's need to be cautious.
This seems like some high maintenance BS to me. Maybe in 1978, before everyone and their mother had voice mail, it would be more of an issue to take into account whether the other person would be available when you call. But in 2013 that is a non-issue. If I have a call to make, I don't give on second's thought as to whether or not the other person might be busy. I assume if my call comes at a convenient time, the other person will answer and if it is inconvenient, they will not and I will leave a message for them to call me back when it is convenient to them.
This guy supposedly KNEW she was in church so he should have called later when it was more convenient to her? Perhaps later was not convenient to him and therefore instead of pushing the call off even further, he called and left a message? If someone I was trying to date took offense to that, I'd happily lose her number.
I totally agree with this. A phone call is a request to talk to you. It can never be a demand.

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I could see the man being the point guy if they are in a store such as that as a couple, but not when she's alone. If a woman is in such a store by herself, she's obviously there to buy something. It's not something my wife has ever complained of at least.
I disagree. I think they should treat them as a couple. Two people who came in the store to buy something. Talk to them both. The best sales people do IMNSHO.

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