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#101
Jul 29, 2013
 
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Best Buy used to be pretty terrible about women-profiling. I'd go in wanting specific hardware, having investigated what I needed and what I wanted, and be pushed hard toward the more expensive but poor quality stuff. This was more than one store, over many years. Years after I stopped going there altogether, I read an article about the stereotype training they would give the floor employees (how to interact with particular "stereotypes" of customers). I have no idea if they still do it because I don't go to Best Buy anymore.
Door-to-door salespeople are also pretty terrible and pushy with me, more so than I've noticed them being with my husband. They tend to be respectful with my husband while they like to do things like trying to block me from shutting the door with their foot.
I didn't think anyone other than Scouts, petition people and religious pamphlet people went door to door anymore with the expectation that someone would open up.
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Whaaaaa. Maybe us men should whine about how women get out of speeding tickets more often than we do.
You know, I have never managed to get out of a speeding ticket. And I've watched my husband get out of multiple tickets.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
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Not saying you whine but a lot of men do whine about those things.
Yes, but in the scheme of things not getting waited on in a timely manner in a store is pretty inconsequential and in most situations the person feeling that way is partially to blame because they can easily rectify the situation by being more assertive.

For example if I felt I wasn't being attended to, I would walk up to a salesperson and say I need help with something and while I could understand them putting me briefly on the back burner if they were busy with someone if they kept jerking me around I'd walk up to them again and say, yo, remember me ... wtf do I need to do to get some service and be highly annoyed with him or her and it would show? I wouldn't care if I felt the salesperson thought I was being a d'... don't care if I have to be a d'. I think many women have this fear of making someone unhappy with them. So they do what Squishy and her friend did (passive aggressive). F' passive, just be aggressive when the situation calls for it.

I'm not standing around a store waiting for someone to help me ... my time is just as important as that of anyone else ... so if I feel I am being treated in that manner, I'm gonna find the salesperson and grab the bull by the horns instead of whining about it.

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#104
Jul 29, 2013
 
Someone's always thinking of my d'.

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Someone's always thinking of my d'.
And some are always NOT thinking of it lol

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Yes, but in the scheme of things not getting waited on in a timely manner in a store is pretty inconsequential and in most situations the person feeling that way is partially to blame because they can easily rectify the situation by being more assertive.
For example if I felt I wasn't being attended to, I would walk up to a salesperson and say I need help with something and while I could understand them putting me briefly on the back burner if they were busy with someone if they kept jerking me around I'd walk up to them again and say, yo, remember me ... wtf do I need to do to get some service and be highly annoyed with him or her and it would show? I wouldn't care if I felt the salesperson thought I was being a d'... don't care if I have to be a d'. I think many women have this fear of making someone unhappy with them. So they do what Squishy and her friend did (passive aggressive). F' passive, just be aggressive when the situation calls for it.
I'm not standing around a store waiting for someone to help me ... my time is just as important as that of anyone else ... so if I feel I am being treated in that manner, I'm gonna find the salesperson and grab the bull by the horns instead of whining about it.
She tried repeatedly to ask for help, get someone's attention, short of walking around the display counter to get the strings herself. Every single salesboy looked at her like she had three heads or leprosy or was speaking in a foreign language. She was not going to get help that day in that store no matter what she did.

It's very hard to be aggressive with a salesperson who does not acknowledge your existence.
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Jul 29, 2013
 
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I didn't think anyone other than Scouts, petition people and religious pamphlet people went door to door anymore with the expectation that someone would open up.
Out by us, we get the pest control guys, landscaping companies trying to sell annual contracts, trugreen/whatever the other one is called, companies trying to get you to blacktop your driveway, and other random stuff that is similar. They tend to come through in the early evening now, starting about 5pm through 8pm.

And yes, we have a no solicitors sign.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
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She tried repeatedly to ask for help, get someone's attention, short of walking around the display counter to get the strings herself. Every single salesboy looked at her like she had three heads or leprosy or was speaking in a foreign language. She was not going to get help that day in that store no matter what she did.
It's very hard to be aggressive with a salesperson who does not acknowledge your existence.
Sometimes you gotta go all b1tch on folks. I'd read the sales person the riot act and ask to speak to a manager. However, I honestly find it hard to believe that an entire store of salespeople are misogynists to that degree.

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Ricky F wrote:
<quoted text>And some are always NOT thinking of it lol
Only some of the time? Bwahahaha

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#110
Jul 29, 2013
 
Asking to speak to a manager is my wife's approach when she feels she is not being attended to properly. It is very effective.

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pde wrote:
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Out by us, we get the pest control guys, landscaping companies trying to sell annual contracts, trugreen/whatever the other one is called, companies trying to get you to blacktop your driveway, and other random stuff that is similar. They tend to come through in the early evening now, starting about 5pm through 8pm.
And yes, we have a no solicitors sign.
Interesting.
A few years back I was staying wit some friends ( formerly from Chicago suburbs) in one of the Dallas suburbs. A door to door vacuum cleaner salesman rang the bell. We let him give his spiel. He put on quite a show- it was fascinating. He didn't make the sale- my friends had just moved in and money was tight but it was fun to watch. Couldn't happen up here though.
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Interesting.
A few years back I was staying wit some friends ( formerly from Chicago suburbs) in one of the Dallas suburbs. A door to door vacuum cleaner salesman rang the bell. We let him give his spiel. He put on quite a show- it was fascinating. He didn't make the sale- my friends had just moved in and money was tight but it was fun to watch. Couldn't happen up here though.
I'm in the northwest Chicago suburbs. Years ago, there weren't this many of them, or they weren't coming by in the evenings. Since the recession, you can just watch them walk the subdivision in the evening. There's usually at least two out most nights from May through October.

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Sometimes you gotta go all b1tch on folks. I'd read the sales person the riot act and ask to speak to a manager. However, I honestly find it hard to believe that an entire store of salespeople are misogynists to that degree.
Actually it makes ;more sense that most or all of the sales people are like that. It's more about a climate endorsed by management.

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I'm in the northwest Chicago suburbs. Years ago, there weren't this many of them, or they weren't coming by in the evenings. Since the recession, you can just watch them walk the subdivision in the evening. There's usually at least two out most nights from May through October.
we get a lot of fliers tucked in teh door, but no bell-ringing. there was one recently where the kid rang the bell and was gone before i was out of hte family room at the back of the house. if we're not expecting anyone, we look out a window to see who it is. if it's not a delivery person, a scout/kid with a parent, or someone we know, we don't answer the door.

one day the bell rang as hubby was yelling someohting from teh office. then i heard something in there about P and N (N being a 3YO neighbor). so i got the door without looking. it was our neighbors, who came up the driveway (and hubby heard them) to visit Auntie AS and Uncle Hubby...

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#115
Jul 29, 2013
 
Really? I'd slam that door so hard his foot would crack in 2. Then I would chop the damn thing off.
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<quoted text> while they like to do things like trying to block me from shutting the door with their foot.
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Aisle Sitter wrote:
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we get a lot of fliers tucked in teh door, but no bell-ringing. there was one recently where the kid rang the bell and was gone before i was out of hte family room at the back of the house. if we're not expecting anyone, we look out a window to see who it is. if it's not a delivery person, a scout/kid with a parent, or someone we know, we don't answer the door.
We get lots of flyers too. Usually, there's quite a few tucked in when we get home each day.

I think my neighborhood has become a target because a bunch of my neighbors DO buy the services from the door-to-door salespeople. They confuse me. For example, they have gotten taken by the diluted blacktop scam before, and yet, the next year around they accept some other guy's weird story and it happens again.

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Jul 29, 2013
 
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Actually it makes ;more sense that most or all of the sales people are like that. It's more about a climate endorsed by management.
Why does it make sense? Women don't buy things?

I think women have more buying power then men in this country.

My wife does the vast majority of shopping for our family ... probably 95%. I'd say that is pretty normal for most married couples, i.e. that the woman is the one who does most of the shopping.

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#118
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Why does it make sense? Women don't buy things?
I think women have more buying power then men in this country.
My wife does the vast majority of shopping for our family ... probably 95%. I'd say that is pretty normal for most married couples, i.e. that the woman is the one who does most of the shopping.
I believe Red means that the sales people will take on the viewpoint of management b/c that is the environment of the place.

It goes to follow, then, that in a store where the management does not hold that viewpoint it would be different.

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#119
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I believe Red means that the sales people will take on the viewpoint of management b/c that is the environment of the place.
It goes to follow, then, that in a store where the management does not hold that viewpoint it would be different.
I don't believe most management in a sales environment believe women's money is not as good as mens, such that this attitude is predominate. I don't doubt that it happens ... but I don't agree with her that it makes sense that it should be the norm or that it is the norm. I think where it arises it's mostly because you have salesmen who are misogynists.

I can also see it arising more so in big ticket item sales, but that's mostly because like in my relationship with my wife, men tend to take a more active role in those purchases. My wife isn't buying a car without me there, but for day to day things and small purchases (which when you add them all up are much of our spending) she is the one making the purchasing decisions and have I no input, nor do I care to have any input.
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#120
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Doesn't really matter. As a guy, if you are interested in dating a woman, you have to play by her rules, including waiting until she's comfortable with ya.
Some women are going to be more cautious than others. I don't know why you have such an issue with this.
My wife warmed up to immediately, but had she not, it would not have mattered to me because I know she'd soon realize she has nothing to worry about with me. The only guys who should find a woman being cautious problematic are those who a) are not nice guys and are looking for someone they can quickly take advantage of or b) are just looking for a quick hook up and don't wanna go through any sort of courtship period to prove their intentions are good and that they will treat her right.
When it comes to women in my life, including my sis, I'd prefer they err a bit on the side of caution, because you just can't be sure of a strangers intentions. If a guy isn't willing to spend a handful of dates building trust, good for the woman for having enough self confidence to kick him to the curb.
A huge AMEN to this.

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