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Cass

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#21 Aug 4, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Some people are not that scared of being off the grid. My grandparents had just such a "shack" till they day he died. Grandmother might still own it. Drove out of the city to the country. Would leave the car on the side of the road and walk the rest of the way in.I gave not ben theresince I was a child, but my memory tells me it was a minimum 10-20 minute walk. Cellphones did not exist. House had no land line. No electricity. Gas cooking. He kept chickens. So when we stayed, we ate chicken, eggs, and fruit from his trees.
It's fine if it's your cup of tea, but then you have to accept the potential risks. I bet more people died (and still do) after accidents that happen in the boonies without phone service. If one finds the risk acceptable, all the power to them. And I do think it's fine for people in their prime of health and without young kids because the likelihood of something really bad happening is rather low. For those who have young kids or who are older themselves, the risk assessment is up to them.

By the way, my dad died at the ripe old age of 57 (many years ago) from a stroke. He and my mom were at their cabin without a landline. They both loved the rustic stuff! They had no cell phones at that time (mid-90s). If she'd called 911, she would have gotten him to the hospital within an hour to 90 minutes, and he could have possibly recovered. But there was no phone, she couldn't get him in the car by herself (although she tried), and he couldn't walk. By the time she got help, he was beyond recovery.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#22 Aug 4, 2014
Toj wrote:
I didn't read that one I don't think. Is it any good? I'll check to see if I can get it electronically. His books are good train reading.
I have not read a grisham book that I did not enjoy. The one I am talking about is The Testament

“I Am Mine”

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#23 Aug 4, 2014
Cass wrote:
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It's fine if it's your cup of tea, but then you have to accept the potential risks.
That was the point I was getting at. Lw was not complaining about the risk of not having a connection, but really more concerned with the etiquette of going thru her sick friend's things to find her medication. Your original response was simply "YOU MUST" have a land line. Thus is similar to the helmet/seatbelt discussion. You should be free to determine you in risk tolerance.

Sorry to hear about how your father died, but obviously that event played a big role in determining where the line is for you. We don't all have the same line.

“I Am Mine”

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#24 Aug 4, 2014
Hate auto correct.

'Determine your own '

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#25 Aug 4, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
Hate auto correct.
'Determine your own '
Tonka- is there a way to set autocorrect in Firefox so that every time I type teh it automatically shows as the?

I have googled it and gone through FF Help and damned if I can figure it out.

Thanks

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#26 Aug 4, 2014
Just add it to your dictionary and be done with it.
PEllen wrote:
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Tonka- is there a way to set autocorrect in Firefox so that every time I type teh it automatically shows as the?
I have googled it and gone through FF Help and damned if I can figure it out.
Thanks
Cass

Pomona, CA

#27 Aug 4, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>That was the point I was getting at. Lw was not complaining about the risk of not having a connection, but really more concerned with the etiquette of going thru her sick friend's things to find her medication. Your original response was simply "YOU MUST" have a land line. Thus is similar to the helmet/seatbelt discussion. You should be free to determine you in risk tolerance.
Sorry to hear about how your father died, but obviously that event played a big role in determining where the line is for you. We don't all have the same line.
Well, I was expressing my very strong personal opinion. I think it's dumb not to have an operational telephone line (cell is fine if you are in an area where there is normal reception). Of course, if there is no law against them, people are free to do dumb things (like ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or not wear a seatbelt in a moving vehicle, or move out to the boonies and live in a bunker without a telephone), as far as I am concerned. That doesn't stop me from thinking they are dumb. You are free to disagree.:-)

I know LW was not concerned with her lack of telephone connection, but with the etiquette of going through somebody's private things to find a necessary medication. However, she did mention the fact that (a) they couldn't call 911 and (b) they were an hour away from the nearest hospital. I was responding to that part of the letter even though she didn't ask about it.

It's like when somebody writes, "My boyfriend beats me up all the time. What's the best concealer to cover up the bruises?" I am not going to say, "Try Jergens BB body cream." I am going to say, "Dump the boyfriend and run like crazy."

“I Am Mine”

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#28 Aug 4, 2014
I don't use FF, so I can't give you instructions, but search for firefox spell check dictionary. You should be able to add/edit spell check dictionaries

“...,to wit”

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#29 Aug 4, 2014
Cass wrote:
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Well, I was expressing my very strong personal opinion. I think it's dumb not to have an operational telephone line (cell is fine if you are in an area where there is normal reception). Of course, if there is no law against them, people are free to do dumb things (like ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or not wear a seatbelt in a moving vehicle, or move out to the boonies and live in a bunker without a telephone), as far as I am concerned. That doesn't stop me from thinking they are dumb. You are free to disagree.:-)
I know LW was not concerned with her lack of telephone connection, but with the etiquette of going through somebody's private things to find a necessary medication. However, she did mention the fact that (a) they couldn't call 911 and (b) they were an hour away from the nearest hospital. I was responding to that part of the letter even though she didn't ask about it.
It's like when somebody writes, "My boyfriend beats me up all the time. What's the best concealer to cover up the bruises?" I am not going to say, "Try Jergens BB body cream." I am going to say, "Dump the boyfriend and run like crazy."
My sister and BIL have a house in rural SW Wisconsin which is pretty much out of range for cell phones. They don't have a land line. One of the neighbors gave them access to his WiFi.

My BIL is a handy guy, loves doing wood work (Race and he would be good buds). Not long after they bought the place, before they knew where anything was located, he cut his hand pretty bad. They drove over to the neighbor who offered her land line to call the volunteer ambulance guys and offer directions to the nearest ERs. No big deal. People spent and some of us do still spend time not being instantly connected and we live to tell the tale.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#30 Aug 4, 2014
Cass wrote:
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...It's like when somebody writes, "My boyfriend beats me up all the time. What's the best concealer to cover up the bruises?" I am not going to say, "Try Jergens BB body cream." I am going to say, "Dump the boyfriend and run like crazy."
Best analogy EVER.:D
Cass

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#31 Aug 5, 2014
PEllen wrote:
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My sister and BIL have a house in rural SW Wisconsin which is pretty much out of range for cell phones. They don't have a land line. One of the neighbors gave them access to his WiFi.
My BIL is a handy guy, loves doing wood work (Race and he would be good buds). Not long after they bought the place, before they knew where anything was located, he cut his hand pretty bad. They drove over to the neighbor who offered her land line to call the volunteer ambulance guys and offer directions to the nearest ERs. No big deal. People spent and some of us do still spend time not being instantly connected and we live to tell the tale.
I know that for some people it's perfectly within their comfort level. I know things workout most of the time. I just still think it's not particularly smart to be off the grid IF you are older and/or have potentially life-threatening health issues.

There used to be no vaccinations for childhood diseases either, and most people who got the measles or mumps not only lived to tell the tale, but didn't develop disabilities either. In the 10 years before widespread measles vaccination in the U.S., about 4 million people in the country got measles, but only about 400 - 500 of them died, and only about 1,000 developed permanent disabilities. The vast majority by far got over the illness just fine. I still see not vaccinating your kids as pretty dumb. Why take chances (however minuscule), when you don't have to?

For me, the same goes with having a quiet place of retreat "far from the madding crowd." Sure, have one. Having a landline does not mean you have to be constantly connected. You can keep the number completely private, you can have your number unlisted, you can have only basic service, you can even unplug the phone unless you need it. But from my personal point of view, having the ability to call 911 is one of the key safety issues.
Pippa

Hancock, NY

#32 Aug 5, 2014
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>What if the house is off the grid and there is no land line service in the area?
This. She said they have a lake house and invited these friends to join them for a few days. I immediately assumed this is their vacation place, not their regular home. How many folks go camping in the forest/mountains/or some other remote place away from the hustle and bustle of civilization? People think of this as a break from the problems of every day life and they don't want to pay for a phone line they rarely use if there even is phone (land line) or electric service in the area and in some places there is neither. The thing to do is to find out before it's needed where the closest cell coverage can be found in case of an emergency. It's like going to a motel/hotel and finding out where the exits are in case of a fire before you go to bed.

In any case, the lw's guest was at fault for not keeping track of her blood sugar and not giving her friends the needed information before it was needed. She may have been used to depending on her husband but she should have realized his own illness makes him less able to be available to help her. I agree with others that in such an emergency, the lw would be within her rights to look through her friend's belongings to find the meds.

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