Jesus in China: Christianity's rapid rise

Rev. Jin Mingri peered out from the pulpit and delivered an unusual appeal: "Please leave," the 39-year-old pastor commanded his followers, who were packed, standing-room-only on a Sunday afternoon, into a ... Full Story
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epep

Swindon, UK

#1947 May 20, 2013
I find the current most known Christianity not that apprealing. Some people say that the current most known Christianity is probably modified by the western elite to make it more difficult for people to achieve spiritual enlightenment. The current most known Christianity says that people who sin will go to hell forever.
I personally do NOT want anybody to go to hell forever. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished proportionatley. Meaning I prefer that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong.

Now about a currently less known form of Christianity called Gnostics Christianity. I respect Gnostics Christianity because Gnostics Christianity is similar to Buddhism. Gnostics Christianity does NOT believe that sinners go to hell forever. Gnostics Christianity believes that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. Gnostics Christianity says that people get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as a human.

What Gnostics Christians believe : " According to Pistis Sophia, some souls do experience hell as a shadowy place of torture where they go after death. But after passing through this hell, the souls return for further experiences on earth. Only a few extremely wicked souls are not allowed to reincarnate. These are cast into "outer darkness" until the time when they are destined to be "destroyed and dissolved". "

Gnostics Christianity seems to be fair.

I would NOT want anybody's souls to be in Hell forever.

Gnostic Christianity says that people that have done wrong get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong and then they get reincarnated back as human to live on Earth.

But I also would NOT want extremely evil people's souls to be in Hell forever.

Gnostics Christianity says that the extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.

I think that it is fair that extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.
epep

Swindon, UK

#1948 May 20, 2013


I find the current most known Christianity not that apprealing. Some people say that the current most known Christianity is probably modified by the western elite to make it more difficult for people to achieve spiritual enlightenment. The current most known Christianity says that people who sin will go to hell forever.
I personally do NOT want anybody to go to hell forever. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished proportionatley. Meaning I prefer that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong.

Now about a currently less known form of Christianity called Gnostics Christianity. I respect Gnostics Christianity because Gnostics Christianity is similar to Buddhism. Gnostics Christianity does NOT believe that sinners go to hell forever. Gnostics Christianity believes that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. Gnostics Christianity says that people get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as a human.

What Gnostics Christians believe : " According to Pistis Sophia, some souls do experience hell as a shadowy place of torture where they go after death. But after passing through this hell, the souls return for further experiences on earth. Only a few extremely wicked souls are not allowed to reincarnate. These are cast into "outer darkness" until the time when they are destined to be "destroyed and dissolved". "

Gnostics Christianity seems to be fair.

Gnostic Christianity says people that have done wrong get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong and then they get reincarnated back as human to live on Earth.

And that the extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.

But I would NOT want anybody's souls, including extremely evil people's souls, to be in Hell forever. I would NOT want extremely evil people's souls to be in Hell forever.

I think that it is fair that extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.
epep

Swindon, UK

#1949 May 20, 2013
I find the current most known Christianity not that apprealing. Some people say that the current most known Christianity is probably modified by the western elite to make it more difficult for people to achieve spiritual enlightenment. The current most known Christianity says that people who sin will go to hell forever.
I personally do NOT want anybody to go to hell forever. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished proportionatley. Meaning I prefer that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong.

Now about a currently less known form of Christianity called Gnostics Christianity. I respect Gnostics Christianity because Gnostics Christianity is similar to Buddhism. Gnostics Christianity does NOT believe that sinners go to hell forever. Gnostics Christianity believes that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. Gnostics Christianity says that people get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as a human.

What Gnostics Christians believe : " According to Pistis Sophia, some souls do experience hell as a shadowy place of torture where they go after death. But after passing through this hell, the souls return for further experiences on earth. Only a few extremely wicked souls are not allowed to reincarnate. These are cast into "outer darkness" until the time when they are destined to be "destroyed and dissolved". "

Gnostics Christianity seems to be fair.

I would NOT want anybody's souls to be in Hell forever.

Gnostic Christianity says that people that have done wrong get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong and then they get reincarnated back as human to live on Earth.

But I also would NOT want extremely evil people's souls to be in Hell forever.

Gnostics Christianity says that the extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.

I think that it is fair that extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1950 Jun 12, 2013
epep wrote:
I find the current most known Christianity not that apprealing. Some people say that the current most known Christianity is probably modified by the western elite to make it more difficult for people to achieve spiritual enlightenment. The current most known Christianity says that people who sin will go to hell forever.
I personally do NOT want anybody to go to hell forever. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished proportionatley. Meaning I prefer that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong.
Now about a currently less known form of Christianity called Gnostics Christianity. I respect Gnostics Christianity because Gnostics Christianity is similar to Buddhism. Gnostics Christianity does NOT believe that sinners go to hell forever. Gnostics Christianity believes that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. Gnostics Christianity says that people get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as a human.
What Gnostics Christians believe : " According to Pistis Sophia, some souls do experience hell as a shadowy place of torture where they go after death. But after passing through this hell, the souls return for further experiences on earth. Only a few extremely wicked souls are not allowed to reincarnate. These are cast into "outer darkness" until the time when they are destined to be "destroyed and dissolved". "
Gnostics Christianity seems to be fair.
I would NOT want anybody's souls to be in Hell forever.
Gnostic Christianity says that people that have done wrong get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong and then they get reincarnated back as human to live on Earth.
But I also would NOT want extremely evil people's souls to be in Hell forever.
Gnostics Christianity says that the extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.
I think that it is fair that extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.
Don't worry. There is neither heaven nor hell. Hell was created by the institutionalized Christian church. If you use the Hindu logic you will understand that Our Heavenly Father, the Creator of the Universe, who is all Love, all Kindness, all Goodness, does not have the heart to punish His creatures. Instead, we should be fearful of our own conscience who will be remorseful when facing all Love, all Kindness, all Goodness and who will be hurting us for eternity so much that one would wish there was Hell.
CCP are LIARS

Surrey, Canada

#1951 Jun 12, 2013
From :http://www.christianitytoday. com/ct/2013/february-web-only/ how-china-plans-to-wipe-out-ho use-churches.html

How China Plans to Wipe Out House Churches

Report: Govt.-sponsored persecution rose 42 percent in 2012.

Morning Star News [ posted 2/18/2013 10:04AM ]
JONATHAN SARUK / GETTY
China's Christians felt a noticeable rise in persecution in 2012 as the Communist government began the first of a three-phase plan to eradicate unregistered house churches, a new report says.
Incidents of persecution of Christians rose by about 42 percent last year compared with 2011, according to the report by human rights group China Aid. Many of these incidents involved groups of Christians. In total, the number of individual persecuted Christians rose by roughly 14 percent and total individual detentions increased by nearly 12 percent. China Aid said overall total persecution in six categories was about 13 percent worse than in 2011—though China Aid termed its statistics just "the tip of the iceberg."
At least 132 incidents of persecution affecting 4,919 Christians—442 of whom were clergy—were reported in the country last year, according to China Aid's annual report. The Texas-based group tracked detention of at least 1,441 Christians, the sentencing of nine of them, and the abuse (verbal, mental and physical, including beatings and torture) of 37 Christians.
...
CCP are LIARS

Surrey, Canada

#1952 Jun 12, 2013
...
Beijing, administered directly under the central government, witnessed the highest number of persecution cases, at 62, affecting 934 Christians; Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in northwest China followed with at 11 cases involving 382 Christians. Persecution was also high in central China—comprising Henan and Hubei Hunan provinces—where 1,056 Christians were affected, and in east China, which includes Shandong, Anhui, Zhejiang, Jiangsu and Jiangxi provinces, which witnessed harassment of 750 Christians.
The report also notes that persecution last year was 61 percent worse than in 2010; 85 percent worse than in 2009; 120 percent worse than in 2008; 308 percent worse than in 2007; and 372 percent worse than in 2006.
Ending Unregistered House Churches
The recent appointment of Xi Jinping as the new leader of China's Communist Party has made no difference in treatment of Christians, said a member of the Shouwang Church in Beijing, a congregation authorities have harassed for more than two years.
"I recently went to see the founding pastor, Jin Tianming, and his wife [under house arrest since April 2011] in their rented apartment in west Beijing," the source told Morning Star News. "I was not allowed to enter their home, and the pastor was not allowed to go outside. We chatted for a while at their home's doorway, as two plainclothes police officers watched."
Pastor Tianming was granted the right to do his workout outside his apartment every afternoon from November 2011 to early January this year. But since he attended a Shouwang weekly evening prayer meeting in the rented facility of Xinshu (New Tree) Church, a sister congregation of Shouwang, after jogging on the afternoon on Jan. 9, Tianming has not been allowed to leave his home.
The continued rise of persecution is not the only dynamic raising serious concerns; authorities have targeted unregistered house churches in a planned manner, according to the China Aid report. In 2008 and 2009, officials "targeted house church leaders and churches in urban areas," China Aid notes. In 2010, they "attacked Christian human rights lawyers groups and using abuse, torture and mafia tactics." The focus in 2011 was on increasing the intensity of attacks against Christians and house churches.
In 2012, a new three-phase approach was adopted to wipe out unregistered house churches, which the government saw as a hostile group of dissenters, and force them to join the official Three-Self Patriotic Movement (TSPM) church system. In the first phase, from January 2012 to June, the State Administration for Religious Affairs (SARA) secretly investigated house churches across the country and created files on them, the report says. This was followed by a wave of crackdowns on house churches, which has continued into 2013, as part of the second phase. The second phase will also entail strongly encouraging unregistered churches to become part of the TSPM—at which point they would become known as "house gatherings," with the government banning the term "house churches."
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1953 Sep 27, 2013
CCP are LIARS wrote:
...
Beijing, administered directly under the central government, witnessed the highest number of persecution cases, at 62, affecting 934 Christians; Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in northwest China followed with at 11 cases involving 382 Christians. Persecution was also high in central China—comprising Henan and Hubei Hunan provinces—where 1,056 Christians were affected, and in east China, which includes Shandong, Anhui, Zhejiang, Jiangsu and Jiangxi provinces, which witnessed harassment of 750 Christians.
The report also notes that persecution last year was 61 percent worse than in 2010; 85 percent worse than in 2009; 120 percent worse than in 2008; 308 percent worse than in 2007; and 372 percent worse than in 2006.
Ending Unregistered House Churches
The recent appointment of Xi Jinping as the new leader of China's Communist Party has made no difference in treatment of Christians, said a member of the Shouwang Church in Beijing, a congregation authorities have harassed for more than two years.
"I recently went to see the founding pastor, Jin Tianming, and his wife [under house arrest since April 2011] in their rented apartment in west Beijing," the source told Morning Star News. "I was not allowed to enter their home, and the pastor was not allowed to go outside. We chatted for a while at their home's doorway, as two plainclothes police officers watched."
Pastor Tianming was granted the right to do his workout outside his apartment every afternoon from November 2011 to early January this year. But since he attended a Shouwang weekly evening prayer meeting in the rented facility of Xinshu (New Tree) Church, a sister congregation of Shouwang, after jogging on the afternoon on Jan. 9, Tianming has not been allowed to leave his home.
The continued rise of persecution is not the only dynamic raising serious concerns; authorities have targeted unregistered house churches in a planned manner, according to the China Aid report. In 2008 and 2009, officials "targeted house church leaders and churches in urban areas," China Aid notes. In 2010, they "attacked Christian human rights lawyers groups and using abuse, torture and mafia tactics." The focus in 2011 was on increasing the intensity of attacks against Christians and house churches.
In 2012, a new three-phase approach was adopted to wipe out unregistered house churches, which the government saw as a hostile group of dissenters, and force them to join the official Three-Self Patriotic Movement (TSPM) church system. In the first phase, from January 2012 to June, the State Administration for Religious Affairs (SARA) secretly investigated house churches across the country and created files on them, the report says. This was followed by a wave of crackdowns on house churches, which has continued into 2013, as part of the second phase. The second phase will also entail strongly encouraging unregistered churches to become part of the TSPM—at which point they would become known as "house gatherings," with the government banning the term "house churches."
Thank God we have SARA in China.

SARA has kept the Catholic Church in China --clean, clean, clean.

No pedophiles; no money laundering; no charity by selling out of the country's sovereignty; no Muslim hatred and others.
CCP are MORON CRIMINALS

Surrey, Canada

#1954 Sep 27, 2013
Andrez Lopez wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank God we have SARA in China.
SARA has kept the Catholic Church in China --clean, clean, clean.
No pedophiles; no money laundering; no charity by selling out of the country's sovereignty; no Muslim hatred and others.
"Thank God" for atheist communists who murder Christians for their beliefs?

OH!

You are thanking the CORPSE OF MAO THE MASS-MURDER in your Chinese Communist Party DEAD LEADER CULT!

I get it!
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1955 Sep 27, 2013
Thanks God, China has a SARA
CCP Atheist SCUM

Surrey, Canada

#1956 Sep 27, 2013
Andrez Lopez wrote:
Thanks God, China has a SARA
OH!

You are thanking the CORPSE OF MAO THE MASS-MURDER in your Chinese Communist Party DEAD LEADER CULT!

I get it!

YOUR "god"!!!!

What a SICK CULT!
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1957 Sep 27, 2013
The Catholic Church in China is better off with its own bureau of the State Administration For Religious Affairs than to be linked to the Vatican.
CCP Atheist SCUM

Surrey, Canada

#1958 Sep 29, 2013
But all churches who have trusted the SARA in China have already been destroyed......so you seek to destroy the Catholic Church in China, quite obviously.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1959 Sep 30, 2013
Andrez Lopez wrote:
The Catholic Church in China is better off with its own bureau of the State Administration For Religious Affairs than to be linked to the Vatican.
Then it's not the Catholic Church as that is run from Rome.

Perhaps you should think of a different name.
CCP Atheist SCUM

Port Moody, Canada

#1960 Sep 30, 2013
"The Atheist Mock Religion" perhaps?

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