Jesus in China: Christianity's rapid rise

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Rev. Jin Mingri peered out from the pulpit and delivered an unusual appeal: "Please leave," the 39-year-old pastor commanded his followers, who were packed, standing-room-only on a Sunday afternoon, into a ...
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CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#1917 Apr 24, 2013
Communist ATHEISTS CANNOT BE CHRISTIANS.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1918 Apr 24, 2013
Saul once persecuted the Christians, but the Lord showed Himself to Saul, and said 'Saul. why do you persecute Me.'

Saul fell to the ground from the horse he was riding and from then on he started serving the Lord instead.

He adopted the name of Paul and he became the greatest of all the apostles and he was not one of the 12 apostles who initiated with Jesus. He was the apostle 'come late'.

In his epistles to the Corinthians, he wrote the thesis of our Faith in Corinthians Chapter 13.

Read it and savor it. It could put you back on the track of being a Christian.
CCP are LIARS

Surrey, Canada

#1920 Apr 24, 2013
From :http://www.christianitytoday. com/ct/2013/february-web-only/ how-china-plans-to-wipe-out-ho use-churches.html

How China Plans to Wipe Out House Churches

Report: Govt.-sponsored persecution rose 42 percent in 2012.

Morning Star News [ posted 2/18/2013 10:04AM ]
JONATHAN SARUK / GETTY
China's Christians felt a noticeable rise in persecution in 2012 as the Communist government began the first of a three-phase plan to eradicate unregistered house churches, a new report says.
Incidents of persecution of Christians rose by about 42 percent last year compared with 2011, according to the report by human rights group China Aid. Many of these incidents involved groups of Christians. In total, the number of individual persecuted Christians rose by roughly 14 percent and total individual detentions increased by nearly 12 percent. China Aid said overall total persecution in six categories was about 13 percent worse than in 2011—though China Aid termed its statistics just "the tip of the iceberg."
At least 132 incidents of persecution affecting 4,919 Christians—442 of whom were clergy—were reported in the country last year, according to China Aid's annual report. The Texas-based group tracked detention of at least 1,441 Christians, the sentencing of nine of them, and the abuse (verbal, mental and physical, including beatings and torture) of 37 Christians.
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CCP are LIARS

Surrey, Canada

#1921 Apr 24, 2013
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Beijing, administered directly under the central government, witnessed the highest number of persecution cases, at 62, affecting 934 Christians; Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in northwest China followed with at 11 cases involving 382 Christians. Persecution was also high in central China—comprising Henan and Hubei Hunan provinces—where 1,056 Christians were affected, and in east China, which includes Shandong, Anhui, Zhejiang, Jiangsu and Jiangxi provinces, which witnessed harassment of 750 Christians.
The report also notes that persecution last year was 61 percent worse than in 2010; 85 percent worse than in 2009; 120 percent worse than in 2008; 308 percent worse than in 2007; and 372 percent worse than in 2006.
Ending Unregistered House Churches
The recent appointment of Xi Jinping as the new leader of China's Communist Party has made no difference in treatment of Christians, said a member of the Shouwang Church in Beijing, a congregation authorities have harassed for more than two years.
"I recently went to see the founding pastor, Jin Tianming, and his wife [under house arrest since April 2011] in their rented apartment in west Beijing," the source told Morning Star News. "I was not allowed to enter their home, and the pastor was not allowed to go outside. We chatted for a while at their home's doorway, as two plainclothes police officers watched."
Pastor Tianming was granted the right to do his workout outside his apartment every afternoon from November 2011 to early January this year. But since he attended a Shouwang weekly evening prayer meeting in the rented facility of Xinshu (New Tree) Church, a sister congregation of Shouwang, after jogging on the afternoon on Jan. 9, Tianming has not been allowed to leave his home.
The continued rise of persecution is not the only dynamic raising serious concerns; authorities have targeted unregistered house churches in a planned manner, according to the China Aid report. In 2008 and 2009, officials "targeted house church leaders and churches in urban areas," China Aid notes. In 2010, they "attacked Christian human rights lawyers groups and using abuse, torture and mafia tactics." The focus in 2011 was on increasing the intensity of attacks against Christians and house churches.
In 2012, a new three-phase approach was adopted to wipe out unregistered house churches, which the government saw as a hostile group of dissenters, and force them to join the official Three-Self Patriotic Movement (TSPM) church system. In the first phase, from January 2012 to June, the State Administration for Religious Affairs (SARA) secretly investigated house churches across the country and created files on them, the report says. This was followed by a wave of crackdowns on house churches, which has continued into 2013, as part of the second phase. The second phase will also entail strongly encouraging unregistered churches to become part of the TSPM—at which point they would become known as "house gatherings," with the government banning the term "house churches."
epep

Swindon, UK

#1922 Apr 24, 2013
I find the current most known Christianity not that apprealing. Some people say that the current most known Christianity is probably modified by the western elite to make it more difficult for people to achieve spiritual enlightenment. The current most known Christianity says that people who sin will go to hell forever.
I personally do NOT want anybody to go to hell forever. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished proportionatley. Meaning I prefer that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong.

Now about a currently less known form of Christianity called Gnostics Christianity. I respect Gnostics Christianity because Gnostics Christianity is similar to Buddhism. Gnostics Christianity does NOT believe that sinners go to hell forever. Gnostics Christianity believes that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. Gnostics Christianity says that people get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as a human.

What Gnostics Christians believe : " According to Pistis Sophia, some souls do experience hell as a shadowy place of torture where they go after death. But after passing through this hell, the souls return for further experiences on earth. Only a few extremely wicked souls are not allowed to reincarnate. These are cast into "outer darkness" until the time when they are destined to be "destroyed and dissolved". "

Gnostics Christianity seems to be fair.

But having said that, I personally do NOT even want any person's soul to be destroyed and dissolved.

I personally prefer people to be punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as human to live on Earth.

Since: Aug 08

Shanghai, China

#1925 Apr 25, 2013
CHINA SPRING wrote:
Communist ATHEISTS CANNOT BE CHRISTIANS.
Capitalist Atheists can be Christians?
Dried Southern Baptist

Paducah, KY

#1926 Apr 28, 2013
Just hope that it turns out better than the last great "Christian" awakening in China did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellio...
OCCUPY TIANNANMEN

Port Moody, Canada

#1929 Apr 30, 2013
CCP are LIARS wrote:
From :http://www.christianitytoday. com/ct/2013/february-web-only/ how-china-plans-to-wipe-out-ho use-churches.html
How China Plans to Wipe Out House Churches
Report: Govt.-sponsored persecution rose 42 percent in 2012.
Morning Star News [ posted 2/18/2013 10:04AM ]
JONATHAN SARUK / GETTY
China's Christians felt a noticeable rise in persecution in 2012 as the Communist government began the first of a three-phase plan to eradicate unregistered house churches, a new report says.
Incidents of persecution of Christians rose by about 42 percent last year compared with 2011, according to the report by human rights group China Aid. Many of these incidents involved groups of Christians. In total, the number of individual persecuted Christians rose by roughly 14 percent and total individual detentions increased by nearly 12 percent. China Aid said overall total persecution in six categories was about 13 percent worse than in 2011—though China Aid termed its statistics just "the tip of the iceberg."
At least 132 incidents of persecution affecting 4,919 Christians—442 of whom were clergy—were reported in the country last year, according to China Aid's annual report. The Texas-based group tracked detention of at least 1,441 Christians, the sentencing of nine of them, and the abuse (verbal, mental and physical, including beatings and torture) of 37 Christians.
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Poor, poor China!

Having religious faith means you will be TORTURED for it in China under the CCP atheist dictatorship!
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1930 May 9, 2013
CHINA SPRING wrote:
Communist ATHEISTS CANNOT BE CHRISTIANS.
Atheists, by definition, can not be Christians.

But Communist can be very good Christians.
Dried Southern Baptist

Kuttawa, KY

#1931 May 9, 2013
Again, China's distrust and suppression of Christian movements is understandable in light of China's history with the "Christian" Taipings. The Taiping Rebellion was nominally "Christian" and 20 million Chinese people were killed in it. It was China's equivalent of the Holocaust.

Yet few American Christians even know that it happened. Those that do refuse to acknowledge any responsibility for it even though a Southern Baptist missionary was indirectly responsible for starting it and missionaries continued to support the Taipings against the government even after it became obvious what they were doing.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#1932 May 9, 2013
I think religion is good for most people. However, you gotta make sure religion doesn't come to unduly affect government policy. The last thing you want to do is become like the Philippines where the government is having such a difficult time promoting safe sex because of opposition from the Catholic church.
taiwan

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#1933 May 9, 2013
scared of people praying? one-child policy and what you do with the other babies? doesn't sound anything like safe sex
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1934 May 9, 2013
Jesus in China is about believing in our ancestors,
not a few generations back, nor 14 generations back as in Lamaism; but trillions and trillions of generations back, tracing back to our one Father, the Creator of the Universe; ---the One Heavenly Father who is the Father of all mankind, to make us understand that we all came from the One Single and Same source.
Truth

Lane Cove, Australia

#1936 May 10, 2013
Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Jesus is the Saviour of mankind. He came into this world to give His life so that we can have eternal lives through God's grace to those who believe in Him.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#1937 May 10, 2013
taiwan wrote:
scared of people praying? one-child policy and what you do with the other babies? doesn't sound anything like safe sex
I don't agree with China's one child policy and I'm certainly not scared of people praying either. Like I said, religion is good for most people. On the other hand, you are clearly unable to accept any criticism of the Philippines whether or not the criticism is true or not.
taiwan

Philippines

#1938 May 10, 2013
oh were we talking about you?
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#1939 May 10, 2013
2 Cents wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't agree with China's one child policy and I'm certainly not scared of people praying either. Like I said, religion is good for most people. On the other hand, you are clearly unable to accept any criticism of the Philippines whether or not the criticism is true or not.
Jesus in China is not about China's one child policy.

Jesus in China is about our ancestral worshipping which will lead us to understand that we all have come from the same single source, the Creator of the Universe.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#1940 May 10, 2013
taiwan wrote:
oh were we talking about you?
Accepting that you have problems is necessary before you can correct them.
OCCUPY TIANNANMEN

Surrey, Canada

#1943 May 10, 2013
From :http://www.christianitytoday. com/ct/2013/february-web-only/ how-china-plans-to-wipe-out-ho use-churches.html

How China Plans to Wipe Out House Churches

Report: Govt.-sponsored persecution rose 42 percent in 2012.

Morning Star News [ posted 2/18/2013 10:04AM ]
JONATHAN SARUK / GETTY
China's Christians felt a noticeable rise in persecution in 2012 as the Communist government began the first of a three-phase plan to eradicate unregistered house churches, a new report says.
Incidents of persecution of Christians rose by about 42 percent last year compared with 2011, according to the report by human rights group China Aid. Many of these incidents involved groups of Christians. In total, the number of individual persecuted Christians rose by roughly 14 percent and total individual detentions increased by nearly 12 percent. China Aid said overall total persecution in six categories was about 13 percent worse than in 2011—though China Aid termed its statistics just "the tip of the iceberg."
At least 132 incidents of persecution affecting 4,919 Christians—442 of whom were clergy—were reported in the country last year, according to China Aid's annual report. The Texas-based group tracked detention of at least 1,441 Christians, the sentencing of nine of them, and the abuse (verbal, mental and physical, including beatings and torture) of 37 Christians.
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epep

Swindon, UK

#1946 May 20, 2013
I find the current most known Christianity not that apprealing. Some people say that the current most known Christianity is probably modified by the western elite to make it more difficult for people to achieve spiritual enlightenment. The current most known Christianity says that people who sin will go to hell forever.
I personally do NOT want anybody to go to hell forever. I prefer that people who done wrong get punished proportionatley. Meaning I prefer that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong.

Now about a currently less known form of Christianity called Gnostics Christianity. I respect Gnostics Christianity because Gnostics Christianity is similar to Buddhism. Gnostics Christianity does NOT believe that sinners go to hell forever. Gnostics Christianity believes that people get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong. Gnostics Christianity says that people get punished for a limited amount of time in hell then they get reincarnated back as a human.

What Gnostics Christians believe : " According to Pistis Sophia, some souls do experience hell as a shadowy place of torture where they go after death. But after passing through this hell, the souls return for further experiences on earth. Only a few extremely wicked souls are not allowed to reincarnate. These are cast into "outer darkness" until the time when they are destined to be "destroyed and dissolved". "

Gnostics Christianity seems to be fair.

Gnostic Christianity says people that have done wrong get punished for an equal amount for the amount that they did wrong and then they get reincarnated back as human to live on Earth.

And that the extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.

But I would NOT want anybody's souls, even extremely evil people's souls, to be in Hell forever.

But I think that it is fair that extremely evil people's souls get destroyed.

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