Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#81 Feb 12, 2013
pde wrote:
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And I personally find sleeping with a hooker, even a legal hooker in Nevada, to be more immoral.
(Putting on body armor)
I personally do not think going to a hooker is immoral ASSUMING it is a regulated facility with testing and verificatin of age, etc. AND the customer is not cheating on someone. Disgusting and unfulfilling, yes, but immoral, no.

No more immoral than two drunks falling into a cab together on a Friday night, humping, waking up the next morning not remembering each other's names and one of them slinking out, neither of them calling the other again. And that happens millions of times a year, and I don't hear anyone getting in a twist about it. Match.com is a glorified pimp service. At least around here is has quite the reputation as an easy hook-up. And no one gets in a twist about that. Guys spend hundreds of dollars all the time trying to impress chicks, taking them to fancy dinners, shows, just so they can try to get them in the sack, and then they don't follow up. How is that any less immoral than two consenting adults, cutting out all of the b.s., coming to a financial arrangement where each perceives satisfactory value?

Again, I think going to a hooker is disgusting and distasteful, but I don't think it is the catastrophe of morality that some are making it out to be (subject to the aforementioned provisos).
Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#82 Feb 12, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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You're ignoring a basic fact. Whether it's an abortion, a kid, serving time, r@pping a midgit, these are actions and information a significant other has a right to know about.
Just because my girlfriend didn't specifically ASK if I had ever molested a kitten, doesn't mean she doesn't have a right to know about it, and I have an obligation to disclose that.
Before the rufie takes effect, do you disclose to your victim that you have had several STDs?

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#83 Feb 12, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Am I wrong in that in some cases, abortion results in a woman no longer being able to have children? If that is true, then that would certainly affect a man who wants to have a family.
It *could* depending on a whole bunch of things. My sister's friend from high school was rendered sterile, but then again she has like 5 abortions. No one yell at me.*I* didn't do it, just someone I knew a really long time ago.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#84 Feb 12, 2013
He is not the injured party here.
I say he was eavesdropping on a private conversation which he had no business listening to in the first place.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#85 Feb 12, 2013
Even though my opinion is that it isn't a "baby" per se unless it is viable outside of the womb, it is a fetus, let's disregard that and let me ask a question.

Suppose there is some freaky weird medical thing (that I have never heard of but probably exists) and the woman is like 6 months pregnant. Fetus is viable outside the womb...potentially, however the only way she can live is to do an actual abortion with no chance the fetus will survive. Is that then ok or is it morally wrong?

Not trying to "stir the pot," just curious.

Since: Aug 08

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#86 Feb 12, 2013
RACE wrote:
(Waves from the sidelines)
I'm good over here dude, you have your fun!
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I try not to pass judgement on anyone until I walk a mile in their shoes, so regardless of whether I view abortion as good or bad is irrelevant, what is important is the "Why" for getting one.
And of course there is my standard gripe about the double standard of women bearing or not of children in general.
I try not to judge, but I know woman (including my mom) who have been in difficult situations and either kept the baby or gave it up for adoption, because they felt it was the right thing to do, and I can't help but feel that way too.

I don't mean to be judgmental or hurt women's feelings who have made other choices, but that will come naturally by giving my opinion. Maybe I should have been sensitive to this and just kept my mouth shut, for this reason, but it was hard for me to keep quiet after reading all the comments today where everyone was calling the guy a jerk and attacking edog, when I see their point. I felt I had a valid point, which no one had expressed.
RACE wrote:
If a woman chooses an abortion its "Her body", but if she carries it to term its suddenly "A mans child". I will never agree with that thinking.
I agree. I really don't like this us verses them mentality or go "team woman" mentality. A woman has an abortion and it's well she had to because she would have had no opportunities in life. A man get stuck raising a kid he doesn't want and it's who cares about whatever opportunities he wanted or dreams he had in life ... f' him ... get him for every cent you can possibly get ... he made it ... it's his responsibility!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#87 Feb 12, 2013
pde wrote:
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And I personally find sleeping with a hooker, even a legal hooker in Nevada, to be more immoral.
My one roommate who went to the ATM machine to take out the money for his GF's abortion, also banged a hooker in Amsterdam, lol. We were about to head out to Zermatt on a train and we all gave him whatever coins and bills we had left rather than go to a currency exchange. We stayed in the coffee shop while he went.

I've always imagine him walking up to this hooker and handing her a bunch of coins and messy wad of bills.

Since: Aug 08

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#88 Feb 12, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I think going to a hooker is disgusting and distasteful, but I don't think it is the catastrophe of morality that some are making it out to be (subject to the aforementioned provisos).
I don't think it is immoral at all ... I was just using it as example for something that women would find unappealing in a mate.

I do think it is disgusting and distasteful, however. I'm not sticking anything on mine where 5-10 other dudes did in the last 24 hours.

Since: Aug 08

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#89 Feb 12, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Even though my opinion is that it isn't a "baby" per se unless it is viable outside of the womb, it is a fetus, let's disregard that and let me ask a question.
Suppose there is some freaky weird medical thing (that I have never heard of but probably exists) and the woman is like 6 months pregnant. Fetus is viable outside the womb...potentially, however the only way she can live is to do an actual abortion with no chance the fetus will survive. Is that then ok or is it morally wrong?
Not trying to "stir the pot," just curious.
My comments today were not directed to cases of rape, where the baby would have some terrible disease, or where the mother's life would be in jeopardy. I think you are going into crazy nutjob Reichwing territory when you start judging women for having abortions under those circumstances.
pde

Homer Glen, IL

#90 Feb 12, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
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(Putting on body armor)
I personally do not think going to a hooker is immoral ASSUMING it is a regulated facility with testing and verificatin of age, etc. AND the customer is not cheating on someone. Disgusting and unfulfilling, yes, but immoral, no.
Ok, on a scale of 1-10 (with 10 being the "most immoral")... I would put abortion itself at a 0. I do not find it immoral. But there are actions/decisions a woman can make in relation to the abortion which I feel can be immoral.

If you're not in a relationship: a legal hooker at a 1, which corresponds to sleazy and distasteful. An illegal hooker, 1.5 or 2, which corresponds to sleazy and distasteful with a side of stupid. Intentionally finding what is supposed to be an illegal, underaged hooker, 10.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#91 Feb 12, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
He is not the injured party here.
I say he was eavesdropping on a private conversation which he had no business listening to in the first place.
??? Eavesdropping? He said he overheard a conversation. What basis do you have to assume he was eavesdropping vs just walking by and she did not notice he was ther eand he did not notice it was secret conversation?

If someone intends to have a provate phone conversation, the onus is on them to find a priovate place to talk, not on everyone else to assume they needs to turn and leave if they come upon that person.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#92 Feb 12, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Wrong. No one has a RIGHT to know anything about me that I don't want to share.
WRONG. They absolutely do.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#93 Feb 12, 2013
pde wrote:
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When do you talk about tapping drunk/incoherent underaged girls at parties when you were a teenager? First or second date?
I have never disclosed such a thing here or anywhere else. When you start pulling nonsense out of your @zz, that means I win! Woo hoo!
pde

Homer Glen, IL

#94 Feb 12, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I have never disclosed such a thing here or anywhere else. When you start pulling nonsense out of your @zz, that means I win! Woo hoo!
I believe it was in a different thread that had something to do with HPV.

Since: Feb 08

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#95 Feb 12, 2013
plumloco wrote:
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That's just the attitude that I'm talking about -- a mass of cells is not a baby. If the fetus is not viable outside of the woman's body it's not a baby. So calling a woman who had to have an abortion a "baby killer" is being an inflammatory prick.
Oh, and of course that chick in high school was just chasing you so hard because all of the ladies every where the world over just chase you hard. You write page-long diatribes about how much women love you and are always fawning all over you; it must be exhausting to be so damn attractive! Before this exchange I had always thought you were a bit full of yourself but basically ok and I usually agreed with your POV. I just can't reconcile that with your calling women "baby killers." I'm dissappointed.
Most are performed at nine weeks or less. It's the removal of a wad of goo, not a baby. Considering the amount of REPORTED abuse of adopted children, and my own experiences, I don't blame anyone who decides that abortion is preferable to relinquishing for adoption. I know I never could have done it. I attempted to bring all my pregnancies to term. Didn't happen. No pregnancy, no matter how much it is wanted and how well the woman takes care of herself, is guaranteed to result in a live birth, and/or a healthy baby and mother. Not one.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#96 Feb 12, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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WRONG. They absolutely do.
No, no they don't. Otherwise there would be a law. Whether it is right or wrong to tell/not tell is irrelevant. The question is whether they have a RIGHT to know and as far as I know there are no laws in place that say I MUST tell someone something about myself that I don't want to tell. Hey wait a minute, isn't there a law that says I DON'T have to tell stuff about myself? Why yes, it's the fifth amendment. Granted it doesn't apply to private things, only to self-incrimination, but still there is no law saying I MUST or that anyone else has a right to know. So STFU and pick up a damn book and learn stuff.
Timmy

United States

#97 Feb 12, 2013
I think Sam hit a nerve.
Toj wrote:
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Wow. Don't you think this reaction is over the top?

Since: Feb 08

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#98 Feb 12, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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That's about the same as any other animal, including chickens and reptiles.
And at three weeks, many women won't even know they're pregnant.
Yeah, a lot of "late periods" in earlier generations were early miscarriages. Implantation doesn't occur in MANY conceptions. Or other things go wrong.
pde

Homer Glen, IL

#99 Feb 12, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I have never disclosed such a thing here or anywhere else. When you start pulling nonsense out of your @zz, that means I win! Woo hoo!
"I might have scored a few times with passed out drunk girls, but I never got an std or one of them pregnant."

http://www.topix.com/forum/chicago/T47S43ST51...

Since: Feb 08

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#100 Feb 12, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Am I wrong in that in some cases, abortion results in a woman no longer being able to have children? If that is true, then that would certainly affect a man who wants to have a family.
That can happen and did when women had to get "back alley" abortions. Legal early ones do not have that problem.
From Guttmacher Institute:
SAFETY OF ABORTION

• The risk of abortion complications is minimal: Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication that requires hospitalization.

• Abortions performed in the first trimester pose virtually no long-term risk of such problems as infertility, ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) or birth defect, and little or no risk of preterm or low-birth-weight deliveries.

• Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and British governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other cancers.

• In repeated studies since the early 1980s, leading experts have concluded that abortion does not pose a hazard to women’s mental health.[13]

• The risk of death associated with abortion increases with the length of pregnancy, from one death for every one million abortions at or before eight weeks to one per 29,000 at 16–20 weeks—and one per 11,000 at 21 or more weeks.

• Fifty-eight percent of abortion patients say they would have liked to have had their abortion earlier. Nearly 60% of women who experienced a delay in obtaining an abortion cite the time it took to make arrangements and raise money.

• Teens are more likely than older women to delay having an abortion until after 15 weeks of pregnancy, when the medical risks associated with abortion are significantly higher.

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