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What about my hooker example? Let's say he even frequented brothels in Nevada, where it is legal. Would you not care? Would many women not care? Would many women not judge? If you say no to these questions, then let me ask, how many women would be interested in dating a man if on the first date he said he visited brothels regularly?
Learning a woman had an abortion as a teen is more akin to learning that a man once paid a hooker as a teen.

Not that a man goes to brothels regularly.

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Maybe that's why women keep abortions a secret -- because men like you would judge them based solely on that one chapter of their past.
Thatís my right. Just like you can decide you donít want to date a man who engaged in consensual sex with a hooker, even if it was legal.
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<quoted text>So if a grown woman had an abortion during her teenage years you you deem her un-dateable based on that?
Outside of morning after pills, I find abortions to be immoral. I see it as killing a living an unborn child. That is my right. I still support the right to choice.
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<quoted text>I guess I'd rather find out I'm dating a close-minded prick and be able to leave the relationship, so maybe it's good for women to know that about you.
If my feeling that killing an unborn child is immoral makes me a pr1ck in your eyes, so be it. It couldnít care less.
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<quoted text>But it is my body and my business. Until men can carry babies STFU about my choice.
I never said you didnít have the right to make your own choices. However, that doesnít change the fact that I get to pick what traits I do or do not want in a mate. Unborn baby killer isnít too high on my list of traits. I'm not sorry if this offends you.

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THere can be a bigger backlash against adoption than there is for abortion. I"ve read articles about the high percentage of single moms who WANTED to give their babies up for adoption but the pressure (and sometimes force) from their parents and other family members was too much for them, so they kept their babies. "You're not going to give my grrandbaby away, that's my flesh and blood."

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I have zero moral problem with abortion. I think if you have more than one, you're an idiot who needs to rethink her sexual activities, but other than that, I think it beats bringing an unwanted child into the world (since adoption seems to fall by the wayside).
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Why don't you blow my fking c*ck, you worthless, used up, cuntwhore?
If you think keeping secrets in a relationship is a good thing, that might explain why you can't keep a man.
Wow, quite the eloquent response. I hope you can channel some of that poetic talent into a nice Valentine's card for your mother.

While your offer is quite generous, I am going to have to pass because (and this leads into your inquiry) among the hundreds of other reasons, I have a boyfriend and we are coming up on 8 months. And (staying on topic) if he knocked someone up a few years ago and the girl got an abortion, I would not feel the need to know. Maybe if you weren't such a woman-hating woman-hater, you wouldn't be so insecure and meddlesome.

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pde wrote:
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Learning a woman had an abortion as a teen is more akin to learning that a man once paid a hooker as a teen.
Not that a man goes to brothels regularly.
In the scheme of things killing an unborn child seems a worse offense to me than a man exchanging money in return for consensual sex one time, yet I will still say it is a woman's prerogative to decide she does not want to date such a man.

Let's not kid ourselves, you all know I'm no boyscout ... I'd fully support a woman's decision not to want to date me given my past... I wouldn't whine about it or cry about it or stomp my feet and say it's unfair, because it's not unfair. That would be her decision to make and if I wasn't good enough for her, then really I wouldn't want to date her either. So, I don't know why plumloco is calling me names like a prick ... I wouldn't call such a woman a b1tch.

Think what you may of me, but I'm not a hypocrite. I think people should look for what they want in a mate, and to hell with what anyone else thinks.
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Thatís my right. Just like you can decide you donít want to date a man who engaged in consensual sex with a hooker, even if it was legal.
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Outside of morning after pills, I find abortions to be immoral. I see it as killing a living an unborn child. That is my right. I still support the right to choice.
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If my feeling that killing an unborn child is immoral makes me a pr1ck in your eyes, so be it. It couldnít care less.
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I never said you didnít have the right to make your own choices. However, that doesnít change the fact that I get to pick what traits I do or do not want in a mate. Unborn baby killer isnít too high on my list of traits. I'm not sorry if this offends you.
That's just the attitude that I'm talking about -- a mass of cells is not a baby. If the fetus is not viable outside of the woman's body it's not a baby. So calling a woman who had to have an abortion a "baby killer" is being an inflammatory prick.

Oh, and of course that chick in high school was just chasing you so hard because all of the ladies every where the world over just chase you hard. You write page-long diatribes about how much women love you and are always fawning all over you; it must be exhausting to be so damn attractive! Before this exchange I had always thought you were a bit full of yourself but basically ok and I usually agreed with your POV. I just can't reconcile that with your calling women "baby killers." I'm dissappointed.

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THere can be a bigger backlash against adoption than there is for abortion. I"ve read articles about the high percentage of single moms who WANTED to give their babies up for adoption but the pressure (and sometimes force) from their parents and other family members was too much for them, so they kept their babies. "You're not going to give my grrandbaby away, that's my flesh and blood."
I can see that, but I can only go by my moral compass and my own views. I am sure there are some men who view a woman who would terminate an unwanted pregnancy as a positive, because it means they won't get stuck with a child they don't want ... outside of the morning after or something very very early on in pregnancy, I would never want a woman to terminate a pregnancy of mine (even though I recognize it is not my choice to make).

As far as a such a woman with a child, if I liked her, it wouldn't matter to me. I find that preferable to an abortion. I really am not a big fan of them because I feel it is killing an unborn child in most instances. I don't think this makes me a prick.
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In the scheme of things killing an unborn child seems a worse offense to me than a man exchanging money in return for consensual sex one time, yet I will still say it is a woman's prerogative to decide she does not want to date such a man.
And I would said that it's both the woman's and the man's prerogative to consider that piece of information about their past unimportant, particularly when dating someone who wasn't even involved in their life at the time they made the decision. Not a lie of omission.
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In the scheme of things killing an unborn child seems a worse offense to me than a man exchanging money in return for consensual sex one time, yet I will still say it is a woman's prerogative to decide she does not want to date such a man.
And really, a man who slept with a hooker once has a slightly greater chance of that once negatively affecting the women he dates/sleeps with/marries in the future, than the woman who had an abortion.

For example, if he catches an STD from that once that isn't discovered for a while.

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That's just the attitude that I'm talking about -- a mass of cells is not a baby. If the fetus is not viable outside of the woman's body it's not a baby. So calling a woman who had to have an abortion a "baby killer" is being an inflammatory prick.
I said I don't have much of a problem with the morning after or very early term abortions. However, by the third week after conception, the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form. That's more than just a mass of cells, IMO. And that you don't know basic biology or appreciate this fact, doesn't make me a prick.
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<quoted text>Oh, and of course that chick in high school was just chasing you so hard because all of the ladies every where the world over just chase you hard. You write page-long diatribes about how much women love you and are always fawning all over you; it must be exhausting to be so damn attractive! Before this exchange I had always thought you were a bit full of yourself but basically ok and I usually agreed with your POV. I just can't reconcile that with your calling women "baby killers." I'm dissappointed.
I'm not put on this earth to make you happy or be the person you want me to be. I'm not sorry my views disappoint you, I'm not all you wanted me to be, and I am too knowledgeable about biology to know that most women aren't just aborting a mass of cells. The womens lib movement doesn't change biology or somehow turn something that has a brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs into just a mass of cells as you would like to think. Using that logic, I suppose a living human being is just a bag of water.

Additionally, if you thought I was full of myself, then you shouldn't be so disappointed, btw.

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plumloco wrote:
<quoted text> But it is my body and my business. Until men can carry babies STFU about my choice.
I am woman, hear me roar....

A man has every right to his opinion about women who've had abortions. Just like you women have every right to "choose."

We're not meddlesome pr1cks just because we might have a different set of standards and morals. Your narrow-mindedness is showing.

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And I would said that it's both the woman's and the man's prerogative to consider that piece of information about their past unimportant, particularly when dating someone who wasn't even involved in their life at the time they made the decision. Not a lie of omission.
You don't get to decide what your prospective mate should find desirable or want to know. While I agree no one can force a person to share something they don't wish to share ... should what you don't want them to know come to light and adverse consequences arise, I can't say I will feel sorry for you, since you attempted to deceive by omission of a material fact.

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I can't call a three-month gestation an "unborn baby." Because it's not.

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I said I don't have much of a problem with the morning after or very early term abortions. However, by the third week after conception, the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form. That's more than just a mass of cells, IMO. And that you don't know basic biology or appreciate this fact, doesn't make me a prick.
That's about the same as any other animal, including chickens and reptiles.

And at three weeks, many women won't even know they're pregnant.

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pde wrote:
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And really, a man who slept with a hooker once has a slightly greater chance of that once negatively affecting the women he dates/sleeps with/marries in the future, than the woman who had an abortion.
For example, if he catches an STD from that once that isn't discovered for a while.
PDE, I'm not here to defend other peoples logic or choices in terms of who they want in a mate. The point I'm trying to make is people are free to decide what they want in a mate, regardless of whether I agree with it or not.

Maybe I spoke to sharply initially in saying I would not ever view someone who had an abortion as relationship material, but I would view it as something very negative. That is my prerogative.

As with often times on the left, the same can be said of the women's movement ... either you agree with them 100% and take things to the ultimate extreme or you are a woman hater. It's not enough for someone such as plumloco that I support a woman's right to choose ... nope I have to also view abortion as some wonderful positive thing ... something that I would place highly on my list of wants ... or else I am a prick and a woman hater. Other than edog, I certainly cannot be the only one who views this as absurd.

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if he knocked someone up a few years ago and the girl got an abortion, I would not feel the need to know.
And if he knocked someone up and has a kid, would you want to know that?
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You don't get to decide what your prospective mate should find desirable or want to know. While I agree no one can force a person to share something they don't wish to share ... should what you don't want them to know come to light and adverse consequences arise, I can't say I will feel sorry for you, since you attempted to deceive by omission of a material fact.
And I think that either a man who feels that discovering she had an abortion once before he even knew/was involved with the woman is a deal breaker, needs to get over himself.

Just a woman who feels that discovering that a man paying for a hooker once before she even knew/was involved with the man is a deal breaker, needs to get over herself.

Although, in the second case, if the man had never had an STD screening after sleeping with the hooker, I think she would be within her rights to request that.

There's nothing equivalent in the first case, since abortion doesn't have any long-term way it could physically affect the man.

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I can't call a three-month gestation an "unborn baby." Because it's not.
Where unborn baby begins is not easy to demarcate. I acknowledge that.

3 weeks after conception many organs are forming and 15 weeks from conception fetuses have been observed sucking on their thumb. To me these things are more than just a mass of cells ... I'm not going to kid myself and say that is just a mass of cells to support my views that woman should have a right to choice. It's not true.
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And if he knocked someone up and has a kid, would you want to know that?
You really don't see the difference here? If he has a kid, he has something in his life that is likely to have an active, ongoing affect on his life.

If his ex-girlfriend had an abortion, what sort of effects does that have on the current?

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