Chicago Cubs trade Kevin Hart for John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny

The Cubs acquired left-handed pitchers John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny from the Pittsburgh Pirates for right-handed pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio and Single-A Daytona infielder Josh Harrison. Full Story
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Stratmaster

Shreveport, LA

#1 Jul 30, 2009
Well, Grabow should really help the pen. I was liking what I have been seeing from Hart though.
RockStar

Langeloth, PA

#2 Jul 30, 2009
I like Grabow, but seems like Pirates got more out of this trade. Hart has won the last 3 starts, this might be a head scratcher.....
JeffD

El Paso, TX

#3 Jul 30, 2009
Horrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.

All for a 30-year old reliever and a starter who has sucked the last two years and couldn't find a place in the pitching staff for one of the worst teams in the NL.

The Cardinals go out and get Lugo, DeRosa and Holliday. We get Grabow, Gorgonzola and Jeff Baker. That, my friends is why we'll be watching St. Louis in the playoffs this year.

JeffD

El Paso, TX

#4 Jul 30, 2009
Not to mention the fact that Hendry still refuses to address the biggest issue of need on our team, a second baseman who can hit. It's embarrassing.

Since: Jul 09

Bettendorf, IA (via Cary, IL)

#5 Jul 30, 2009
Who takes Hart's spot in the rotation, then, with Lilly out until possibly September? We've given up a starter for a reliever? Do the Cubs go with Marshall, Berg, or Gorzellany?(Please don't move Marshall out of the pen.) This move creates a larger problem than it solves.
Big Cat

Schaumburg, IL

#6 Jul 30, 2009
Wow ... thanks for the win kid, don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Boston CubsFan

Tyngsboro, MA

#7 Jul 30, 2009
You've got to be kidding me?

This guy pitches his "Heart" out and gets traded to a last-place team for a guy with a career 4.x era?

Sending Fuld down, trading Hart.

I would have been happier had they sent Dempster, and I am being totally serious.

The Cubs scored allot of runs this 4 games series and the only one they lost was dempsters atrocity. Hart and Wells are both showing themselves to be superior pitchers to Dempster who folded like a lawn chair in last year's Game 1 playff-off.(I don't think I've ever seen a worse performance by a supposed #1 starter in a playoff game). He has continued that performance into this season with a 5-5 record and near 5.0 era.

Hendry just made another questionable move in a season full of them.
Portugoose

San Francisco, CA

#9 Jul 30, 2009
What can the Cubs really do when they have one of the shallowest farm systems in all of baseball? The Cubs needed southpaws in their bullpen, and they were able to land two. Between them and BJ Ryan, this should enable the Cubs to put Sean Marshall back into the rotation.
rdmj

Streamwood, IL

#10 Jul 30, 2009
"Good game today, Kevin, you really pitched well. Thank you for filling in for our oft-injured starting pitchers. Now go to Pittsburgh, where good baseball players go to die."
Stratmaster

Fairhope, AL

#11 Jul 30, 2009
JeffD wrote:
Horrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.
All for a 30-year old reliever and a starter who has sucked the last two years and couldn't find a place in the pitching staff for one of the worst teams in the NL.
The Cardinals go out and get Lugo, DeRosa and Holliday. We get Grabow, Gorgonzola and Jeff Baker. That, my friends is why we'll be watching St. Louis in the playoffs this year.
What? Are you serious? I hate to see Hart go too but in 6 seasons in the minors he has a 4.08 ERA and he is 27 years old. Have you looked at what Grabow has done on a pitiful team last year and this year? The Cubs are in contention. Everyone has been whining they need to shore up the bullpen. They get Grabow for a guy who is only in the majors because of injuries and this is a horrible trade? Gorzellany, in 6 seasons in th minors, has an ERA of 2.78 and is the sam age as Hart.
WhatTheFuld

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Jul 30, 2009
I hope this trade means we see less of Heilman in close situations. He's the Wuertz of this season.

And maybe this doesn't rule out another trade before the deadline. Might I suggest a trade involving Dempster and Fontenot for either a quality starter or a 2nd basemen?

Fox might even need to be on the table (as much as I hate to say it) as he could be attractive to some looking for power.
Big Cat

Schaumburg, IL

#13 Jul 30, 2009
JeffD wrote:
Horrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.
All for a 30-year old reliever and a starter who has sucked the last two years and couldn't find a place in the pitching staff for one of the worst teams in the NL.
The Cardinals go out and get Lugo, DeRosa and Holliday. We get Grabow, Gorgonzola and Jeff Baker. That, my friends is why we'll be watching St. Louis in the playoffs this year.
Hey smart guy, you wanna tell me how you win next year's championship in 2009? There's only one World Series title up for grabs this year, I dunno if maybe you forgot that.

Hendry made out ok the last time he did a deadline deal with the Pirates, and while I don't exactly enjoy seeing Hart go, shoring up the bullpen for the playoff run the Cubs are going on is kinda important.

You know why the Cubs are only making minor adjustments at the trade deadline? BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE MORE TALENT THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE DIVISION DOES ON THEIR ROSTER, and I don't know what rock you've been living under the last couple weeks, but they're starting to play up to it.
JeffD

El Paso, TX

#14 Jul 30, 2009
The problem is, Portugoose, Marshall hasn't been effective as a starter. He has been much better as a reliever. I don't understand how plugging him back into the rotation in place of Hart (2.60 ERA) makes this a better team.
Stratmaster

Fairhope, AL

#15 Jul 30, 2009
Boston CubsFan wrote:
You've got to be kidding me?
This guy pitches his "Heart" out and gets traded to a last-place team for a guy with a career 4.x era?
Sending Fuld down, trading Hart.
I would have been happier had they sent Dempster, and I am being totally serious.
The Cubs scored allot of runs this 4 games series and the only one they lost was dempsters atrocity. Hart and Wells are both showing themselves to be superior pitchers to Dempster who folded like a lawn chair in last year's Game 1 playff-off.(I don't think I've ever seen a worse performance by a supposed #1 starter in a playoff game). He has continued that performance into this season with a 5-5 record and near 5.0 era.
Hendry just made another questionable move in a season full of them.
Hart pitches a couple decent games and he has proven himself suprior to Dempster? Have you been drinking Sam Adams all day?
Madhouse52

Jeffersonville, IN

#16 Jul 30, 2009
Sometimes Cubs fans can be dense. When Lilly comes back, there would be no room in the rotation or bullpen for Hart. With Marshall your only lefty out of the pen, you had to pick and choose when you would use him, and in what situations, because no one else could get lefties out (think Phillies lineup).

And, as far as next year goes, "if" Harden bounces, you move someone else into that spot, or sign someone else. Just because Hart was pitching well, doesn't mean he was the second coming of Cy Young. This trade is about this year, not next. Ascanio throws hard - so what? Some A ball 3rd baseman hits .300 - who cares? Quit crying and moaning about AAA and A-ball players.

This team was built to win now, and this move addresses today's needs.
Larrupin Lou

Carol Stream, IL

#17 Jul 30, 2009
Thats the way it goes, first your money than your clothes. You saw what we did with players i. e. De Rosa, so why should we treat Hart any different.
Howman

Chicago, IL

#18 Jul 30, 2009
Sounds like there have been more scouts in the stands in Pittsburg than fans. How many players are left from their opening day lineup?

Why couldn't Hendry have included Jeff Samardzija w/ this deal?
stone pony

Oak Lawn, IL

#19 Jul 30, 2009
MARIST HIGH SCHOOL on the Cubs!!!!!!!!!! Go Tommy!
JBS

United States

#20 Jul 30, 2009
Pay no attention to a number of Cubs fans posting in forums like this. They just have a soft spot for slow white guys with marginal talent. I mean, how else can you explain the desire to replace Soriano with Matt Murton in 2007? The desire to ditch Aramis Ramirez and replace him with Mark DeRosa because Ramirez doesn't "hustle enough?" And this year's favorite, the desire to replace Derrek Lee with Micah Hoffpauir? How would that have worked out? Oh, and by the way, you numb nuts finally got your wish this season: The French Connection playing everyday at second and short. How well did that work out? Fact is, there are nice players (DeRosa), there are role players (Fontenot and Hoffpauir), there are guys who are just destined to never make it in the bigs (Murton) and then there are studs (Soriano, Ramirez and Lee). And no, folks, Kevin Hart was never going to be a stud. And the jury is still out as to whether he will actually make it in the bigs.
Portugoose

San Francisco, CA

#21 Jul 30, 2009
JeffD wrote:
The problem is, Portugoose, Marshall hasn't been effective as a starter. He has been much better as a reliever. I don't understand how plugging him back into the rotation in place of Hart (2.60 ERA) makes this a better team.
Unless they're aces, right-handed starters will never be more valuable than left-handed starters, simply because, historically-speaking, the lefty-lefty matchup has a much larger advantage to the pitcher than a righty-righty one does, and the righty-lefty matchup is more of an advantage to the left-handed hitter than a lefty-righty is to a right-handed hitter.

Yeah, common sense says that Hart has been better than Marshall, but Marshall is still more valuable because he is a left-handed starter.

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