U. of I. chancellor to testify Monday...

U. of I. chancellor to testify Monday before clout commission

There are 21 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jul 3, 2009, titled U. of I. chancellor to testify Monday before clout commission. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

University of Illinois Chancellor Richard Herman, who routinely overruled his admissions staff to admit clouted students, is set to testify Monday before a state commission investigating the school's admissions system.

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Joseph

Chanhassen, MN

#1 Jul 5, 2009
...trust me when I say this: These sorts of things (intervention by Springfield/Chicago pols) occur at at least one other major Illinois university. I know.
jfr

Virginia Beach, VA

#2 Jul 5, 2009
That's right dude, you do have to answer to those that support you and that is what you will do! WE don't like rules being broken for a select few, got it? NOW, the day of reckoning approaches, time to answer to US, the taxpayers who have been paying for this admissions fiasco. hehe

Since: Oct 07

Schaumburg, IL

#4 Jul 6, 2009
If he was smart he would roll over and point the finger back the politicos so the Feds could have an easier case and then just retire.
disgusted

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Jul 6, 2009
just curious - will the students that got pushed out of their slots by the 'Caterogy 1 political backed students' be allowed to sue? Should they sue? Who should they sue?

just imagine how many lives have been altered because of the games that politicians played.
jenny

Lisle, IL

#6 Jul 6, 2009
This is so ridiculous...are critics suggesting that the admissions offices at universities are not to interpret the value of a candidate to the school? Grades are only one element. Newsflash...these schools get tons of funding from private donors and athletics.

These reporters should be spotlighted for spending resources of a financially crippled newspaper on an "ongoing investigation" of something that isn't news. No wonder the Trib is in $ trouble.
pjw

Wheaton, IL

#7 Jul 6, 2009
Although the Chancellor is testifying today, the committee is the one to watch. We'll find out today if it is for real or not.

One of the many questions they should ask Herman is the following:

Why were the acceptance letters for some of the clouted students delayed until the summer?

To me the fact they delayed these acceptance lettes is proof that they new what they were doing was wrong.

I'm sure Herman will have an initial prepared answer for that question. But let's see how the commission handles the initial answer. Will they push hard with follow-ups or will they accept it and move on?
John

United States

#8 Jul 6, 2009
Let's face it, the Governors commission will report, and that report will be trashed. Just like the Governors Commission on Ethics Reform watched it's hard work discarded.

When you try to take away the unethical and potentially illegal power of Madigan and Cullerton, they will fight back by creating their own solution, which is no solution at all.

Quinn is a weak-kneed and corrupt politician, just like most politicians in this state. He is and will do nothing, then proclaim it "landmark" What a joke.

Responding to the comment from Jenny above, I take it she likes the climate of corruption in this state. Apparently, many do. Somehow, crooks like Madigan and Cullerton keep getting re-elected.
Interested Observer

Highland Park, IL

#9 Jul 6, 2009
Think of this as Herman's exit interview. See ya!
anon

San Antonio, TX

#10 Jul 6, 2009
My family recently attended the "potential student" tour at UofI. One of the first slides presented during the presentation was the school highlights. On this slide was the fact the UofI was #1 in diversity of all Big Ten public universities - and had students attending from 100 countries. It is my opinion that UofI, as a publicly funded University, should be focusing on students who are residents of IL FIRST. Being #1 in this category tells me many deserving IL residents are being turned away. Diversity ranking should be held to #5 or #6 - NOT #1. There are PLENTY of deserving US minority students... Foreign students SHOULD NOT be counted in "diversity" quotas...
I also recently attended a presentation by the Chancellor of SIU-C - who stated he had been asked by the US State Department if the University could host 3,000 MORE students from China - he said: "I told the 'YES!'" After the presentation I approached him and asked if the University was sending American students to China as part of the deal. He replied "No". I informed him the US was missing an opportunity - and that US students were therefore missing an opportunity for JOBS.
I hope Trib reporters will check the facts I have presented here.
skiparoo

Le Roy, IL

#11 Jul 6, 2009
are these people "under oath?" or just another kangaroo proceeding from our crooked state.

JRR

Since: Jan 08

Central IL

#12 Jul 6, 2009
disgusted wrote:
just curious - will the students that got pushed out of their slots by the 'Caterogy 1 political backed students' be allowed to sue? Should they sue? Who should they sue?
Are you someone whose kneejerk response to any grievance is to file a lawsuit? No wonder there are so many bottomfeeding lawyers making good money.

What would the grievance be? That you had an inalienable right to attend the U of I?

JRR

Since: Jan 08

Central IL

#13 Jul 6, 2009
anon wrote:
My family recently attended the "potential student" tour at UofI. One of the first slides presented during the presentation was the school highlights. On this slide was the fact the UofI was #1 in diversity of all Big Ten public universities - and had students attending from 100 countries. It is my opinion that UofI, as a publicly funded University, should be focusing on students who are residents of IL FIRST.
For one thing, there are financial reasons for this: Tuition at the U of I and other state institutions for out-of-state students is roughly double what Illinois residents pay.

More important, any world-class university will seek the most qualified applicants from anywhere in the world. This gives universities like the U of I the biggest pool of qualified applicants to consider, and they can choose the cream of the crop. Setting a quota that would limit the number of non-Illinois applicants would be counterproductive to the goals of producing world-class research, of producing graduates who go on to change the world, and of strengthening the U of I's reputation as a world-class university.

JRR

Since: Jan 08

Central IL

#14 Jul 6, 2009
skiparoo wrote:
are these people "under oath?" or just another kangaroo proceeding from our crooked state.
Judge Abner Mikva, who leads the commission, is a man of unimpeachable character. However, the commission's mandate is simply to investigate and recommend.

It will ultimately be up to state government to clean up the mess. I do not have as much faith in the people in Springfield as I do in Mikva and his commission.
Lawyers are Scum

Springfield, IL

#15 Jul 6, 2009
disgusted wrote:
just curious - will the students that got pushed out of their slots by the 'Caterogy 1 political backed students' be allowed to sue? Should they sue? Who should they sue?
just imagine how many lives have been altered because of the games that politicians played.
Yes.. plz sue, that way I can make more money at the tax payers expense. I just keep getting the case contined and collect everytime I show up in court. It's called billable hours. I love being a lawyer.
anon

San Antonio, TX

#16 Jul 6, 2009
JRR Wrote: "..."
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Double the Tuition: Are you saying Non-US citizen's CAN'T get scholorships? My understanding from the presentation was that scholorships were awarded to the "best", not "the best IL students".
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"Best & Brightest" racist nonsense: Just based on population alone, China and India would be able to fill EVERY US university's freshman classes with students who score higher than the top 5% IL students.
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My point still stands - there is NO reason to be #1 of the top big ten in this area...number 5 or 6 would be just fine. This is just another indicator of the people who work there having an agenda (like getting the undeserving politically connected in). Someone WANTS to be #1 in this area... This is NOT an area of competition, this is a choice.
long time tax payer

North Aurora, IL

#17 Jul 6, 2009
JRR wrote:
<quoted text>For one thing, there are financial reasons for this: Tuition at the U of I and other state institutions for out-of-state students is roughly double what Illinois residents pay.
More important, any world-class university will seek the most qualified applicants from anywhere in the world. This gives universities like the U of I the biggest pool of qualified applicants to consider, and they can choose the cream of the crop. Setting a quota that would limit the number of non-Illinois applicants would be counterproductive to the goals of producing world-class research, of producing graduates who go on to change the world, and of strengthening the U of I's reputation as a world-class university.
Herein lies the problem. The University of Illinois was established to serve the citizens of Illinois by providing them the opportunity to receive a quality education. In other words to teach. The UOI has effectively abandoned this mission by shifting its focus to research and the training of foreign nationals who once they have a degree export the knowledge gained back to their home countries.

JRR

Since: Jan 08

Central IL

#18 Jul 6, 2009
anon wrote:
JRR Wrote: "..."
Double the Tuition: Are you saying Non-US citizen's CAN'T get scholorships? My understanding from the presentation was that scholorships were awarded to the "best", not "the best IL students".
Since you're such an expert on higher education, you might want to note that the word is "scholarship". Many scholarships are funded from outside and wind up paying the tuition for the student, meaning that the University gets the same money they would have, but it doesn't come out of the student's pockets.
anon wrote:
"Best & Brightest" racist nonsense: Just based on population alone, China and India would be able to fill EVERY US university's freshman classes with students who score higher than the top 5% IL students.
How is what I said racist but what you say isn't? Given the state's neglect of higher education, why would or should the University of Illinois (or any other university) turn down potential customers -- especially ones who pay full freight?
anon wrote:
My point still stands - there is NO reason to be #1 of the top big ten in this area...number 5 or 6 would be just fine.
Nice to see that you're a proponent of mediocrity.
anon wrote:
This is just another indicator of the people who work there having an agenda (like getting the undeserving politically connected in). Someone WANTS to be #1 in this area... This is NOT an area of competition, this is a choice.
The corruption in getting undeserving politically-connected students in to the U of I is a problem that needs to be fixed both inside the University and in Springfield, but I put more of the blame on the politicians who abuse their power than on the top people at the U of I who are reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.

As far as the "agenda" of the U of I to be a leading university, I hate to break it to you, but it's not just the people who work at the U of I having an agenda; it's the alumni, state officials, business leaders who have the foresight to see that Illinois benefits from having a top-notch university in their midst. I doubt anyone turned away by the U of I has failed to find a place in one of the other state-supported universities in Illinois.

JRR

Since: Jan 08

Central IL

#19 Jul 6, 2009
long time tax payer wrote:
<quoted text>
Herein lies the problem. The University of Illinois was established to serve the citizens of Illinois by providing them the opportunity to receive a quality education. In other words to teach. The UOI has effectively abandoned this mission by shifting its focus to research and the training of foreign nationals who once they have a degree export the knowledge gained back to their home countries.
I didn't realize that knowledge was something to be guarded like Fort Knox and made available to only those people with the right pedigree, nationality, or skin color. Knowledge is of little value unless it is shared with anyone with the passion for learning and the intellectual capacity to do something useful with that knowledge.

The U of I's predecessor was originally chartered "to teach such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanical arts." No doubt the fact that they having been teaching things outside that very narrow scope for over a century will alarm you. You might want to write your representative and complain; tell him or her that the U of I needs to return to its roots rather than do what makes sense in today's world.

To be sure, there are students who simply want to learn a trade, and there are plenty of trade schools where that knowledge can be obtained. The U of I serves a different role. But given what you've already professed, I can't expect you to understand the relationship between teaching and research, or to comprehend the value of research.
Mark Winshel

Walnut Creek, CA

#20 Jul 6, 2009
Rather than giving his answers orally, Richard Herman should be required to put them in writing and in fact make them into a book.

Since I am sure that any book composed of his "answers" to the questions would in the creative writing category get a Nobel prize, a Pulitzer prize, and an Olympic gold medal.
Let the Light Shine In

Lisle, IL

#21 Jul 6, 2009
I believe Mr. Herman is a employee of the State of Illinois, correct? Isnt he required to take the ethic's test every year? Having violated his position he needs to be fired immediately. He can be given what money he has contributed to his pension and then be shown the door. This will start to send the message to these people and in turn save the tax payers for the huge pension this guy would be getting.I suspect nothing will get done after all the foxes are the ones in charge of the hen house.

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