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#75888 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
The Greeks asserted that the Jews were Indians whom the Syrians called Judea, the Sanskrit synonym of which is Yadava or Yaudheya, and the Indians also called them Kalanis, meaning orthodox followers of the
scriptures.
I guess they still haven't progressed as far as DNA scientific knowledge and neither have you
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75890 Aug 17, 2014
VEDAS - WORLD'S OLDEST RELIGIOUS TEXTS

The Vedas are the oldest religious texts in the world and the latest research by Georg Fuerstein, Subhash Kak, R S Sharma, B G Tilak, David Frawley and other scholars reveal that the Vedas were put into written form in 5000 BC or earlier, while the oral form of the Vedas extends back to an unknown antiquity. These books speak of verifiable astronomical events and geological happenings that date back tens of thousands of years and in these books there is repeated mention of the early home of the Vedas being at the North Pole in an ice free age. They were given their present written form much before the river Saraswathi dried up in 1800 BC. The antiquity of the Vedas is also confirmed by the 4000 to 5000 year old Zend Avesta of the Zoroastrians.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75891 Aug 17, 2014
RIG VEDA HONORED BY UNESCO:

The Rig Veda manuscripts, housed at the famed Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune, have been selected for inscription in UNESCO's "Memory of the World" Register, 2007.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75892 Aug 17, 2014
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:

The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:

A) Rig Veda:

1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)

2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)

3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)

4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)

B) The Yajur Veda:

1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)

2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)

sources:

. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D

. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75893 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:
The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:
A) Rig Veda:
1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)
2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)
3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)
4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)
B) The Yajur Veda:
1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)
2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)
sources:
. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D
. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Come on Joel. There is a vernal equinox and a winter solstice every year. And there is never a winter equinox.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75894 Aug 17, 2014
GLOBAL FLOOD MYTH

1) The earliest mention of the global flood is in the ancient Sanskrit books from where younger Babylonian civilizations picked it up due to inter-flow of knowledge via trade routes between the Indo-Aryans and the inhabitants of the ME.

2) Geologically, there is no evidence that a global flood ever took place and given the fact that the Sanskrit books talk about Vishnu, Vaivasvat and other supraphysical entities involved in the so-called global flood directing the first male-female pair it is this apparent that the global flood has a mystical significance and does not refer to an actual flood on earth.

3) In these mystical texts, a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context and often the most esoteric events that are far removed from the plane of gross matter are narrated using gross physical examples.

4) In mystical parlance, for example, the term "the waters" does not refer to a sea or to an ocean or to a body of water as we ordinarily understand it in gross physical language. In mysticism, the term "the waters" refers to the dynamic sentient energy fields of the cosmic vital plane. The first "male-female pair" is the purush-prakriti combine of forces that manifest on the mind plane before materializing on the gross physical plane. Similarly, in mysticism, "breath" or "airs" refer to the vital principle (life force), "sun" refers to the illumined mind and so on.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75895 Aug 17, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

Come on Joel. There is a vernal equinox and a winter solstice every year. And there is never a winter equinox.
The info is recorded in the Vedas by the Aryans in the distant past when most likely winter set in in September itself which is a matter of climate change over the millennia.

In the Indian subcontinent there's no spring and no autumn.

In India we have 3 well-marked seasons - summer, monsoon and winter.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75896 Aug 17, 2014
CLIMATE CHANGE OVER THE MILLENNIA

1) The earth's axis has tilted and keeps doing so periodically giving rise to change in climate.

2) The Vedas, as per the astronomical and geographical data they contain, were initially revealed to the Aryans living near the North Pole in an ice-free age unknown millennia ago.

3) The climate all over the world has changed considerably over the millennia since what it was during those ancient days.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75897 Aug 17, 2014
PERIODIC TILTS OF THE EARTH OVER MILLENNIA GIVE RISE TO CLIMATE CHANGE

Natural tilts in earth's axis cause ice ages, says Harvard scientist - and their cycles could help predict the next one. Tilts cause glaciers to advance and retreat. Two cycles combine to cause ice ages could help predict long-term changes in climate.

By Rob Waugh


UPDATED: 19:15 GMT, 2 February 2012

The idea that slight shifts in Earth's axis might have been enough to trigger the ice ages is a century old. But a Harvard earth sciences Professor Peter Huybers has finally proved it, using computer models to test competing ideas - and finding that earth's tilting axis is the only one that works.

The finding could have profound implications for our understanding of our planet's climate - and could, its author says, be crucial to 'predicting long-term changes in future climate.'

Two 'cycles' in the way Earth's axis spins have an effect on the cycle - one lasting 10,000 years and one lasting roughly 40,000 years. When they align correctly, ice melts. At the other extreme, glaciers advance.

The idea that these could dictate the cycles of glaciation in Earth's climate was first proposed by Serbian geophysicist Milutin Milankovitch in the first half of the twentieth century.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75898 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
The info is recorded in the Vedas by the Aryans in the distant past when most likely winter set in in September itself which is a matter of climate change over the millennia.
In the Indian subcontinent there's no spring and no autumn.
In India we have 3 well-marked seasons - summer, monsoon and winter.
But, Joel, the equinox and solstice are not defined by climate. They are defined by the position of the sun with resulting length of day. There is nothing remarkable about noting equinox and solstice. They happen twice per year, every year.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75899 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
GLOBAL FLOOD MYTH
1) The earliest mention of the global flood is in the ancient Sanskrit books from where younger Babylonian civilizations picked it up due to inter-flow of knowledge via trade routes between the Indo-Aryans and the inhabitants of the ME.
2) Geologically, there is no evidence that a global flood ever took place and given the fact that the Sanskrit books talk about Vishnu, Vaivasvat and other supraphysical entities involved in the so-called global flood directing the first male-female pair it is this apparent that the global flood has a mystical significance and does not refer to an actual flood on earth.
3) In these mystical texts, a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context and often the most esoteric events that are far removed from the plane of gross matter are narrated using gross physical examples.
4) In mystical parlance, for example, the term "the waters" does not refer to a sea or to an ocean or to a body of water as we ordinarily understand it in gross physical language. In mysticism, the term "the waters" refers to the dynamic sentient energy fields of the cosmic vital plane. The first "male-female pair" is the purush-prakriti combine of forces that manifest on the mind plane before materializing on the gross physical plane. Similarly, in mysticism, "breath" or "airs" refer to the vital principle (life force), "sun" refers to the illumined mind and so on.
What you fail to grasp is that almost every culture on Earth has the story of a great flood. Africans; Pacific Islanders; Native Americans; Chinese; Pagan Europeans; etc. Gives it a lot of credibility.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75900 Aug 17, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

But, Joel, the equinox and solstice are not defined by climate. They are defined by the position of the sun with resulting length of day. There is nothing remarkable about noting equinox and solstice. They happen twice per year, every year.
LOL.

If say an equinox takes place on date X when it is spring in present times then in the distant past when it was winter on date X due to climate change brought on by tilt of the earth's axis the same equinox would take place and would be called a winter equinox.

Besides, the changing tilt of the earth over millennia would cause a difference in the location of the heat zones in terms of latitudinal extent as well as in the apparent movement of the sun between the tropics which would as a result either shrink or extend as the case may be through the 0 degree latitudes.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75901 Aug 17, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

What you fail to grasp is that almost every culture on Earth has the story of a great flood. Africans; Pacific Islanders; Native Americans; Chinese; Pagan Europeans; etc. Gives it a lot of credibility.
Global flood is first recorded in the Vedas and thereafter in other cultures.

There's no geological evidence to support the same and it is illogical to speak of taking on board the ship single pairs of the tens of millions of species including aquatic and aerial and subterranean forms that were then present and it is silly to assume that these individual pairs restart life after the flood which would result in incest of the worst kind that would wipe out or retard the subsequent generations.

The global flood myth is a mystical event as narrated in my previous post on the subject.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75902 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
If say an equinox takes place on date X when it is spring in present times then in the distant past when it was winter on date X due to climate change brought on by tilt of the earth's axis the same equinox would take place and would be called a winter equinox.
Besides, the changing tilt of the earth over millennia would cause a difference in the location of the heat zones in terms of latitudinal extent as well as in the apparent movement of the sun between the tropics which would as a result either shrink or extend as the case may be through the 0 degree latitudes.
And, they happen each year. Nothing remarkable.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75903 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Global flood is first recorded in the Vedas and thereafter in other cultures.
There's no geological evidence to support the same and it is illogical to speak of taking on board the ship single pairs of the tens of millions of species including aquatic and aerial and subterranean forms that were then present and it is silly to assume that these individual pairs restart life after the flood which would result in incest of the worst kind that would wipe out or retard the subsequent generations.
The global flood myth is a mystical event as narrated in my previous post on the subject.
Joel, you need to get your story straight. Vedas or Sanskrit? If Vedas, you have told us the extreme accuracy of the Vedas. Now not so accurate?

And, explain to me how the Polynesians came in contact with the Vedas?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#75904 Aug 18, 2014
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
If say an equinox takes place on date X when it is spring in present times then in the distant past when it was winter on date X due to climate change brought on by tilt of the earth's axis the same equinox would take place and would be called a winter equinox.
Besides, the changing tilt of the earth over millennia would cause a difference in the location of the heat zones in terms of latitudinal extent as well as in the apparent movement of the sun between the tropics which would as a result either shrink or extend as the case may be through the 0 degree latitudes.
what you are describing - change in the orbital configuration - is not climate change. It may lead to climate change. Therefore Eric was correct and you are desperately trying to save yourself.

The real problem is that you cut and paste without reading it first.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#75905 Aug 18, 2014
JOEL wrote:
PERIODIC TILTS OF THE EARTH OVER MILLENNIA GIVE RISE TO CLIMATE CHANGE
Natural tilts in earth's axis cause ice ages, says Harvard scientist - and their cycles could help predict the next one. Tilts cause glaciers to advance and retreat. Two cycles combine to cause ice ages could help predict long-term changes in climate.
By Rob Waugh
UPDATED: 19:15 GMT, 2 February 2012
The idea that slight shifts in Earth's axis might have been enough to trigger the ice ages is a century old. But a Harvard earth sciences Professor Peter Huybers has finally proved it, using computer models to test competing ideas - and finding that earth's tilting axis is the only one that works.
The finding could have profound implications for our understanding of our planet's climate - and could, its author says, be crucial to 'predicting long-term changes in future climate.'
Two 'cycles' in the way Earth's axis spins have an effect on the cycle - one lasting 10,000 years and one lasting roughly 40,000 years. When they align correctly, ice melts. At the other extreme, glaciers advance.
The idea that these could dictate the cycles of glaciation in Earth's climate was first proposed by Serbian geophysicist Milutin Milankovitch in the first half of the twentieth century.
such NEW news that I remember learning about this over 30 years in school during Earth Science class

stick to navel gazing

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#75906 Aug 18, 2014
JOEL wrote:
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:
The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:
A) Rig Veda:
1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)
2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)
3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)
4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)
B) The Yajur Veda:
1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)
2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)
sources:
. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D
. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Gee, a bunch of barely literate cavemen sitting around at night without electricity having nothing better to do but to gaze at the night school.

And they discover that daylight and nighttime length is variable.

Shocked, Shocked, Shocked...maybe a Nobel prize for science.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#75907 Aug 18, 2014
oops - I meant night sky
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75908 Aug 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

what you are describing - change in the orbital configuration - is not climate change. It may lead to climate change.
Eric being intellectually dull did not get my point and you too have missed the reasoning since you have a low IQ.

I never referred to ORBITAL CONFIGURATION (or change in the rate of rotation of the earth) which would only be subject to change if the centrifugal and Coriolis forces acting respectively within the geo-mass and normal to the earth's horizontal plane would undergo a change and this would most likely be determined by the earth's NiFe core depending on whether it discharges greater or lesser amounts of EM field effects which cause rotation.

I simply said that a change in the earth's tilt away from the vertical (due to tectonic activity or due to external gravitational effects acting on the earth) would result in seasonal changes and that over the millennia (due to the changing tilt of the earth's axis with respect to the vertical), climate changes have taken place leading thereby to change of temperature and shifting heat zones and changing latitudes.

With gradual changing tilt of the earth's axis leading finally to pole shift, the mathematical constructs called latitudes would shift and hence the tropics that range from 23.5 degree N/S of the 0 degree latitude would also shift and the incoming solar insolation, would, as a result of the changing tilt, create new heat zones (torrid, temperate and frigid) and these would logically speaking be positioned on new latitudes which would not tally with the present values.

Climate has changed immensely over the millennia and so it is possible that the Aryans living at/near the North Pole experienced winter in September itself millennia ago thereby giving rise to a winter equinox.

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