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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Eric

Aurora, IL

#75434 Jul 28, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Address what comes below.
My quote, "Jefferson in 1779 " wrote a LAW in VIRGINIA which contained a PUNISHMENT of CASTRATION for men who engage in SODOMY"
The answer Hugh is that you are wrong. The bill never passed. I gave you a citation to a scholarly paper on the subject.

You have offered nothing, whether scholarly or not, in support of your premise that the bill passed.

You can't object to the constitutionality of something never enacted.

Further, you can't object to the constitutionality of something before the Constitution existed.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#75437 Jul 28, 2014
Eric wrote:
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The answer Hugh is that you are wrong. The bill never passed. I gave you a citation to a scholarly paper on the subject.
You have offered nothing, whether scholarly or not, in support of your premise that the bill passed.
You can't object to the constitutionality of something never enacted.
Further, you can't object to the constitutionality of something before the Constitution existed.
Understand, Jefferson understood the Constitution better than ALL of your modern lawyers and Judges and hence his BILL to CASTRATE homosexuals.

Also since some foolishly claim that the American Constitution supported homosexuality explain the ignorance of the following lawmakers. In explaining tell me the year when the Constitution was effective. Hint:1789. Tell me why in 7 years after the constitution was effective CONTEMPORARIES of it had an INCORRECT understanding of it and so passed the following LAW..----

"On March 18, 1796, New Jersey passed "An Act for the Punishment of Crimes" that made anyone convicted of sodomy liable to "a fine and solitary confinement at hard labor for any term not exceeding twenty-one years."" 287

Perhaps those lawmakers were too close to the constitution or were CONTEMPORARIES of the adoption and making of the Constitution to understand it. In fact TRUE understanding would come 200 years later by judges who were NEVER born at the time.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75438 Jul 28, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Understand, Jefferson understood the Constitution better than ALL of your modern lawyers and Judges and hence his BILL to CASTRATE homosexuals.
Also since some foolishly claim that the American Constitution supported homosexuality explain the ignorance of the following lawmakers. In explaining tell me the year when the Constitution was effective. Hint:1789. Tell me why in 7 years after the constitution was effective CONTEMPORARIES of it had an INCORRECT understanding of it and so passed the following LAW..----
"On March 18, 1796, New Jersey passed "An Act for the Punishment of Crimes" that made anyone convicted of sodomy liable to "a fine and solitary confinement at hard labor for any term not exceeding twenty-one years."" 287
Perhaps those lawmakers were too close to the constitution or were CONTEMPORARIES of the adoption and making of the Constitution to understand it. In fact TRUE understanding would come 200 years later by judges who were NEVER born at the time.
Ah, no Hugh. You have to first show that Jefferson's bill was enacted and then we'll address your other issues. And, there still was no Constitution at the time Jefferson proposed the bill. So how could Jefferson understand a document that didn't exist.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75439 Jul 28, 2014
The terrorist, racist and illegal state of ISRAEL does not grant public holidays on Christian or Muslim festivals but Jews claim all rights in secular democracies. Yet, Christian nations rush to its aid at the drop of a hate. Shame.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75440 Jul 28, 2014
Meanwhile, FRANCE is set to open its doors to tens of thousands of displaced Christians from North Iraq who were forced to flee their homes after the ISIS Islamic militants gave them an ultimatum to either convert to Islam, pay the Jizziya tax or face execution.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75441 Jul 28, 2014
RACISM AND RELIGIOUS FANATICISM OF DEMON WORSHIPPERS

ISRAEL and the ISLAMIC NATIONS treat Christians shabbily and do not permit Christian immigrants into their lands and the Christians who live in these nations are treated shabbily or made to feel like second class citizens and the governments do not even recognize Christian holidays. Christian nations usually open their doors wide to Jews or Muslims seeking citizenship or asylum and the Jews and Muslims emigres in Christian lands soon begin to assert their presence and demand that the law accommodates their religious and cultural rights and openly seek to twist foreign policy favoring either Israel or the Islamic bloc of nations.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75442 Jul 28, 2014
Christians should better wake up, fast! They are being taken for a ride by Jews and Muslims.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75443 Jul 28, 2014
It appears to be the same as in the US, UK, etc. While others are free to observe their religious holidays, only the religious holidays of the majority are officially recognized. None grant public holidays on Jewish festivals except Israel. Does India grant public holidays on Jewish festivals? Does that make India less of a democracy?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75444 Jul 28, 2014
Eric wrote:
Does India grant public holidays on Jewish festivals? Does that make India less of a democracy?
India grants public holidays to every religious minority that has a sizable presence.

There are only 3000 odd Jews in India and so there's no official holiday set aside for the Jews.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75445 Jul 28, 2014
Only in the West and India, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Muslims are free to aspire to the highest post of the land without discrimination. In many cases, the governments of these nations go out of their way to appoint persons of religious minorities to important official positions. This is some form of true secularism practiced only in the West and India. You can't expect such illumined practices in Israel or in the Islamic nations.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75447 Jul 28, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
India grants public holidays to every religious minority that has a sizable presence.
There are only 3000 odd Jews in India and so there's no official holiday set aside for the Jews.
Excuses excuses.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75450 Jul 28, 2014
Eric wrote:
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Excuses excuses.
No, what I have said is true about the enlightened secularism of India - ok, demon-worshipping crooked lawyer with an IQ of 2?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75451 Jul 28, 2014
India grants full rights/citizenship to Jews who've been welcomed here since millennia. Would say Muslims or Hindus wishing to settle in Israel be given Israeli citizenship and treated as equals in Israel? No.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75453 Jul 28, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
India grants full rights/citizenship to Jews who've been welcomed here since millennia. Would say Muslims or Hindus wishing to settle in Israel be given Israeli citizenship and treated as equals in Israel? No.
According to you in that millenia they haven't granted the ability to have a national holiday even when they did have more people. There are Muslims with Israeli citizenship now. They have seats in the Knesset.

Human sponge with no personality or friends or advocation who continues to supp off the teats of your deceased parents.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75454 Jul 28, 2014
Eric wrote:
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According to you in that millenia they haven't granted the ability to have a national holiday even when they did have more people.
LOL

India was not a unified nation when a few thousand Jews landed here 2000 years or more ago but they were welcomed and land and money were given to them by the kings of the lands where they settled to build synagogues and houses and to start businesses.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75455 Jul 28, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

Human sponge with no personality or friends or advocation who continues to supp off the teats of your deceased parents.
Hi brain-dead demon worshiper,

Try passing the IIT JEE as I did and then talk to me, OK?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#75456 Jul 28, 2014
Eric wrote:
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There are Muslims with Israeli citizenship now. They have seats in the Knesset.
Native Arab Muslims make up to 20 percent or so of Israel's population. Obviously, all the native Muslims did not flee to neighboring lands when Israel was carved out of Arab land. So, naturally, the remnant Muslim population had to be granted Israeli citizenship by right of being inhabitants of the land.

Now, how about Israel granting asylum or citizenship to Muslims, Christians, Buddhists or Hindus of non-Jewish blood who wish to settle in Israel?

Obviously, it will not be done.

OK, demon worshipper?

LOl
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#75458 Jul 28, 2014
Where is the US, the UN, the EU, Russia?
Too busy in saving Hamas' arse.

Muslims Take Fifty Innocent People, Cut Their Heads Off, And Place Their Heads On Poles All Throughout The Area (Must See Footage)

Where is your outrage over this Atrocity?

Warning NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED.

http://shoebat.com/2014/07/26/muslims-take-fi...

Or do you reserve your vitriol for Israel and Jews?

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Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#75459 Jul 28, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
RACISM AND RELIGIOUS FANATICISM OF DEMON WORSHIPPERS
ISRAEL and the ISLAMIC NATIONS treat Christians shabbily and do not permit Christian immigrants into their lands and the Christians who live in these nations are treated shabbily or made to feel like second class citizens and the governments do not even recognize Christian holidays. Christian nations usually open their doors wide to Jews or Muslims seeking citizenship or asylum and the Jews and Muslims emigres in Christian lands soon begin to assert their presence and demand that the law accommodates their religious and cultural rights and openly seek to twist foreign policy favoring either Israel or the Islamic bloc of nations.
and more lies about Israel by another scumbag nobody.
Uzi

Kfar Saba, Israel

#75460 Jul 28, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
India was not a unified nation when a few thousand Jews landed here 2000 years or more ago but they were welcomed and land and money were given to them by the kings of the lands where they settled to build synagogues and houses and to start businesses.
Jews go to places to build teach help and NOT TO DESTROY everything like your nazislamist friends. Fuck peace loving islam

Where is the US, the UN, the EU, Russia?
Too busy in saving Hamas' arse.

Muslims Take Fifty Innocent People, Cut Their Heads Off, And Place Their Heads On Poles All Throughout The Area (Must See Footage)

Where is your outrage over this Atrocity?

Warning NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED.

http://shoebat.com/2014/07/26/muslims-take-fi...

Or do you reserve your vitriol for Israel and Jews?

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