Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74196 Jun 6, 2014
Hugh---When did the doctors and scientists in India learn about AIDS? Is it 2000 years ago?

Joel---Earlier.

Hugh--- Interesting

Joel---There is mention of a disease condition resembling AIDS in the anceint ayurveda and aside from this this disases codntion the medical treatise contains amazing information on germs, immune system, therapies, formation of sperm/ovum, inoculation, brain surgery, 3000 methods of surgery, heart and its functions, plastic surgery, bone setting, diet, classes of life forces and how they move the organs and how their imbalance adversely affects health etc. etc etc

Hugh--- List the therapies that they used 2000 years ago for AIDS. Have they progressed to a cure by now? Do they need another 2000 years before they come up with a cure?

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#74197 Jun 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Nature has its own laws that are mandatory and like man-made laws violations carry punishment.
Punishment involves the religion notion of "sin".

Punishment also involves the legal notion of right and wrong.

Nature does not function on the basis of sin or virtue, or right or wrong.

As said earlier, nature has an innate mechanise based on a cause-effect relationship in which all notions of sin or virtue or of right or wrong are absent.

If a virtuous man and a wicked man swallows poison, both are bound to suffer and die and a bolt of lightning can simultaneously strike a good man and a bad man and kill both.

So, where is the idea of punishment in nature?

Punishment is a theological concept and/or a legal idea based on human mental constructs.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74198 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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You're talking rubbish.
Natural laws carry an innate cause-effect mechanism like say the thermonuclear cycle, curvature of space-time, heat and pressure conditions affecting states of matter, law of attraction between opposite electrical charges/opposite magnetic poles, law of repulsion of like electrical charges/like magnetic poles, endosmosis, exosmosis, photosyntesis, germination, suction pressure, particle-antiparticle annihilation, cosmic cycles, inertia as a property of mass and so on which cannot be classified as legal or illegal.
Hugh---Nature has its own laws that are mandatory and like man-made laws violations carry punishment.

Plant a tree in the sky and tell me about it.

Joel---You're talking rubbish.

Hugh--- Before you open your mouth THINK. Let me explain an ILLEGAL activity is one that is FORBIDDEN. So, since nature does not FORBID the planting of a tree in the sky go right ahead and plant one.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74199 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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A gradation of consciousness in its deductive mode.
Hugh----What is mind? What is mind a part of?

Joel---A gradation of consciousness in its deductive mode.

Hugh--- Is this "gradation of consciousness " a part of NATURE?

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#74200 Jun 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Hugh--- List the therapies that they used 2000 years ago for AIDS. Have they progressed to a cure by now? Do they need another 2000 years before they come up with a cure?
Cure for a disease condition resembling AIDS exists in ayurveda that involves herbal medication, deep breathing exercises and recommended diet to build-up the immune system.

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#74201 Jun 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh---

Let me explain an ILLEGAL activity is one that is FORBIDDEN.
Forbidden?

By whom?

Nature functions on the basis of an inherent cause-effect mechanism.

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#74202 Jun 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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So, since nature does not FORBID the planting of a tree in the sky go right ahead and plant one.
Nature does not forbid the planting of a tree in the sky.

A tree cannot be planted in the sky since the right conditions for germination of the seed especially soil does not exist in the atmosphere. Perhaps, a hydroponics experiment could succeed in the sky if a seed could be anchored in a pocket of aerial water vapor.

Nature cannot forbid or condone anything since it works on the basis of causation.

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#74203 Jun 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh----What is mind? What is mind a part of?

Joel---A gradation of consciousness in its deductive mode.

Hugh--- Is this "gradation of consciousness " a part of NATURE?
Not of gross physical nature that we refer to.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74204 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Punishment involves the religion notion of "sin".
Punishment also involves the legal notion of right and wrong.
Nature does not function on the basis of sin or virtue, or right or wrong.
As said earlier, nature has an innate mechanise based on a cause-effect relationship in which all notions of sin or virtue or of right or wrong are absent.
If a virtuous man and a wicked man swallows poison, both are bound to suffer and die and a bolt of lightning can simultaneously strike a good man and a bad man and kill both.
So, where is the idea of punishment in nature?
Punishment is a theological concept and/or a legal idea based on human mental constructs.
Hugh---Nature has its own laws that are mandatory and like man-made laws violations carry punishment.

Joel---Punishment involves the religion notion of "sin".

Hugh--- So when you don't do your HW and you are punished it is because you have sinned?

Joel---Punishment also involves the legal notion of right and wrong.

Hugh--- noted

Joel---Nature does not function on the basis of sin or virtue, or right or wrong.

Hugh---- It does speak in terms of right and wrong but you do not understand it. Nature has laws and like man-made laws ALL deviations from nature's laws are wrong.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74205 Jun 6, 2014
Hugh----an ILLEGAL activity is one that is FORBIDDEN.

JOEL COOL DUDE---Forbidden?By whom?
Nature functions on the basis of an inherent cause-effect mechanism.

Hugh--- Plant a tree in the sky. Nature FORBIDS it.

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#74206 Jun 6, 2014
Enough of this childish debate with a fool. Go and play with the bonobos. Bye.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74207 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Cure for a disease condition resembling AIDS exists in ayurveda that involves herbal medication, deep breathing exercises and recommended diet to build-up the immune system.
in essence they meaning doctors in India need another 2000 years to come up with a cure.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74208 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Nature does not forbid the planting of a tree in the sky.
A tree cannot be planted in the sky since the right conditions for germination of the seed especially soil does not exist in the atmosphere. Perhaps, a hydroponics experiment could succeed in the sky if a seed could be anchored in a pocket of aerial water vapor.
Nature cannot forbid or condone anything since it works on the basis of causation.
Joel---Nature does NOT forbid the planting of a tree in the sky.

Hugh--- Over here FORBID has one meaning of making it impossible. So since it is not impossible to plant a tree in the sky do it now.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74209 Jun 6, 2014
Hugh--- Is this "gradation of consciousness " a part of NATURE?

JOEL COOL DUDE-----Not of gross physical nature that we refer to.

Hugh--- Make another attempt at answering my question.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#74210 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
QUESTION ON RACES
If phenotype manifestations are a result of genetic mutations, then:
1) How does one account for the marked anatomical variations and vast intellectual differences among the races?
2) Can the genotype of an African be manipulated in the lab so that his phenotypal features and mental abilities match those of say a Japanese or a European?
I did not say genotypical.
Phenotypical brought on by environment and hormones.

You fail to distinguish and overcompensate in the next 1) dumb statement.
Given 1) is nonsensical 2) cannot follow in any means or form as consequence.

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#74211 Jun 6, 2014
MAAT wrote:
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Phenotypical brought on by environment and hormones.
1) Can an African subject be manipulated in the lab by ENVIRONMENTAL/HORMONAL INPUTS so that his phenotypal features and mental abilities match those of say a Japanese or a European?

2) How does one account for the marked anatomical variations (including bodily characteristics, bone density, organ capacity etc) and vast intellectual differences among the races?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74212 Jun 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Enough of this childish debate with a fool. Go and play with the bonobos. Bye.
Your emotional outburst tells me that it is that time of month.

Bi
Eric

Villa Park, IL

#74213 Jun 6, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---I but know the commandments, and therefore ask why do ye diminish ought from it:
Hugh--- Indeed you KNOW but you do NOT UNDERSTAND them. Once again, to OBEY is better than SACRIFICES.
Numb Testicles:

So the reference to Deut. 4:2 didn't work out very well! So you've moved on.

You do understand that there is a big difference between an offering and a sacrifice. And, offerings can be a mitvah in and of themselves. For example, offerings from this week from our congregation went to local food banks. I think that's exactly what G-d meant to happen. The offerings were meant to feed people. The festival meant to feed men both physically and spiritually. A thanksgiving for the harvest and a thanksgiving for the Torah.

You need more love and less hate. More acceptance and less disdain.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74214 Jun 6, 2014
Eric wrote:
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Numb Testicles:
So the reference to Deut. 4:2 didn't work out very well! So you've moved on.
You do understand that there is a big difference between an offering and a sacrifice. And, offerings can be a mitvah in and of themselves. For example, offerings from this week from our congregation went to local food banks. I think that's exactly what G-d meant to happen. The offerings were meant to feed people. The festival meant to feed men both physically and spiritually. A thanksgiving for the harvest and a thanksgiving for the Torah.
You need more love and less hate. More acceptance and less disdain.
Eric---You need more love and less hate. More acceptance and less disdain

HughBe--- YOU Eric need to HATE more meaning HATE EVIL but you should try loving TRUTH and others instead of hating them.You have a long way to go, so start today. As for me, I shall continue to HATE evil, lies and deception things which are dear to your heart and cleave to TRUTH.

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#74215 Jun 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Hugh--- Is this "gradation of consciousness " a part of NATURE?

JOEL COOL DUDE-----Not of gross physical nature that we refer to.

Hugh--- Make another attempt at answering my question.
Is the deductive gradation of consciousness called the human mind the same as the rudimentary consciousness (vital-in-matter) that moves gross matter?

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