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#73124 May 5, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Sex acts between men and women will always be between men and women?

Well, that's a shock.
A straight man will always be sexually attracted to a woman and not to a male.

This is the normal sexual instinct.

The deviant instinct is when a man is sexually turned on by other men or by animals or by 7 year old kids.

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#73125 May 5, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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What about left handed people? Being left handed isn't normal.
There are quite a few people who're ambidextrous without this trait damaging their intelligence or warping their sexual orientation.

The intelligent question to ask is whether left-handedness impairs one's cognitive faculties or if it affects one's sexual orientation. Obviously, there's no connection.

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#73126 May 5, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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How convenient.

"Instinct" only matters when it backs up your point of view.
I said that fidelity in a relationship is very important because if trust is eroded due to infidelity then the relationship crumbles and brings with it much acrimony and often results in lasting psychological and emotional distress.

If you wish to safeguard your psychological, emotional, physical and material well being and that of others with who you are connected to then please place a high premium on fidelity and trust in everything that you do whether in business, with friends, with nation or with spouse.

This is the normal behavioral instinct where relationships are concerned.

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#73127 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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No, persecution complex is more a Jewish thing.
With Christians, it has everything to do with the sinner concept - the self-denigration idea which to me is so degrading.
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Your clueless about the American political context.

Ever hear about the "War on Christmas", for example?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/fox-news-w...

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#73128 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Like me, Former is an atheist. I doubt he believes in an objective moralty, but I'll let him speak for himself.
BTW - welcome to the thread. I should warn you, Hugh should only be taken in small doses (unless you're into masochism). The stupid oozes from his pores.
Or any of the incoherents here, for that matter.

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#73129 May 6, 2014
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Your clueless about the American political context.

Ever hear about the "War on Christmas", for example?
LMAO

I was not referring to the US political context or to the War on Xmas.

I simply said that most Jews everywhere, especially the European Jews, have this magnified persecution complex/victimhood (which they play up to gain advantages or to draw sympathy).

Ex-Jew/Jew-baiter, Noam Chomsky, has said that Israel has a huge persecution complex.

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#73130 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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LMAO
I was not referring to the US political context or to the War on Xmas.
But we were..and we are the ones driving the conversation here not you
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>I simply said that most Jews everywhere, especially the European Jews, have this magnified persecution complex/victimhood (which they play up to gain advantages or to draw sympathy).
Ex-Jew/Jew-baiter, Noam Chomsky, has said that Israel has a huge persecution complex.
Noam Chomsky speaks for the Jews like Glenn Beck speaks for the intelligent

Apu, you are stuck again in your head

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#73131 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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A straight man will always be sexually attracted to a woman and not to a male.
This is the normal sexual instinct.
Actually, most social scientists agree that gender is a social construction, and that the boundaries are more fluid that one might think...

Hughbe is a living example of this. I really doubt he even knows what he is.

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#73132 May 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Noam Chomsky speaks for the Jews like Glenn Beck speaks for the intelligent
Noam Chomsky speaks against the Jews. LOL.

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#73133 May 6, 2014
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Actually, most social scientists agree that gender is a social construction, and that the boundaries are more fluid that one might think...

Hughbe is a living example of this. I really doubt he even knows what he is.
There exist certain areas of overlap common to males and females in behavior but at the same time males usually have an unmistakeable stamp of masculinity while femininity is a female trait.

Both Hugh and you being passive homosexuals are more effeminate than masculine.

I still laugh when I remember that post in which Voluntarist said that he was surprised to learn that you were male since initially he thought he was interacting with a female.

Voluntarist was the one who called you a Nancy Boy.

Anyway, be happy and maintain regular oral/anal hygiene and limit your male lovers to 1 a week even if you happen to have a steady guy.

(winks)

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#73134 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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There exist certain areas of overlap common to males and females in behavior but at the same time males usually have an unmistakeable stamp of masculinity while femininity is a female trait.
Both Hugh and you being passive homosexuals are more effeminate than masculine.
I still laugh when I remember that post in which Voluntarist said that he was surprised to learn that you were male since initially he thought he was interacting with a female.
Voluntarist was the one who called you a Nancy Boy.
Anyway, be happy and maintain regular oral/anal hygiene and limit your male lovers to 1 a week even if you happen to have a steady guy.
(winks)
totally wrong

Masculinity/femininity is a total social construction. Didnt they make you take any Anthropology in that hovel of a school of yours?

So you are introducing Voluntarist as a litmus of intelligent thought? That made me chuckle.
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#73135 May 6, 2014
"I suppose I’m just tired of all the hoo-hah over something this ridiculous. I honestly couldn’t care less if somebody is gay, or ‘straight’ for that matter, just as I couldn’t care less about somebody’s anti-LGBT views. People seem to want you to be uptight one way or another about it, and I am content to simply respect somebody’s differences without a lot of fuss as long as there’s no harm done.”

Ret. Col Barry Johnson on whether a retired veteran should be allowed to be buried next to her wife in a veteran's cemetery in Idaho.

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#73136 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Noam Chomsky speaks against the Jews. LOL.
You take him far too seriously. Chomsky speaks against EVERYONE.

".......Chomsky's political views have changed little since his childhood.[144] His ideological position revolves around "nourishing the libertarian and creative character of the human being",[144] and he has described his beliefs as "fairly traditional anarchist ones, with origins in the Enlightenment and classical liberalism."[145] He has praised libertarian socialism,[146] and has described himself as an anarcho-syndicalist.[147.... " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Pol...
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#73137 May 6, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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No, one does not.
It's interesting how often the "morals are objective" types (don't know if you are or not) suddenly start saying we need to judge the founding fathers in the context of their times.
Bzzzt...wrong.
Murder, rape, kidnapping, and forced labor are all wrong, regardless of the times.
So were these good men who were flawed?

Or were they bad men, period?
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#73138 May 6, 2014
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Like me, Former is an atheist. I doubt he believes in an objective moralty, but I'll let him speak for himself.
BTW - welcome to the thread. I should warn you, Hugh should only be taken in small doses (unless you're into masochism). The stupid oozes from his pores.
Guess I forgot to respond to that part.

Don't even know what it means. Objective morality almost sounds like an oxymoron.

If anything is subjective, I would think the discussion of good/bad right/wrong good vs evil would be.

Ethics are little more straight forward, esp in the context of a profession. Real Estate, Legal practice, medicine etc. But still a lot of judgment calls there. IMHO.

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#73139 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
Guess I forgot to respond to that part.
Don't even know what it means. Objective morality almost sounds like an oxymoron.
If anything is subjective, I would think the discussion of good/bad right/wrong good vs evil would be.
Ethics are little more straight forward, esp in the context of a profession. Real Estate, Legal practice, medicine etc. But still a lot of judgment calls there. IMHO.
Objective Morality
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Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true. Proponents of this theory would argue that a statement like "Murder is wrong" can be as objectively true as "1 + 1 = 2." Most of the time, the alleged source is God, or the Kantian Categorical Imperative; arguably, no objective source of morality has ever been confirmed, nor have any a priori proofs been offered to the effect that morality is anything other than subjective. Kant ultimately fails, because he is perceptibly committed to Christian morality, which guides his arguments.

The moral principles that people claim to be "objective" usually coincide very well with what they feel subjectively to be true. When pressed to provide justification, the person in question will usually just fail to understand that morality might not be objective, and might consequently grow increasingly doubtful or hysterical as the subjective bases of their arguments are progressively revealed, as has been observed in recent times.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Objective_morali...

Moral Relativism
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Moral relativism may be any of several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different people and cultures. Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

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#73142 May 6, 2014
Hello there. ha ha ha
Eric

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#73143 May 6, 2014
The fake yogi is back
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#73144 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Objective Morality
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Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true. Proponents of this theory would argue that a statement like "Murder is wrong" can be as objectively true as "1 + 1 = 2." Most of the time, the alleged source is God, or the Kantian Categorical Imperative; arguably, no objective source of morality has ever been confirmed, nor have any a priori proofs been offered to the effect that morality is anything other than subjective. Kant ultimately fails, because he is perceptibly committed to Christian morality, which guides his arguments.
The moral principles that people claim to be "objective" usually coincide very well with what they feel subjectively to be true. When pressed to provide justification, the person in question will usually just fail to understand that morality might not be objective, and might consequently grow increasingly doubtful or hysterical as the subjective bases of their arguments are progressively revealed, as has been observed in recent times.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Objective_morali...
Moral Relativism
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Moral relativism may be any of several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different people and cultures. Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
I prefer the 2nd one. If I ran into a young art student named Adolf in Austria circa 1910, I'd want to be free to eliminate him.

I'd prefer that flexibility (and room for judgment) to some old book (or old man up in the sky) dictating its version of right from wrong.

Simple minded people (like Huggy) need someone else to think for them. They can always point to the book to explain why they hate gays etc....No personal responsibility or thinking necessary.

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#73145 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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I prefer the 2nd one. If I ran into a young art student named Adolf in Austria circa 1910, I'd want to be free to eliminate him.
I'd prefer that flexibility (and room for judgment) to some old book (or old man up in the sky) dictating its version of right from wrong.
Simple minded people (like Huggy) need someone else to think for them. They can always point to the book to explain why they hate gays etc....No personal responsibility or thinking necessary.
Sounds like I was right. You're not a believer of objective morality. I concur.

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