Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72558 Apr 29, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>And, where will the displaced people in the coal industry work?
Maybe they can help put the mountain tops back together.

I have nothing against shutting down Big Coal. But one has to be honest about the alternatives. In my home state, which has no shale and therefore no potential for fracking or any other type of natural gas extraction, there is a bill in the legislature at the moment to ban transport of fracking waste over our state lines. Apparently there is so much liquid waste generated, of undisclosed composition, that the producers are dumping it in the neighboring states...
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72559 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe they can help put the mountain tops back together.
I have nothing against shutting down Big Coal. But one has to be honest about the alternatives. In my home state, which has no shale and therefore no potential for fracking or any other type of natural gas extraction, there is a bill in the legislature at the moment to ban transport of fracking waste over our state lines. Apparently there is so much liquid waste generated, of undisclosed composition, that the producers are dumping it in the neighboring states...
In IL much of electric generation comes from coal, and there are coal mines (both active and inactive) throughout the state. State is dedicating substantial funds to study ways to clean up the industry rather than shutting it down.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72560 Apr 29, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>In IL much of electric generation comes from coal, and there are coal mines (both active and inactive) throughout the state. State is dedicating substantial funds to study ways to clean up the industry rather than shutting it down.
CT is mainly nuclear, with some coal generated power. Natural gas is popular for residential heating uses (along with oil which is being slowly phased out). At some point the power generation will switch over to natural gas as well. But we are dependent on the outside region for everything other than nuclear.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72561 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe they can help put the mountain tops back together.
I have nothing against shutting down Big Coal. But one has to be honest about the alternatives. In my home state, which has no shale and therefore no potential for fracking or any other type of natural gas extraction, there is a bill in the legislature at the moment to ban transport of fracking waste over our state lines. Apparently there is so much liquid waste generated, of undisclosed composition, that the producers are dumping it in the neighboring states...
We should be glad there's no fracking here. It's a complete mess. The groundwater, the flames coming out of faucet, the showers that burn your skin, rashes and all the trucks. People in PA have it pretty bad in certain areas.

And god help them if they contaminate that water that comes from the Catskills and provides most of the drinking water for New York City.

Even some "greenies" are starting to reconsider nuclear power. It's the only good answer to climate change right now that I can see...though Japan is going another way now. And maybe France too? And Germany I think.

Is there such a thing as "clean coal" or is that BS? An oxymoron.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72562 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
CT is mainly nuclear, with some coal generated power. Natural gas is popular for residential heating uses (along with oil which is being slowly phased out). At some point the power generation will switch over to natural gas as well. But we are dependent on the outside region for everything other than nuclear.
I just called Yankee Gas Co this morning.

Still no plans for gas lines in my neighborhood.

Though they have it in our town.

I know the Gov is pushing it in the state. Can't wait!
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72563 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
CT is mainly nuclear, with some coal generated power. Natural gas is popular for residential heating uses (along with oil which is being slowly phased out). At some point the power generation will switch over to natural gas as well. But we are dependent on the outside region for everything other than nuclear.
You see much of that in IL. When I was much younger we spent the morning at a nuclear power plant about 30 minutes away, and then spent the afternoon searching for fossils in the coal spoil piles that were within the shadows of the plant. Now nuclear is on the way out in IL. One plant on the shores of Lake Michigan has been mothballed. All of the over run power plants that are only used in summer for brown out protection are natural gas.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72564 Apr 29, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Is there such a thing as "clean coal" or is that BS? An oxymoron.
This is what IL is doing: www.crc.siu.edu
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72565 Apr 29, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>This is what IL is doing: www.crc.siu.edu
They're definitely working on it and I know there have been strides in carbon recapture, the Sierra Club and Greenpeace notwithstanding.

We can't reject everything, even nuclear.

Wind and solar and hamsters just aren't going to do it for us right now.

(And I wonder how much of that fracked gas and oil CT uses??)

I just spoke again to the Yankee Gas rep and she said my town is only 10% served by gas lines. So in other words, go ahead and buy another's year supply of oil, let's see 800 gallons X 3.69 or 3.89 don't know yet! oy!!!!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72566 Apr 29, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
They're definitely working on it and I know there have been strides in carbon recapture, the Sierra Club and Greenpeace notwithstanding.
We can't reject everything, even nuclear.
Wind and solar and hamsters just aren't going to do it for us right now.
(And I wonder how much of that fracked gas and oil CT uses??)
I just spoke again to the Yankee Gas rep and she said my town is only 10% served by gas lines. So in other words, go ahead and buy another's year supply of oil, let's see 800 gallons X 3.69 or 3.89 don't know yet! oy!!!!
hamsters?

Dont forget hydroelectric.

The natural gas CT uses is probably 100% fracked. The other states are trying to externalize the environmental costs - CT is saying no - not our problem.

Solar actually has more potential here than you would think. I wouldnt hold your breath on Malloys natural gas extension - he might not get reelected and I am not sure how institutionalized his initiaves are.

Since: Aug 11

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#72567 Apr 29, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
We should be glad there's no fracking here. It's a complete mess. The groundwater, the flames coming out of faucet, the showers that burn your skin, rashes and all the trucks. People in PA have it pretty bad in certain areas.
And god help them if they contaminate that water that comes from the Catskills and provides most of the drinking water for New York City.
Even some "greenies" are starting to reconsider nuclear power. It's the only good answer to climate change right now that I can see...though Japan is going another way now. And maybe France too? And Germany I think.
Is there such a thing as "clean coal" or is that BS? An oxymoron.
Thorium is the future of nuclear power. This is where more money and research should be going...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nu...
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72568 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
hamsters?
Dont forget hydroelectric.
The natural gas CT uses is probably 100% fracked. The other states are trying to externalize the environmental costs - CT is saying no - not our problem.
We just want the energy from it.

Send the waste to Jersey.
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Solar actually has more potential here than you would think. I wouldnt hold your breath on Malloys natural gas extension - he might not get reelected and I am not sure how institutionalized his initiaves are.
Not holding my breath or hanging by my thumbs.

Getting ready to cough up another $3 grand to stay warm next winter.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72569 Apr 29, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Thorium is the future of nuclear power. This is where more money and research should be going...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nu...
Interesting.

The benefits are many.

And something Harry Reid and Orin Hatch agree on.

Looks promising.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#72570 Apr 29, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Thorium is the future of nuclear power. This is where more money and research should be going...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nu...
Isnt that what they give to mental patients? Or is that thorazine?(where is Joel when we need him)

When I was in grad school we used to make fun of the nuclear studies students. Saw it as a dying profession. Now they are probably laughing at us.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72571 Apr 29, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Thorium is the future of nuclear power. This is where more money and research should be going...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nu...
Oh, don't start talking about Thorium. There are parts of Chicago and the suburbs that glow because of the disposal of thorium from the manufacture of glass mantles. That includes the Gold Coast http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-17...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72572 Apr 29, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
We just want the energy from it.
Send the waste to Jersey.
absolutely. Dan on NPR yesterday flatly said once a product has come to the market its not the moral responsibility of the buyers to voluntarily assume extra "costs" (i.e. provide for waste disposal). Its the responsibility of the seller via the free market pricing.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72573 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
absolutely. Dan on NPR yesterday flatly said once a product has come to the market its not the moral responsibility of the buyers to voluntarily assume extra "costs" (i.e. provide for waste disposal). Its the responsibility of the seller via the free market pricing.
Yes but in the macro sense, in general, many of we liberals want the energy, the air conditioning, etc - but no nukes, no carbon, no fracking......

Where do we think this energy will come from?

Not from wind or solar (or hamsters) for a decades likely.

It all has a cost.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#72574 Apr 29, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that both Apu and Hughbe disappeared at the same time?
Who is Apu? Is s/he also a Jamaican or located in Jamaica?

Do something new i.e. understand, there is ONE HughBe and he is and always shall be HughBe and no other.

Get it Mon?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#72575 Apr 29, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>If you did any research on the subject before opening your big mouth, you would know that Rev. Jesse Jackson was the impetus for the change from Blacks to African Americans. If you want to know his mind set on the topic, maybe you should ask him. He lives in Chicago. You can reach him at the Rainbow Push organization.
It is not up to me to question the reasoning of a sizable portion of our population. I find it sufficient that they have publicly stated their preference. I know that friends and acquaintances have bristled when they hear poor word choice (e.g., Colored? What color are you talking about?), and I respect them enough to use the words they choose.
Once again, does your Jesse speak for President Obama or a certain Tiger?

Please address my post and cut the BS.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#72577 Apr 29, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>I thought Joel said he was going to visit someone. As for the Black, Jamaican who has Jewish heritage [:)], I care not where he goes nor when he comes back.
The jet-black is back again and what a wonderful combination we get when we have black and white/you together.

White and white is never a good combination.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#72578 Apr 29, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, don't start talking about Thorium. There are parts of Chicago and the suburbs that glow because of the disposal of thorium from the manufacture of glass mantles. That includes the Gold Coast http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-17...
Interesting. Reminded me of the radioactive sidewalks in the Four Corners region of the SW.

Though it could be argued that a thorium reactor could be a repository to process this contaminated fill.

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