I think where you miss on all of this is that it was NEVER my intent to argue for the existence or non existence of God. We werent discussing that. The question came up, what do Jews believe. You took the liberty of posting some basic stuff. I retorted that the breadth of Jewish beliefs on the topic was much deeper than that, and included additional god concepts as thus promoted by panentheism, pantheism, and nondualism. THEN I posted 3 (and then 2 more) books that get into greater depth on the subject - if for no other reason - to give you a taste how these alternative concepts are more mainstream than you would think.<quoted text>
Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........" Seriously.
When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).
You can call anything anything you want.
You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.
you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!
Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
The more scholarly of these books argue that these concepts WERE included within the mainstream of Judaism, along with conventional theistic approaches, until the mid 1800s. Sometime during the period, Jews were under pressure to assimulate in the Western countries, and these alternative approaches became associated with mysticism and became too embarrassing (this was the same period that German Jews founded the reform movement and adopted Christian worship practices). In the last 30 years there has been a renaissance of Jewish learning, and these alternative traditions have made a come back.
The whole verbiage of "radical" was to snarkily demonstrate to the reader that there is nothing that radical - that these perspectives are actually as Jewish as the theistic approach.
I dont expect you to buy into these alternative approaches any more than one would expect you to buy into theism. I just posted them to show you they are out there, and more accepted than you would think.
We can split hairs, but there are many different God concepts in the Jewish religion, from the God in the sky of the literal reading of the bible to various panentheistic, pantheist, and non dualistic concepts popular in Hasidism and in the Kabbala.
The citations you are quoting dont get into the issue very deeply