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Apr 22, 2014
 
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Yes.
Walking on water is a yogic feat .......
Yes, thanks.

My Roman friend explained your thinking on this.

You don't believe in religion, but you believe in anything to do with yoga.

Selective idiocy, in my humble opinion.

And as always, with all due respect.

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You don't believe in religion, but you believe in anything to do with yoga.
You're as unintelligent as your Roman friend.

Listen, formal religion is a belief system, whereas yoga is a practice leading to direct experiences with manifest signs.
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Frijoles wrote:
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Its not so much that I believe in the teachings/philosophy (or God), but that I encounter the teachings/philosophies...Thats the relationship part I was referring to. Encounters tend to be open-ended with give and take on both side. Beliefs are fixed, encounters are not.
You've also encountered hate, racism, anti-Semitism, ignorance......and chosen not to embrace them. So perhaps (not to be anti-Semantic!) it's a semantics things. This is a philosophy you have in fact embraced and choose to stick with, follow......however you want to say.....true?
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I wasnt dissing the theatrics of JC, I was dissing the idea that Joel could steal them to use with his yogi framework (as Stefano explained - in Joels mind ONLY a yogi is precious enough to perform miracles). Thats spiritual imperialism.(Though it can be argued who am I to defend Christian culture). So I never opined who was more credible, instead I was knocking Joel for his theft...
Perhaps it was this line that threw me off the intended meaning:

"Old wives tales that unfortunately got codified."

And I followed with...."Same for Moses, Norah etc......?."

Was that a yes or a no, BTW?

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JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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By G-d is meant a typal being inhering in anyone of the cosmic planes.....
I understand.

Is Jesus the son of god? No

A hell of a yogi? Absolutely

Thank you, come again.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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In my opinion, he has its own religion.
While others have god, he has the Absolute Consciousness.
While others BELIEVE in the creation of men out-of-nothing, he BELIEVES in a spontanous, and therefore out-of-nothing, appearance of thousands of Adam and Eve around the globe. Both the religionists and Joel have not the minium idea of Biology.
In other words, different terms same old story.
And the funny thing is, he sees himself as so intelligent, so superior to others.

Yet he is just as much of a sheep. "The opiate of the masses."

He had me fooled for a bit.

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former res wrote:
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Is Jesus the son of god? No

A hell of a yogi? Absolutely
Didn't you understand my post?

By Son of G-d is not meant a son in the biological sense but it refers to an incarnation of a typal principle, understand now?

Jesus' paranormal feats were due to the mastery of the vital force but to master the vital force he had to reach up to the vital plane to unite in consciousness-force with it which is an act of the union of the subject with the object - yoga.

Got it, now?

BTW, were you born with a dunce cap?

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Ok - now that we have dispensed with the contextual issues (in my previous post)...
Of course there is a linkage between the Torah and my beliefs and practices. The way I approach it, probably similar to the way more than a few devout Christians approach their scripture - is that I assume that the text is trying to tell me something. What it is I dont always know. And often what is being told is through what is not being mentioned at the time (i.e. the intellectual gaps in the narrative).
So my job is to seek out what is of value. Sometimes the encounter leads to fertile ground, sometimes the encounter just leads to a respectful stand off, sometimes it is enough to just chant or read the text as a form of worship (as on Saturday in synagogue) and/or as a meditative exercise and leave it at that...
That approach is diametrically opposite to the idea of approaching the text with scientific skepticism and looking to the outside for evidence to prove or disprove. Nothing wrong with that approach either, but that is a scientific, rational approach, NOT a religious mode. And not to say that a scientific approach has nothing to offer, rather often such an approach can enhance the religious approach by offering another perspective - creating more depth.
So you hold these writings in higher esteem then you would "old wives tales, now codified?"

Fair to say?

As do most Christians and other believers I would think. That was my point.

But I appreciate the peek inside as to how you view them, think of them and gain meaning from them.

I think that literature (obviously some more than others) can also hold meaning for non-believers. Good fiction can also impart meaning and life lessons. And folks like me might say this what is going on but you simply look at it differently.

Does that sound reasonable?

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former res wrote:
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You've also encountered hate, racism, anti-Semitism, ignorance......and chosen not to embrace them. So perhaps (not to be anti-Semantic!) it's a semantics things. This is a philosophy you have in fact embraced and choose to stick with, follow......however you want to say.....true?
generally speaking, in matters of philosophy and ethics, I dont need others to tell me how to live, rather, I notice from the other what resonates with what I already intuit...And often the "other" does a better job articulating or expressing what I already believe or feel.
former res wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps it was this line that threw me off the intended meaning:
"Old wives tales that unfortunately got codified."
And I followed with...."Same for Moses, Norah etc......?."
Was that a yes or a no, BTW?
:)
Guilty - but intended as a slapdown to Apu, more then any statement of creed.
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JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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It's Ok.
"I wish I knew how to quit you."

Brokeback Mountain (2005)

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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LOL.
But, I reverted to my true yogic nature after that brief stint with atheism which I hooked on to due to the unbearable force attacks as said in my earlier post...
And tomorrow you may revert to....

Your entire Topix career is a testament to manic-depression and schizophrenia

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former res wrote:
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And the funny thing is, he sees himself as so intelligent, so superior to others.
Yet he is just as much of a sheep. "The opiate of the masses."
He had me fooled for a bit.
Did he really have you fooled about anything? I assumed you were merely being polite in order to hear him out...

I have never met a serious devotee of Bhuddism that has such a mean, heartless, and selfish streak. Its basically impossible to follow that path for REAL and still be a meanie.

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I am delighted that Sri Aurobindo brought to light in the past century the mind-boggling SUPRAMENTAL YOGA which is the most exacting of all the existing yogas and whose results are way superior to those of the other yogas. The Supramental Yoga is the rarest of rare Mind-Matter disciplines of direct realization that is aimed at the mystico-intellectual elite.

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DIVISION OF THE FORCE IN THE BODY

The direct experiences in the supramental yoga reveal that in every human being the field of the energy of consciousness that permeates the body and which is connected by force lines to the cosmic planes divides itself into 2 currents - one stationed at the top of the head and the other at the base of the spinal nerves forming an invisible arc that runs through the force centers in the spinal cord from head to base of spine.

These apical and basal force currents are dormant or very feebly active in the ordinary human being but which are activated in varying degrees in the yogis depending on which of the 2 currents gets activated.

The ideal yoga is one in which both the upper current and the lower current get simultaneously activated or get activated in quick succession and in the process as the activated current above the head descends into the nervous system, the activated current locked in at the base of the spine begin ascending the spinal nerves and at one point both the descending current and ascending current meet and the result is harmony in the being with the body's force field opening up to the cosmic planes via the activated force centers in the body.

If just one of the 2 currents gets activated then the yoga is partial.

It's safer if the descent begins prior to the ascent.

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PSYCHIC AWAKENING PRIOR TO DESCENT/ASCENT OF THE FORCE

Prior to the descent of the upper current from its station above the head into the brain and spinal nerves and/or before the ascent of the lower current from its station at the base of the spinal cord upwards into the spinal nerves, the psychic consciousness, that dwells in the consciousness-force field corresponding to the cardiac center in the center of the spine, should get activated and take full charge of the ongoing yogic force movements. With the superlative organizing power of the awakened psychic in the forefront it is now safe for the descent and the ascent to take place.

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Salutations to Sri Aurobindo and the Mother.

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And tomorrow you may revert to....
Your entire Topix career is a testament to manic-depression and schizophrenia
LOL.
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former res wrote:
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I asked what it takes to call oneself Jewish and then summarized your responses.
And clearly Eric thought you had things well in hand here so declined to respond. So far anyway.
But your response is actually reasonable to me. After thinking about it. So I shouldn't have been so flip.
At first it sounded all Lucy-goosey but then I remembered a conversation I had once with a Christian.
I asked (as you see I do) about his beliefs. He replied that he didn't need to believe IN god or JC, only the teachings OF god or more specifically, Jesus:
1Chris·tian noun \&#712;kris-ch&#601;n, &#712;krish-\
: a person who believes in the teachings of Jesus Christ
So perhaps same for Jews. You only have to believe in the overall philosophy.
But I think what started all this was your comment about the theatrics of JC. Which still is no more magical than Moses or Noah etc.. so, same, same...still applies. Apu's fairy tales vs your own. who's to say which is sillier or more credible or whatever?
I didn't respond because it's a tough question. Still contemplating
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Eric wrote:
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I hear ya.

Raised Catholic and still not sure what makes a real Catholic.

Like any of the clubs, they pick and choose which rules to follow.

I still say, follow the Golden Rule and you can't go too far wrong.

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former res wrote:
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I hear ya.
Raised Catholic and still not sure what makes a real Catholic.
Like any of the clubs, they pick and choose which rules to follow.
I still say, follow the Golden Rule and you can't go too far wrong.
Its more than that though. Often we are born into these groups, and have no say about that.("every sperm is sacred........", remember Monty Python?)

So even with Catholicism, there is an ethnic component that results in a certain demographic culture - the question is what does that demographic share culturally? Or in your question - the flip of that - what are the boundaries of that culture?

You can also ask the question I suppose from the more rigid perspective of canon as well. I just thought the cultural demographic perspective was more widely meaningful..

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Eric wrote:
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It gets tougher when you consider groups like the Humanist Jews. I opined previously that unlike the Messianics, I consider the Humanists Jewish, if only by ancestry. But I suppose one could use that argument narrowly against any denomination below your level of observance (i.e. how an Orthodox views a Conservative views a Reform etc etc..). An viewpoint I don't particularly embrace. So where are the boundaries?

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