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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71516 Apr 13, 2014
The recent spate of yogic experiences have made my nervous system so very super-sensitive that my body can't handle the assortment of inferior vibes invading my body from most inanimate objects as well as from a majority of animate entities.Surprisingly, I can even perceive the vibes of someone's body imprint on furniture. clothes and other stuff that the person may have touched. I can't bear the touch of another person as the nerves in my hand begin trembling and after some time become painful and the sensations reach the heart center where they affect my respiration when I shake hands with most people. Everything has taken on a new reality of forces at work behind the appearances of the physical forms. My body has become a highly conducting EM device that's fully open to the play of the forces in and around me with induction electrical effects troubling me. I am suffering to an extent.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71517 Apr 13, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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How do you explain it?
Buddha preached only pure universal compassion/pure universal love for all creatures.

The Japanese soldiers had their unregenerate egos and baser passion at the forefront when they indulged in those barbaric/inhuman acts.

Adam 36

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#71518 Apr 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Buddha preached only pure universal compassion/pure universal love for all creatures.
The Japanese soldiers had their unregenerate egos and baser passion at the forefront when they indulged in those barbaric/inhuman acts.
That's false, it was the entire Japanese nation behind their efforts. How could they all have supported such acts if they were Buddhists?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#71519 Apr 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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How's you husband?
Remember that at age 4 I was fully aroused when my maid was massaging me and a few days ago I got a hard-on looking at the Israeli supermodel's Bar Rafaeli's exposed breasts.
So, if I ever decide to shake off my virginal status in future, I'll face no problem with man-woman sex and besides my inexperience won't be a barrier for long since I'm a quick learner.
Bye, have to go.
Take care.
Its not over until its over. As far as I am concerned, you are unproven goods

and then there is that "minor" issue of performance anxiety....

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#71520 Apr 13, 2014
former res wrote:
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I think we're going to let this issue go. Clearly it's a hot button issue with you and as such you are not able to maintain objectivity, perhaps understandably.
Though we've established that 95% of Americans still doing it to their kids are non-Jews so as mentioned, to take the backlash as an affront against your own traditions seems a bit specious and unfounded.
Clearly the backlash is against the procedure, not 5% of the people doing it.
And think about it - if the backlash came out of anti-Semitism, why so recent? Anti-Semitism (like racism) has been with us for a very long time.
Did the gentiles just recently find a new way to attack the Jews?! Get serious my friend..
And BTW, I ONLY buy Hebrew Nat'l Hotdogs/Knockwurst etc - it tastes the best! And I don't mind paying for a little extra.
I think you are mireading me. i already opined that in America, I think the intent against it is somewhat pure. I just disagree with their logic, thats all. And I think it is unrealistic, considering the role it plays in religious expression.(BTW I would trust a mohel over a Dr anyday to perform the act - I dont think Drs have nearly as much experience)

Europe - thats a different story. There it is a thinly disguised cover for anti-semitism - part of a greater movement against Jews and mainly muslims, which includes ban on slaughtering, and religious expression such as clothing and symbols.

Often Kosher meat is overly salty (part of the process)- not good for you, btw. I dont like kosher dogs mainly because of the nitrates. But I'll eat one anyday over a nonKosher dog.

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#71521 Apr 13, 2014
former res wrote:
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But didn't god make gay people?
Why would he create them and then expect them to not behave according to their nature?
rabbee: no! G-D did not, create people to be gay. i do not know how, you can deduce that from be fruitful and multiply. being gay is from marketing of halooseefer, from the subtle beasts of the fields and is not from G-D. you need to be careful about, it's only natural for the animals stuff. i mean the worship of halooseefer, is as bad as you can get. so the more you approve of this, the worse it is going to get. the more you approve of any sin, the worse the sin is going to get.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#71522 Apr 13, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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That's false, it was the entire Japanese nation behind their efforts. How could they all have supported such acts if they were Buddhists?
don;t underestimate the level of Shintoism - though I agree there were a lot of Bhuddists as well.

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#71523 Apr 13, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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No, there is no need to test you and your missing woman. Just you.
If you don't want to prove to the world you have not an earthly father then don't pretend the world has to listen you.
rabbee: if there is no need, to test both me and the woman. then their is no need to test me, because we are both the Product of The Same FATHER And MOTHER according to scripture. and it is the only way, you are going to get 100% markers. and it is not my assignment to prove anything, it is Only my Assignment to give the message.

as i do not think you fully understand, in shall do as commanded by G-D. not what is commanded by you self appointed, as my alleged supreme commander. does not make any difference what you say, i shall do precisely as commanded. if you have a problem with that, you need to convince G-D not me. and for some reason, i do not believe G-D is even going to consider requests from THEIR enemies. and all you liars in this world, can continue with your not here in This Story from G-D lying. but this Story happens, exactly the way G-D said in spite of all your disbelief.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#71524 Apr 13, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text> don;t underestimate the level of Shintoism - though I agree there were a lot of Bhuddists as well.
Agreed, but they are both

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#71525 Apr 13, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: no! G-D did not, create people to be gay..
but he did...

so now what?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71526 Apr 13, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Yep, you do live in the boonies..lol. Farmers markets are a seasonal activity, though the season is longer than one would think. TJs just opened in town in the old Borders, before that we had to go all the way to Darien (life is so tough sometimes..)
Whole Foods is usually a ripoff as well, but they have some good stuff if you shop carefully. Would never shop there routinely.
Fairway, new to town, is amazing too, but again, you have to watch your purchases carefully. Produce is usually poor but if you want a selection of 6000 types of honey, or just about any other type of staple, its an experience....
One thing Sford has is no lack of choice for groceries!
Growing up there were 3 or 4 food stores down in the village part of OG - now just one - King's (former Porecelli's/Food Mart). And it's expensive.

The A&P off exit 5 is the place to go when in town,

When we lived in Phila (late 90s) a new food store opened fairly close to us - Fresh Fields - which is the Whole Foods company. cool place to shop and visit but agree - definitely not for everyday.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71527 Apr 13, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I think you are mireading me. i already opined that in America, I think the intent against it is somewhat pure. I just disagree with their logic, thats all. And I think it is unrealistic, considering the role it plays in religious expression.(BTW I would trust a mohel over a Dr anyday to perform the act - I dont think Drs have nearly as much experience)
This paragraph to me seems full of confusion, all due respect.

1. "....somewhat pure....?" Not sure how you mean this.

2. "...logic...." What does logic have to do with not wanting to cut a piece of your baby's ding dong off?? for no good reason (assuming proper hygiene is taught and practiced).

3. Why keep bringing religion into it? I think it's pretty clear by now we're talking about the 95% of cutters who are non-Jews. And therefore were never doing it for religious reasons.

The AAP was pretty clear. They don't recommend it but leave it up to the parents. So I don't hear them condemning anyone who wants to keep doing it (for whatever reason).

(And I eat hotdogs - speaking of ding dongs - about as often as I eat its nontubular cousin, bologna (beef only), which is to say not very..)

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#71528 Apr 13, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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That's false, it was the entire Japanese nation behind their efforts. How could they all have supported such acts if they were Buddhists?
Can show me a single violent, abusive, racist, tribal or murderous statement in the teachings of the Buddha?

Obviously, you can't and so the Buddha can't be blamed for the vile acts of the Japs.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#71529 Apr 13, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Its not over until its over. As far as I am concerned, you are unproven goods

and then there is that "minor" issue of performance anxiety....
ha ha ha.

Take care.

All the very best to you in life.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#71530 Apr 13, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
This paragraph to me seems full of confusion, all due respect.
1. "....somewhat pure....?" Not sure how you mean this.
2. "...logic...." What does logic have to do with not wanting to cut a piece of your baby's ding dong off?? for no good reason (assuming proper hygiene is taught and practiced).
3. Why keep bringing religion into it? I think it's pretty clear by now we're talking about the 95% of cutters who are non-Jews. And therefore were never doing it for religious reasons.
The AAP was pretty clear. They don't recommend it but leave it up to the parents. So I don't hear them condemning anyone who wants to keep doing it (for whatever reason).
(And I eat hotdogs - speaking of ding dongs - about as often as I eat its nontubular cousin, bologna (beef only), which is to say not very..)
1&3: I see no evidence that in the US any of the nativists are anti-semitic. However, I find their position extremely insensitive to Jews - The circumcision ceremony is at the heart of the religion, and I find it hard to believe that at least some of these people dont know this. As a result, their efforts towards banning it IS a concern to Jews (hence why it always comes back to religion) as Jews get swept up in the implications (in the same way Jews are swept up in teh Eurpoean backlash against Muslims).

2: I disagree that circumcision is mutilation.(as if it is similar to female genital mutilation) And I find it hypocritical that they are focused on this and not also on ear piercing of infants.So I disagree with the foundation of their argument, as well as its application. Can't reasonable people disagree?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mut...

Mutilation: mu·ti·late transitive verb \&#712;myü-t&#601;- &#716;l&#257;t\
: to cause severe damage to (the body of a person or animal)

: to ruin the beauty of (something): to severely damage or spoil (something)

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#71531 Apr 13, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Can show me a single violent, abusive, racist, tribal or murderous statement in the teachings of the Buddha?
Obviously, you can't and so the Buddha can't be blamed for the vile acts of the Japs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_vio...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#71534 Apr 13, 2014
ADAM,

Those are not the teachings of the Buddha as posted in the link.

I have not denied the fact that Buddhists may be violent depending on the degree of their personality flaws.

I have asked you to show me where in the Buddha's teaching are words of violence, bigotry, war, murder, slavery, racism, tribalism, genital mutilation, human sacrifices, animal offerings, stoning to death, bashing babies to death, cannibalism, rape and other evil teachings.

Can you show me even one instance of evil as mentioned in the long list above in any of the teachings of the great Buddha who was the human personification of universal love, universal forgiveness and universal compassion?

You'll have to quote from the Buddha's teachings contained in the Dhammapada or from the Tripitakas.

I can assure you that you will not find a single teaching of the Buddha that is evil.

Since: May 12

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#71535 Apr 13, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: if there is no need, to test both me and the woman. then their is no need to test me, because we are both the Product of The Same FATHER And MOTHER according to scripture. and it is the only way, you are going to get 100% markers. and it is not my assignment to prove anything, it is Only my Assignment to give the message.
as i do not think you fully understand, in shall do as commanded by G-D. not what is commanded by you self appointed, as my alleged supreme commander. does not make any difference what you say, i shall do precisely as commanded. if you have a problem with that, you need to convince G-D not me. and for some reason, i do not believe G-D is even going to consider requests from THEIR enemies. and all you liars in this world, can continue with your not here in This Story from G-D lying. but this Story happens, exactly the way G-D said in spite of all your disbelief.
God never said you don't have to be tested, right?

So go make a DNA test and prove you are not a liar, unless you are trying to avoid it because it can prove you are.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71536 Apr 13, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
1&3: I see no evidence that in the US any of the nativists are anti-semitic. However, I find their position extremely insensitive to Jews - The circumcision ceremony is at the heart of the religion, and I find it hard to believe that at least some of these people dont know this. As a result, their efforts towards banning it IS a concern to Jews (hence why it always comes back to religion) as Jews get swept up in the implications (in the same way Jews are swept up in teh Eurpoean backlash against Muslims).
2: I disagree that circumcision is mutilation.(as if it is similar to female genital mutilation) And I find it hypocritical that they are focused on this and not also on ear piercing of infants.So I disagree with the foundation of their argument, as well as its application. Can't reasonable people disagree?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mut...
Mutilation: mu·ti·late transitive verb \&#712;myü-t&#601;- &#716;l&#257;t\
: to cause severe damage to (the body of a person or animal)
: to ruin the beauty of (something): to severely damage or spoil (something)
Again I think your argument doesn't seem to flow from our discussion but from some other things you may have heard or read on the subject. Which could explain the confusing nature of it (at least to me).

I've never heard of anyone wanting to ban the practice. But I don't claim to be an expert or even knowledgeable about it. For me it's already bygones and I have no offspring.

Parents have a lot worse ways of fxcking up their kids and I'm not a crusader on this or any other issue.

It's you who wants to compare the practice to female clit cutting and ear piercing. I don't see the point either way. It is what it is.

And I don't see it as an argument. I see it as a point of view. Non-religious folks who are against doing it. Nothing wrong with that. As you say, can't we disagree and get along?

If someone wants to call it a mutilation I think that's a fair statement. I regret it was done to me and had I kids, I wouldn't do it to them. Did it ruin my life? No. But did it expose a sensitive area meant to be covered and protected? Clearly yes.

Worse than ear piercing? Absolutely. As bad as female circ? No.(Your comparisons, not mine.)

Now, I wonder, do you respect the Christian snake handlers the same way you want folks to respect the religious practice of circumcision? How about any other odd religious practices not your own?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#71537 Apr 13, 2014
JOEL wrote:
ADAM,
Those are not the teachings of the Buddha as posted in the link.
I have not denied the fact that Buddhists may be violent depending on the degree of their personality flaws.
I have asked you to show me where in the Buddha's teaching are words of violence, bigotry, war, murder, slavery, racism, tribalism, genital mutilation, human sacrifices, animal offerings, stoning to death, bashing babies to death, cannibalism, rape and other evil teachings.
Can you show me even one instance of evil as mentioned in the long list above in any of the teachings of the great Buddha who was the human personification of universal love, universal forgiveness and universal compassion?
You'll have to quote from the Buddha's teachings contained in the Dhammapada or from the Tripitakas.
I can assure you that you will not find a single teaching of the Buddha that is evil.
No, they are interpretations of the teachings of Bhudda.

Who are you to tell anyone what the "pure" teachings of Bhudda are?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman...
Religious apologists will repeatedly try to use the No True Scotsman argument to distance themselves from more extreme or fundamentalist groups, but this does not prevent such extremists actually being religious - they themselves would certainly argue otherwise.

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