Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#70624 Apr 1, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Yes but those with peanut allergies don't run around telling everyone how bad peanuts are and how unrealistic peanut eating is. And ask them to prove that peanuts taste great.
And lobby government to ban peanut eating on public property.
I thought you were a sort of a libertarian? You don't believe in separation of church and state?

You may have had a bad experience with atheists. You'll find believers do a lot more preaching than nonbelievers.

This bad experience may make you turn away from atheism.

I don't bring it up much as the believers may take a torch to my house.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70625 Apr 1, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Thats not how it is interpreted in my tradition.

Sorry, you are wrong again.

:)
So, an ant is HaShem, a lump of shit is HaShem, a worm is HaShem, a whore is HaShem, a criminal is HaShem and in general the entire cosmos is the HaShem in manifestation and a sage can say, "I am HaShem" after uniting in consciousness-force with HaShem.

So, observant Jews should worship who has united in consciousness with HaShem.

I wonder if Moses, Abraham or Elijah, on uniting with HaShem in consciousness-force, ever said: " I am HaShem, worship me."

LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70626 Apr 1, 2014
NON-DUALISM is NOT a part of JUDAISM.

Living in G-d is a form of dualism but it certainly is not nondualism in which every barrier between the subject and the object is broken down after the grand union in consciousness of the object with the subject.

Dualism leads to the illogics of a creator G-d, creation from nothing, fanaticism and tribalism.

LMAO.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70627 Apr 1, 2014
ZEN is wrong to postulate the shunya or the state of nothing as a realization. The thoughtless state of consciousness is not shunya/void/nothing. LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70628 Apr 1, 2014
NIRVANA is not shunya or nothing. Nirvana is simply a stepping back via trance into a subliminal state of consciousness that's devoid of the upheavals of the surface consciousness.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70629 Apr 1, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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I do not know if I am afraid of death what I do know is that I do not want to die now.
Alright. Enjoy life in a sensible manner and take things as and when they arrive.

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#70630 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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I think that to be intellectually honest, we should all start with the null hypothesis (atheism) and then make the decision from there.
This is where ATF's argument falls apart.
He thinks one needs a reason to stop believing rather than a reason to start.
Seems counterintuitive to me.
I don't see how atheism could be considered a null hypothesis.

Atheism, in gross lines is defined as the denying of the existence of gods. It per se is a position.

Atheism denies whereas Theism affirms the existence of god. I don't see them as a starting point. Both rappresent a conclusion.

Agnosticism is already a conclusion rather than a starting point, so I discard that as well.

One person should be extraneous to any position and through rationalization/investigation arrive to the conclusion.

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#70631 Apr 1, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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I don't see how atheism could be considered a null hypothesis.
Atheism, in gross lines is defined as the denying of the existence of gods. It per se is a position.
Atheism denies whereas Theism affirms the existence of god. I don't see them as a starting point. Both rappresent a conclusion.
Agnosticism is already a conclusion rather than a starting point, so I discard that as well.
One person should be extraneous to any position and through rationalization/investigation arrive to the conclusion.
Definitions and labels get messy because their use has changed over time, and so not everyone is on the same page with them.

From a pragmatic standpoint, what we refer to as agnostic atheists is essentially what you describe in your last sentence - "One person should be extraneous to any position and through rationalization/investigation arrive to the conclusion."

In essence, agnostic atheists don't deny the existence of deities, but rather, withhold belief until such time as credible evidence is provided to them. In this pragmatic approach, the default, then, is non-belief. I believe this is what Former was referring to when he said null-hypothesis.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70632 Apr 1, 2014
THOUGHTLESS STATE

The THOUGHTLESS STATE is quite difficult to attain to and can only become a possibility through yogic discipline.

Try stilling your thoughts for a minute or attempt to take the stand of the witness consciousness who simply watches his thoughts taking shape in his external consciousness and you'll know how difficult it is to remain thoughtless.

What is meant by the THOUGHTLESS STATE?

By it is not meant a state of consciousness devoid of thoughts.

It simply means to dissociate the subliminal consciousness from the surface consciousness where thoughts arise.

If this separation in consciousness can be executed through yogic discipline then the witness consciousness simply watches the thoughts forming in his surface consciousness but is detached from the thought mechanism or from the thoughts themselves.

The witness consciousness just watches and after a time turns on itself to partake of its deep silence, incisive awareness and profound peace.

With practice, thoughts that are always of a mechanical nature that arise in the surface consciousness can be so fully ignored that one is unaware of the thoughts that become as a result become more subconscious in nature.

In this way, fresh thoughts do not arise in the surface consciousness and only subconscious impressions keep rising into the surface consciousness where they're ignored by the backdrop witness consciousness.

If the subconscious gets penetrated by a superior range of consciousness-force, like the supramental, then all thoughts cease and the division between the surface and subliminal gets obliterated and only pure gnostic awareness prevails.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70633 Apr 1, 2014
DEITIES

Agnostics/atheists will forever keep waiting for credible evidence to support the existence of deities since they constantly dwell in the most ordinary and often in the most vulgar states of consciousness.

Are they of the view that a deity is a physical being? LOL.

Whereas to come into direct contact with the deities that're subtler formations of consciousness-force in comparison to the gross formations of matter, one has to rise high enough in consciousness to get a glimpse of them or to merge with them in consciousness-force, or, on the other hand, if the ordinary consciousness is sufficiently pure and calm enough then these formations of the higher ranges of the cosmic consciounsess-force called deities at times get attracted to the individual and manifest as tangible force formations in the person's ordinary consciousness giving him ample evidence of their existence, reach and powers.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70634 Apr 1, 2014
Only like can investigate, perceive and comprehend like.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70635 Apr 1, 2014
Something that is inferior can never hope in its wildest dreams to investigate, perceive or to comprehend something that is far superior and far removed from the ordinary spatio-temporal dimensions.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70636 Apr 1, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Yes but those with peanut allergies don't run around telling everyone how bad peanuts are and how unrealistic peanut eating is. And ask them to prove that peanuts taste great.
And lobby government to ban peanut eating on public property.
where have you been?

There was case in Milford last year where some lady wanted the city to let her chop down all the trees on her property because they were "nut producers". It ended up in court.

And schools are now MILITANT about preventing PBJs on campus.

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70637 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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The 'good deed' were my words, not hers - just an expression.
She's a Harvard grad and I'm sure had all the appropriate counseling and guidance. Sure she knew what she was doing. We never discussed exactly why she did it. So no insight there. But just know she's a smart chick. And happily married now with kids.
The guy was a dxck anyway. Bygones.
But is she still Jewish?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70638 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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What you call prayer I might call meditation.
What do you see as the difference if any?
mindfullness is a meditation practice

contemplation is a form of prayer that is also considered by many as meditation

Prayer itself isnt just in the form of petition. Its also can be in the forms of acknowledgement, and praise. At least that's how its approached in Judaism.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70639 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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If I didn't know better I'd say you were missing the point on purpose.
In my example, their words (and resume) were petty much all you had to go on.
You interview 3 potential nanny's but only one sees a pink elephant (that you don't see).
She might still get the job if she ACTS normal? Seriously. Nice try.
If she is telling me she sees a pink elephant, then she is NOT acting normally. So I would ding her on basis of her behavior. If she told me that God talks to her and tells her what to to do, I would not hire her (I might think that personally that this is an interesting lifestyle, but not for my kids). If she said she sees God in everything she does, then I might hire her (but keep an eye on her). That's relatively normal.

I am not sure where you are coming from. But its also a question of what type of values one wants to expose to their children. I dont value the pink elephant religion. I might value other forms of religion though. I have nothing against Christianity, or Christian nannys, provided it is kept within acceptable bounds.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70640 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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So, an ant is HaShem, a lump of shit is HaShem, a worm is HaShem, a whore is HaShem, a criminal is HaShem and in general the entire cosmos is the HaShem in manifestation and a sage can say, "I am HaShem" after uniting in consciousness-force with HaShem.
So, observant Jews should worship who has united in consciousness with HaShem.
I wonder if Moses, Abraham or Elijah, on uniting with HaShem in consciousness-force, ever said: " I am HaShem, worship me."
LOL.
Whatever.

Google devekut sometime.

Your lack of familiarity with forms of Judaism is not surprising to any of us here. For all the time you waste with pathetic attempts of satire, you could actually be researching where you have gone wrong.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70641 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
NON-DUALISM is NOT a part of JUDAISM.
LMAO.
You sound like Hughbe now, telling us what Jews are, and believe in.

Besides from arrogant, you are obviously wrong.

Google Hasidism and devekut, for a start.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70642 Apr 1, 2014
The pentuple stages of the psychic process:

1) Contemplation,

2) Concentration,

3) Meditation using the mantra on an appropriate spot of the central nervous system or on a spot above the head where the superior gradations of the consciousness-force are stationed,

4) Trance and

5) Stasis.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70643 Apr 1, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
CORRECTION:
Bottom line: There are many ways to arrive to be atheist.
Disagree. Simply an absence of belief.

More like many ways to become a believer.

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