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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#70505 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Nah, I was bar mitzvahed in an age before things got flashy, in a town that was modestly middle class.
I heard those things can cost just as much as a wedding these days.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70506 Mar 31, 2014
There's a slight respite from the yogic experience since an hour or so with the higher consciounsess-force retreating from the body to an extent. Need to rest.

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#70507 Mar 31, 2014
FRIJOLES: "Bhuddism, the non folk version, doesnt claim to be a religion. Its a practice. But the fact is there are assumptions about the nature of reality as well, so it does converge at least a little in that direction, despite all claims not to."

JOEL: ERROR. Rubbish. Couldn't help responding to this ignorant assertion.

Religion means to "yoke".

To yoke what to what?

More in detail, later.

I am not in a position to reply at present.

I can't sit here any longer and need to lie down.

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#70508 Mar 31, 2014
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I heard those things can cost just as much as a wedding these days.
I have been to some like that.

I also know a few parents who offered their children the choice of a party or a family trip to Israel. A trip is more permanently meaningful.

In the old days, all a Bar Mitzvah would entail would be to be called up the Torah during services - a milestone because only "men" could do this. Nowadays there is a lot more baggage associated with it.

I was also "confirmed". To this day I have no idea why. Its not a Jewish tradition. I think it might of been somehow an incentive to stick with Hebrew school post b.mitzvah.

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#70509 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
FRIJOLES: "Bhuddism, the non folk version, doesnt claim to be a religion. Its a practice. But the fact is there are assumptions about the nature of reality as well, so it does converge at least a little in that direction, despite all claims not to."
JOEL: ERROR. Rubbish. Couldn't help responding to this ignorant assertion.
Religion means to "yoke".
To yoke what to what?
More in detail, later.
I am not in a position to reply at present.
I can't sit here any longer and need to lie down.
yoke? What are you talking about?
former res

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#70510 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Hey Brainless Idiot,
Which are these silly stories of ancient/modem religions are you referring to?
Give me 2 or 3 examples (excluding creation from nothing which is really an irrational teaching of certain faiths) and I'll show you some deeper meaning beneath the myths, metaphors and allegories.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that offer.......

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#70511 Mar 31, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Having been on the inside myself, I can attest that it is just as batshxt crazy there as it is on the outside.
I appreciate the comment - found it funny in fact

but it missed the point a little. An inner life isnt so simple to understand from an external point of view. Which, arguable, was still your perspective, obviously.
former res

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#70512 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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No child is born "tabula rasa".
Had you thought a little deeper you wouldn't have made that stupid comment.
A child is born with his ancestral psychology, emotionality and physicality contributed by both father and mother and so in this sense it may be said that the psychological, emotional and physical flaws are inherent in the new born ("sins of the parents are on their children").
Besides, if reincarnation is valid, in keeping with causation and in view of the dozens of verified cases of past birth memories, then, the child's consciousness holds his previous birth tendencies which cannot be explained by heredity in many instances.
So, in either instance or in both ways, no child is born with a clean slate (tabula rasa).
Understand, now?
Pay attention, Mr. Fancypants.

He wasn't making the statement.

He was paraphrasing the faith to make a point.

Remember, your god gave you two ears but only one mouth.

Use them proportionately.

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#70513 Mar 31, 2014
former res wrote:
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that offer.......
he still hasnt recanted from yesterdays assertions which i questioned

intellectual lightweight for sure

acting like a spoiled child being ignored

but still ripe for our amusement
former res

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#70514 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Nah, I was bar mitzvahed in an age before things got flashy, in a town that was modestly middle class.
We had a free night at the Waldorf-Astoria (Hilton Honor Points) years ago; and there were signs up pointing to a private are for some kid's bar mitzvah party.

I bet that kid made out very well!

But of course his mom and dad had to return the favor several times over.

I think I got a watch a maybe $25 or so.
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#70515 Mar 31, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Same here re: Confirmation, but I wasn't an atheist yet at the time, so no regrets.
Later in life, however, I was faced with a dliemna of revealing my atheism to a very religious family or accepting an invite to be a godfather (on several occasions). I chose to maintain the peace and accept the offers. It did require some mental gymnastics on my part to justify the internal hypocrisy I was feeling.
yeah me too.

I'm my best friend's first born's god father.

I file that under my old refrain of pragmatism-over-idealism.

Go along to get along and so on.
former res

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#70516 Mar 31, 2014
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Regarding other religions - I am of the position of who am I to judge?
Sounds like you're channeling Pope Francis (re gays).

"Judge" may be too strong a word. I prefer to think of it as critical thinking.

But of course we judge...I don't think we can help it.

Some of us judge OUR religion to be the right one, at least right for us.

Some us may say Scientology is a load of crap. Some of us may reject ALL religions....
Frijoles wrote:
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I am not sure about that - I think that needs to be parsed quite a bit
Jewish texts are not any more true because of their age.........
I should have said "many of us bestow more honor and respect on that which is old (whether this truth is real OR imagined)"

Pure perception.

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#70517 Mar 31, 2014
MORE ON RELIGION - TO YOKE

RELIGION is derived from the Latin word "religare" which means to yoke, bind or join.

So, what does it mean?

What has to be yoked to what?

Religion, in its nondual essence, is realization.

The outer form of religion is prayers, head bowing, shabbat, abstinence, pilgrimage, fasting, circumcision, tonsuring the head and the like.

If a religion is stuck on the shallow level of dualism, then, its outer form is its essence by which a follower binds himself to his G-d through prayers, pilgrimage, fasting, shabbat, circumcision, blood sacrifice and other external customs, while, on the other hand, if a religion is of a nondualistic nature then it exhorts its followers to bind in consciousness-force with its source through mystical experience which leads to the dissolution of the subject-object divide. In the nondual experience advocated by certain religions, the individual's lower self unites in consciousness-force with his higher self and becomes one or yoked with it.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70518 Mar 31, 2014
BUDDHISM IS A RELIGION

Buddhism, like every other religion, is a religion in the sense that it exhorts its followers to take refuge in Buddha, Sang (church) and Dharma (core principles that uphold existence).

This is how a Buddhist yokes himself outwardly in Buddhism.

The inner practice of Buddhism which is termed the Nirvana state of existence is based on meditation, mantra and breathing patterns lead to trance and subsequently to the union of the lower self (exteriorized consciousness-force) with the subliminal self that's free of the distractions, stresses and upheavals of the lower self that's involved in its own petty desires, shallow thoughts and environment.

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#70519 Mar 31, 2014
DID JESUS SAVE SINNERS?

The ignorant Catholics are correct in a vague sort of way when they say that Jesus died to save the world.

What it actually means is that Jesus absorbed much of the adverse personality defects as transferred vibes from many of the people around him and in the process his tolerance limit of holding and neutralizing these absorbed vibes collapsed leading to misfortune that ended in humiliation on the cross.

However, what gets forgotten is that when someone absorbs the negativity of another the latter being drained of much of his negative mental, emotional and physical impressions gets some relief and is in this sense "saved".

If we're sufficiently sensitive, we experience relief, a lessening of burdens and a sense of calm after sitting beside certain persons or near a water body or a tree or an animal as the case maybe because in the exchange of vibes taking place during the interaction we tend to lose a certain amount of negative vibes that gets transmitted into the receiver (person, water body, tree or animal).

In this way, our negativity ('sins") are lessened and we experience some relief or are in this sense "saved" from the burden of negativity we carry in us.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70520 Mar 31, 2014
typo

SANGHA not Sang (church)

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70521 Mar 31, 2014
Need to lie down. The higher consciousness-force is getting activated again. Later.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70522 Mar 31, 2014
typo

our negativity IS lessened, not our negativity are lessened

(Later)

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#70523 Mar 31, 2014
former res wrote:
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Sounds like you're channeling Pope Francis (re gays).
"Judge" may be too strong a word. I prefer to think of it as critical thinking.
But of course we judge...I don't think we can help it.
Some of us judge OUR religion to be the right one, at least right for us.
Some us may say Scientology is a load of crap. Some of us may reject ALL religions....
I dont judge (publically) the beliefs of others. I judge their actions.

Its impossible to censor ones "internal judge". Thats another matter altogether.

As to what religion is best for who - we have discussed this before. I opt out because I have no need to reject my own - which is a pre-req to deciding if another religion is more right for me.

As for those people who judge that their religion is the only right one (i.e the other religion is "false"), obviously I disagree with that perspective.....

Atheists are judgemental by their very nature. Who else would bother to advocate a stance?

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#70524 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
BUDDHISM IS A RELIGION
Buddhism, like every other religion, is a religion in the sense that it exhorts its followers to take refuge in Buddha, Sang (church) and Dharma (core principles that uphold existence).
This is how a Buddhist yokes himself outwardly in Buddhism.
Thats funny. Thats basically what I said. On some level, the system makes some assumptions about the nature of reality.

I fail to see much difference between "nothingness" in the tradition of Zen, and "ayn od milvado" in the tradition of Hasidic Judaism.

Just language.

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