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#69756 Mar 19, 2014
By the occult meant the manipulation of the energy field in/around a person using mantras (primal sound vibrations) or meditative practices.

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#69757 Mar 19, 2014
By the occult IS meant the manipulation of the energy field in/around a person using mantras (primal sound vibrations) or meditative practices.

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#69758 Mar 19, 2014
A mantra (specific primal sound syllable) and/or meditative practice that seeks to awaken the higher states of consciousness inherent in the bioenergy field native to the brain/body system can manipulate the energy fields in/around an object and can have nonlocal effects. This activity is known as the occult.

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#69760 Mar 19, 2014
Theists base their faith on spirit, extra-cosmic God and creation from nothing which are irrational terms lacking in substance or explanation, while mysticism/occult is founded on energy, matter and consciousness that're subject to the laws of conservation and causation. Here lies the major difference between theism and mysticism/occult.
JOEL

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#69761 Mar 19, 2014
The word SPIRIT is a misnomer as it implies a substance other than energy/matter which somehow mysteriously creates energy/matter out of itself or from nothing. All this is irrational. Every phenomenon in nature/being, whether of the ordinary material kind or of the occult kind, has to be based on energy, matter and consciousness that're subject to the laws of conservation and causation. This explanation makes better sense.

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#69762 Mar 19, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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You don't understand occult or occult influence.
I can't say anything more on this topic.
Anyway, thank you for your kindness and concern.
This is your father speaking

Heed FR's advice

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#69763 Mar 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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This is your father speaking

Heed FR's advice
Hello Papa.

I appreciate Former's kindness but he's not knowledgeable in occult or in science - both of these disciplines (occult and science) are based on tapping into/manipulation of energy fields.

I repeat I am exposed to yogic experiences in great detail, while he knows nothing about the body's energy fields and how they can be manipulated locally/non-locally using various mantras/meditation practices.

Forget about paranormal powers that I have experienced and seen from very close quarters, if only you see me with the golden shine on my face, neck and hands you'll understand that there's some energy at work in me.

Besides, the frequent suffering due to occult influence involving certain subtle frequencies of energy being put onto me result in color change in the body from golden shine to greyish tan, reddish eyes, tremors of nerves, high fevers, abnormal palpitation rate, headache, draining of energy from the body etc which can be seen by anyone with the naked eyes.

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#69764 Mar 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Heed FR's advice
See, had I still been a disciple of that monster, I would, for the sake of demonstrating long range occult power, have requested him to harm FORMER by getting him blinded, paralyzed or made insane in real time (that is I would tell FORMER to watch out for changes in his body/organ functioning at so and so time and to confirm it later).

Sri Aurobindo's spiritual collaborator, the Mother, often used long range occult power to give evidence of it to skeptics or to influence certain events and prior to employing her occult power she would tell the person concerned that on so and so day and at such and such time this or that thing would happen to him or to someone else and would ask the person to confirm it.

If the demonstration involved bodily harm she would tell the person the time at which she would change the person's heart beat, eye sight, body temperature etc and ask him to call out her name the moment the suffering got too extreme to endure so that she could case sending out the occult power.

She had nonlocal senses.

I too have sufficient evidence of nonlocal occult effects.....

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#69765 Mar 19, 2014
typo

so that she could CEASE sending out the occult power.

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#69766 Mar 19, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Hello Papa.
I appreciate Former's kindness but he's not knowledgeable in occult or in science - both of these disciplines (occult and science) are based on tapping into/manipulation of energy fields.
I repeat I am exposed to yogic experiences in great detail, while he knows nothing about the body's energy fields and how they can be manipulated locally/non-locally using various mantras/meditation practices.
Forget about paranormal powers that I have experienced and seen from very close quarters, if only you see me with the golden shine on my face, neck and hands you'll understand that there's some energy at work in me.
Besides, the frequent suffering due to occult influence involving certain subtle frequencies of energy being put onto me result in color change in the body from golden shine to greyish tan, reddish eyes, tremors of nerves, high fevers, abnormal palpitation rate, headache, draining of energy from the body etc which can be seen by anyone with the naked eyes.
Go back and reread what he has to say

He is not interested in debating you the fine points of your energy field.

He is offering you advice/assistance to get through a few moments of the day.

Give his advice a try. This is an order from your father.
former res wrote:
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My gut says you're overthinking all this.
You need to do a few things each day that bring you some level of satisfaction.
Some peace, some feeling of well being, perhaps more human contact.
They say it's not what happens to you (real or imagined), but how you respond that makes the difference.
All the best to you.

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#69767 Mar 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Give his advice a try. This is an order from your father.

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OK, as you say.

The suggestion I can work on when I am feeling well is to meet more people by either paying more attention to business details, or joining a squash group (I play the game very well), or joining a debating society or sitting down with a certain ex-scientist to study more of higher Math.

Studying more of higher Math gives me real pleasure since I am addicted to the subject.

I did try studying more of higher Math last year under the concerned ex-scientist as part of my preparation for doctorate level entrance exam but gave it up after I began suffering a lot for known reasons....

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#69768 Mar 19, 2014
It's early afternoon here. I need to rest for some time. I'm a bit feverish. Later.

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#69769 Mar 19, 2014
I am feeling worse lying down. The fever has increased and my nerves are beginning to shake. I am going shopping. Maybe if I interact with some people outside my attention will get diverted from these adverse symptoms.
former res

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#69770 Mar 19, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
By the occult meant the manipulation of the energy field in/around a person using mantras (primal sound vibrations) or meditative practices.
I do not believe in voodoo.

Neither should you.

Not if you want to appear intelligent.

The movie Poltergeist explores the energy fields and auras that you describe.

But that is just Hollywood.

Hollywood, voodoo, and Joel. Birds of a feather flock together.
former res

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#69771 Mar 19, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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OK, as you say.
The suggestion I can work on when I am feeling well is to meet more people by either paying more attention to business details, or joining a squash group (I play the game very well), or joining a debating society or sitting down with a certain ex-scientist to study more of higher Math.
Studying more of higher Math gives me real pleasure since I am addicted to the subject.
I did try studying more of higher Math last year under the concerned ex-scientist as part of my preparation for doctorate level entrance exam but gave it up after I began suffering a lot for known reasons....
Now THIS is an encouraging post!

I hope you appreciate that both your father and your uncle are here not just to make fun, but to help.

We are both progressive humanitarians who actually care about our fellow man.(A republican wouldn't give a shxt.:))

Please keep thinking and acting as you have written above.

Move, sunlight, take a shower, keep moving forward. All the best!
former res

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#69773 Mar 19, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Besides all of this, explain to me why a person like YOU who do NOT have Jewish ancestry is standing up for your IMAGINED persecution of Jews by me a person with JEWISH ancestry and one who is not ashamed of that ancestry.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

HughBe wrote:
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.... In addition, I am NOT against anyone because of their race or religion and that includes the race of Jews, the religion called Judaism and its members Judahists, Muslims, Irish, English, Hindus you name it.

I have seen you giving Frijoles a very hard time over his religion and its link to his ethnic heritage. Very disrespectful of him, his culture, and his beliefs.

HughBe wrote:
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Having said all of that, let me be clear I am against LIES and DECEPTION. So if anyone or country is guilty of either LIES or DECEPTION......

You cannot call someone a liar if they are simply telling you about their religious beliefs.
Faith is belief without proof, so you are also on the same thin ice. Or shaky ground.

HughBe wrote:
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...In addition, I do NOT HATE homosexuals. Now, with all sincerity I believe that Frijoles is at least a bisexual and the same applies to you and I am NOT against you. However, it is my opinion that homosexuality is WRONG because of my religious beliefs and also because I deem the practice to be unhygienic.

Did I say you hated gays? I called you a homophobe. Do you deny this?
You do not support their rights. You judge their behavior harshly in my view.
You say it is "my opinion" that homosexuality is "wrong." But then you say this opinion is "because of my religious beliefs." The second part negates the first part.
Your statements suggest that you are not in fact thinking for yourself but following the rules of your chosen clubhouse. Doing and thinking whatever they tell you.
Also many straight people engage in anal sex and it could be argued that sex itself, kissing, and any human contact transfers microbes from person to person. All very "unhygienic."

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#69774 Mar 19, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The God of Israel is the living God and she will conquer and transcend death. Jesus is one of many dead gods. He's been dead for 2000 years. The true Messiah of the OT is alive on earth today and should make an appearance this year. Everything comes from God, evil and good. God created Satan (Adam). Our bodies are prone to the sins of the flesh. Spirits cannot sin. The final proof will be when God comes back from heaven with the entire host of heaven. Earth is called the "land of the living" and the God of Israel is alive.
Thank you for ur wisdom. I always thought god was a woman..

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#69775 Mar 19, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
From a procreative perspective, homosexuality is abnormal since it is sterile and so it cannot be a medium of procreation via sexual intercourse. The human race would have become extinct long ago had most men/all men been gay.
If that is true then even a virgin -you- is abnormal.

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#69776 Mar 19, 2014
former res wrote:
HughBe wrote:
Also many straight people engage in anal sex and it could be argued that sex itself, kissing, and any human contact transfers microbes from person to person. All very "unhygienic."
Good point. Like cunnilingus and fellatio are not "unhygienic"?

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#69777 Mar 19, 2014
JOEL wrote:
The word SPIRIT is a misnomer as it implies a substance other than energy/matter which somehow mysteriously creates energy/matter out of itself or from nothing. All this is irrational. Every phenomenon in nature/being, whether of the ordinary material kind or of the occult kind, has to be based on energy, matter and consciousness that're subject to the laws of conservation and causation. This explanation makes better sense.
rabbee: the word is Rooach, and it can be translated as Spirit, Wisp, Wind, And Ghost. and there is no other english word, that can represent all of those in One Word. Eevreet to English, has contextual, and definition difficulties. the instant you choose one other english word, to represent Rooach you lose both meaning and context. and so to pick one other english word, to represent Rooach is actually bearing false witness. and it is on shaky ground, to even represent Rooach as Ruach.

and you really need to be careful from german to english transliteration. such as yhwh or jhwh in german are still pronounced as yhvh in english. but no matter what the language, you must preserve the yood hey vav hey phonetic sounds. so the actual letters can change per language, in order to preserve the phonetic sound. even the vav has difficulties in english, since it can be the word and, the letter vav, or strictly used as an oo or oh vowel sound.

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