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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

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#68344 Feb 26, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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People have had "wet-dreams" about turning the US into a theocracy since the first white folk showed up on this shore (the Pilgrim Fathers were only interested in the freedom to bring everyone else to THEIR religion). That being said, I have no doubt it predates White migrations and that Clovis Man fantasized regularly about turning the American Southwest into a fundamentalist Animist homeland. The urge to bring your neighbours under the yoke of collective thought is what separates man from fungi.
But, a fantasy is all it will ever be, It will never happen. America was founded on fun (pursuit of happiness) and fun it too engrained in the American DNA to ever allow a significant portion of the population to submit to theocratic rule.
American might FLIRT with religious authority (in the '20s religion had smeared America's lipstick and got a few of its corset hooks undone by managing to pass Prohibition) but all it takes is a good public evangelical scandal to pour cold water over our national heads.
Let them have their fantasies, goodness knows I have a few of my own. I don't care if they have wet dreams and I don't involve them in mine.
As fun loving as we may be, we are still a very religious country (as compared with other western democracies) and we work longer hours and take far fewer vacations.

The best fun most American can afford these days is watching TV and eating fast food. As the middle class has been disappearing and the standard of living has been dropping since the 1970s.

The theocratic rule is not codified but its impact is very real, esp in the middle of the country. Look what happened to the atheists. Lack of tolerance for different beliefs - most certainly not what this country was founded on.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68345 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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Everybody isn't Ivy League material.
I'm not impressed with Ivy League and think that non-Ivy League schools like MIT, Stanford, UC at Berkeley and Caltech are by far the best schools for STEM subjects in the US.

These top US schools accept a significant number of top ranking students from Cathedral School (Mumbai) at the undergrad level and from the IITs at the grad level.

Brilliant Asian students form a huge chunk at these elite US schools.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#68346 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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But if one refused to "have a Jew to dinner" you might call that anti-Semitic. In fact I think you would.
You forget, we have literal volumes of religious laws dedicated to preventing us from eating with (or even associating casually with) non-Jews. Could you blame them for not wanting to eat with us?

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#68347 Feb 26, 2014
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It's kind of cute that he didn't get it. Equal parts cute and sad. Like a kitten with Feline Leukemia.
Dunce, stick to nursing. LOL.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#68348 Feb 26, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Or, is it due to too much of liberty given to kids?
Just a handful of educated Americans (kids and adults) have decent Math, Physics and Chem skills and surprisingly their language skills are also ebbing.
The overall standard of education in the US is slipping fast.
As I said, promote and support the best and the brightest.

Everyone isn't meant to be a rocket scientist.

We need folks in all kind of jobs.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68349 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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Promote and support the best and the brightest.
I am all for merit at all levels of education and don't support quotas and reservations for certain communities in universities.

Weak students should be diverted to vocational schools where they can pick up a useful trade like carpentry, tailoring, nursing, cookery etc to help them enter the job market instead of living on government handouts.

I believe the number of American families living near or below the poverty line is high and increasing. Dole, dole, dole....

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68350 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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Students still come from around the world to attend top US universities.
The best brains in the US are usually born outside the US.

By luring the best brains in the world from other countries to study, work and live in the US, the US is gaining at their expense.

Brain drain is a harsh reality.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68351 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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We need folks in all kind of jobs.
Yes, the natural law of unity in variety at work

Aptitude decides one's field of study/work.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#68352 Feb 26, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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You forget, we have literal volumes of religious laws dedicated to preventing us from eating with (or even associating casually with) non-Jews. Could you blame them for not wanting to eat with us?
I don't think you're always this understanding as I recall over perceived slights.

Terms like "Jew hater" come to mind.

Just trying to keep it real.

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#68353 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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...The best fun most American can afford these days is watching TV and eating fast food. As the middle class has been disappearing and the standard of living has been dropping since the 1970s...
I hear stuff like that all the time (mostly in the films of Michael Moore) but it's just ridiculous. I've lived in a lot of countries (not just visited, but lived as a resident for years at a time) and Americans are hand's down the most fun people on the face of this planet (a close second goes to Australia).

Yes, a lot of Americans watch TV -- that is because American TV is the best out there. Shows like "Mad Men" and "Boardwalk Empire" have production values and writing that even the Brits can't match (yes, I watch 'Downton Abbey' but they only shoot seven episodes a season, so it's a totally different weight class).

Yes, Americans eat a lot of fast food, but that's because it's FAST. Americans have active lifestyles and when they're not working they're doing something else. Besides, American fast food rules. Try fast food in Korea, or China or India -- if it doesn't give you dysentery. Americans eat a lot of (tasty) crap, but Americans work out more than the citizens of any other country I've seen. Obesity in America is on the rise but, spoiler alert, its on the rise everywhere else as well. At 25 BMI I'm svelt even in Asia these days. North Koreans tend to stay thinner -- not sure how. People here in Singapore think I'm crazy for running daily in this heat and humidity. On any give morning I will bump into one or two other runners -- compare that to any morning in the parks of any American large city.

My parents were reasonably affluent middle class in the '70s when I was in High School. I can count the number of consumer electronics we had in our house on my fingers. Two TVs in 1970 -- only one was colour. American live in larger houses today than we did in the '70s, own more possessions, take better vacations, eat better food, and live longer, healthier lifestyles than we did in the '70s.

I'm sure there is some statistical measure that the professional hand-wringing class can point to to show an overall decline in prosperity but, I have as broad a wealth of experience as any merchant of woe statistician and I'm reporting that the patient is alive and healthy (just as long as he doesn't sign up for Obamacare).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#68354 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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As I said, promote and support the best and the brightest.
Everyone isn't meant to be a rocket scientist.
We need folks in all kind of jobs.
The swami doesnt realize that the IVY's strength has never been in STEM, though they do have significant contributions to those areas. The IVYs strength has traditionally been in the Humanities, Social Sciences, and Policy.

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#68355 Feb 26, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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. Obesity in America is on the rise but, spoiler alert, its on the rise everywhere else as well.
Interestingly, there was a major study released a few days ago saying childhood obesity was actually on a significant decline here. More than 30% decrease over 10 years if I recall. Attributed to the rise of the nanny state (harder to find soft drinks in the schools), and due to public educational efforts by Michelle Obama (this is her pet issue) and others.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68356 Feb 26, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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The swami doesnt realize that the IVY's strength has never been in STEM, though they do have significant contributions to those areas.

The IVYs strength has traditionally been in the Humanities, Social Sciences, and Policy.
I am aware of this fact.

I am all for STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) subjects and have little or no time to waste on the frivolous humanities.

Anyway, each to his own.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68357 Feb 26, 2014
I admire MIT, Caltech, Stanford, UC at Berkeley.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#68358 Feb 26, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>.......I'm sure there is some statistical measure that the professional hand-wringing class can point to to show an overall decline in prosperity but, I have as broad a wealth of experience as any merchant of woe statistician and I'm reporting that the patient is alive and healthy (just as long as he doesn't sign up for Obamacare).
Well, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!

:)

I can see there is nothing I can say that will convince you that the real world is not exactly the same as your personal experience and anecdotal evidence.

You do sound like every Fox News watcher I've ever met, but perhaps that isn't fair. Then again.....

What's wrong with Obamacare? Do you think it's ok that 30+ millions of us had no healthcare? I hadn't seen any good solutions being offered from the other side. I will assume that Singapore has good healthcare. Anyplace where you can get arrested for spitting on the sidewalk I would think has that covered. How about Down Under?

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#68359 Feb 26, 2014
Carnegie Mellon is another great US university and is globally renowned especially for its Computer Science program.

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#68360 Feb 26, 2014
former res wrote:
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...You do sound like every Fox News watcher I've ever met, but perhaps that isn't fair. Then again.....
Hate to break it to you ... I don't even have cable. I download all my shows. Back when I did, the only Fox Show I ever watched was "Red Eye" -- but they don't carry that on Singapore cable.

We have CNN running 24/7 in my office, thankfully on mute. I think they used to have MSNBC here but both their viewers died.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#68361 Feb 26, 2014
FOND WISH

If someone here can pull me out of the problems I am facing, I'll scoot back in no time to academics and complete the PhD and get down to serious research. I had a great grounding in Math/Science at Cathedral School and later at IIT. Many of our profs were educated at the finest universities abroad and exposed us to the intricacies of the subjects in depth and the questions given to solve were extremely challenging. What needed to be done was to focus equally hard on practical skills in the subjects. Things are now changing with the new education policy. I've lost touch with academics these past few years. Oh, I miss those academic challenges and the thrill of topping the class.

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#68362 Feb 26, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Interestingly, there was a major study released a few days ago saying childhood obesity was actually on a significant decline here. More than 30% decrease over 10 years if I recall. Attributed to the rise of the nanny state (harder to find soft drinks in the schools), and due to public educational efforts by Michelle Obama (this is her pet issue) and others.
Where there is good news to be had, there will always be a politico standing up to take the credit -- its the one immutable constant in the Universe.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#68363 Feb 26, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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The swami doesnt realize that the IVY's strength has never been in STEM, though they do have significant contributions to those areas. The IVYs strength has traditionally been in the Humanities, Social Sciences, and Policy.
I only used the Ivies as an example or figure of speech or whatever.

Didn't intend to exclude MIT/Berkley/Chicago/ etc.

Just meant we all weren't cut out for these types of schools. And maybe limited resources should be allocated to those who show real promise.

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