Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63951 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Pagan mental gymnastics
JOEL THUMBS UP to HughBe---What is meant by the term - ONE UNIFIED God?

Frijoles, the pagan----Pagan mental gymnastics

HughBe--- If you want to see paganism and idolatry look at Judaism.
Judaism's current concept of God is PURE PAGANISM in ORIGIN. That is a FACT.

Neither Moses nor the other prophets believed in the PAGAN Deity of Judaism today. Isaiah the prophet SAW Jehovah sitting on a THRONE. Was he LYING Judahite or are your rabbis LYING?

What is a THRONE?

Moses wanted to see the FACE of God. Moses did not want to see a FORMLESS force.

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Isaiah spoke accordingly to the above while your rabbis do NOT speak in harmony with the law and the testimony. Simply put they are in DARKNESS or are darkness dwellers.

Judaism is PAGANISM.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63952 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Incarnation results in the modification of the typal nature of an entity.
The phenomenon of incarnation always results in a diminution of information content and a dilution of the essential power of the typal entity that incarnates since an incarnation of a typal being can only take place through the intervening planes that are juxtaposed between its native station and the plane on which it seeks to incarnate.
This is the reason why many avatars like Krishna make serious errors despite being typal entities of superior planes like the cosmic overmind -1.
The typal godhead of say the overmind -1 incarnates on earth and sees a great diminution of its native power, light, bliss, plasticity and knowledge and as such it comes under the sway of the inferior powers of the lower planes through which it has descended on its way to incarnating on earth and so the consciousness of the typal being of say the overmind-1 gets infused by the lower information of the inferior planes and is as such modified or it gets hybridized and at times it succumbs to the swamping phenomenon and acts in an inferior manner and makes mistakes.
So, keeping this logic firmly in mind, it stands to reason that if the absolute field of conscious-energy seeks to incarnate on say the terrestrial plane it would undergo a severe diminution in information and power as it would have to descend through all the hundreds of intervening planes before manifesting on earth and besides gross matter is so dense, resistant and unregenerate that it would further place a great strain on the incarnating power of the absolute field and seek to diminish its essence and most importantly the earth nature is far removed from the plenary nature of the absolute field and so there would be serious misunderstanding in minds of ordinary people of the power of the absolute field even if it manifested a portion of its essence on earth.
Joel---Incarnation results in the modification of the typal nature of an entity.

The phenomenon of incarnation always results in a diminution of information content and a dilution of the essential power of the typal entity that incarnates....

Hugh--- Keep those words in mind.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#63953 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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No, it's not the same thing that I spoke of.
What he says is a purely dualistic thing.
You are cetainly entitled to your interpretation, but among most theologians and scholars, Heschel is accepted as a pantheist or a panentheist. Certainly if one reads his writings one tends to take the same end goal as what you are professing.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63954 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
LOSS OF INDIVIDUALITY BEGINS WITH THE UNIFICATION MECHANISM OF THE SUPRAMENTAL PRINCIPLE:
1) The supracosmic as well as the cosmic realms are manifestations of a nondual field of consciousness-energy but in the manifestation they get separated from their original nondual poise and act along individual lines of karma over many millions if not over many billions of years of taking a form and dissolving it and then in keeping with the causal impact of the previous formation a new form is adopted to work out the cause-effect laws and all of this coming into form, getting rid of the form and then taking a new form in keeping with causal or evolutionary/devolutionary mechanism over millions of existences leaves a cumulative impression on the line of consciousness that's hard to shake off completely.
2) From the supramental planes upwards, an attempt is made by the will-in-the consciousness-energy field to erase the individuality by re-unifying the scattered aspects of the individual, reconciling the opposites in him and re-joining together the outer and inner aspects of the individual and then attempting to unite these with the typal nature of the universal forces so that the divide between the individual and the universal slowly disappears.
3) This grand unification of the various aspects of the individual and of the unified individual aspects with the universals is possible within broad limits only in the supramental planes and beyond.
rabbee: the sun and the planets, are in agreement as one solar system. yet neither the sun or it's memory state planets, have lost their individuality. and space between the planets, does not forget it's place either. and even resumes it's place after the planet has passed. and shall remember to part again, when the planet returns. even molecules are consistent, with how they are to join with what atom else. even oxygen remembers the way to join with lead, is different than with hydrogen. there is more memory all around us, than we are apparently incapable of memorizing. memory has already, taken care of where the human cells fit in. this kind of destined memory, is not voluntary.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63955 Dec 10, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
Frijoles - interesting article on secular Jews and the Jewish label.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
PS - Don't let Hughbe jump in until he's answered our question.
I'm not jumping into your conversation I am only commenting on it :D

Comment: I find your approach interesting given that prior to that question I have literally HUNDREDS of unanswered questions that your fellows have dodged. So why the approach? Is it sheer hypocrisy? Is it sheer dishonesty? Is it sheer stupidity?

Some will say that it is all 3 and who am I to contest the obvious merit in such a position.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63956 Dec 10, 2013
Cult of Reason --- Don't let Hughbe jump in until he's answered our question.

JOEL THUMBS UP"--How infantile on your part to say so, retard.
Anyone is free to comment on anything and communication lines should always be open to anyone, even to your worst critics.

Hugh--- It is more than being infantile.

Joel--Evidently, your mom was an unintelligent whore and so you have this cheap bargaining nature.

Hugh--- My approach would be to omit parents and to deal with the poster ONLY.

Joel---Grow up and employ the little intelligence that you have in a truly constructive manner.

Hugh--- Should be useful, to him.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63957 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
A subtle state of existence is one that exceeds the ken of senses, mind and lab instrumentation. The higher degrees of vibration that exceed those frequencies that inhere in 4-dimensional space-time defines such subtle states of cosmic existence.
rabbee: so you have, a vibrator? and you, don't know how to use it? have you tried asking a woman, how to use it?

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63958 Dec 10, 2013
she has a brand new pair of roller skates, and i have a brand nookey.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63959 Dec 10, 2013
ericfromchi wrote:
<quoted text>and, anyone can decline to respond when someone comments. That is what COR is referring to. Hugh and you are going to have fun communicating w/ each other. Hugh has now engaged in a mutual admiration society with the Muslims on Allah thread. But he might not get further responses on here.
Jealous, I see.

To be a Muslim is my goal.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63960 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what that retard COR typed in the context:
"Don't let Hughbe jump in until he's answered our question."
..........
Even if Hugh has failed to answer the question on Jesus' lineage which is obviously not important since the entire Bible (Tanach + NT) sucks being works of barbarians and what with David being an evil pervert and poor Jesus a lunatic, yet Hugh should be permitted to have his say on any topic online without being targeted by a bunch of retards.
So, the retard COR was indulging in that uncouth habit of shunning a poster (Hugh) on a most flimsy reason and of crudely inciting others to follow his example of preventing Hugh from taking part in the specific debate.
An averagely intelligent poster with some fair-mindedness and a modicum of class would keep the doors of communication open to anyone where a debate is concerned and such a poster would certainly not provoke other posters to shun Hugh. This is very crass behavior.
What better to expect from a retard like COR who is not only not intelligent but has no class.
They have literally not answered HUNDREDS of my questions. I choose not to answer that particular question because the answer/information will not benefit them for many reasons including their lack of capacity to understand it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63961 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH,
Come online.
Dump ugly Jesus.
The extra-handsome Joel is here, waiting for you.
Come online, hon.
(smiles)
Joel---The extra-handsome Joel is here, waiting for you.

Hugh--- I know, I can hear your heartbeat racing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63962 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Linking Judaism with a practice or a philosophy that's as refined as non-dualism is like equating dregs with gold. LMAO.
I am addressing the eloquence only, that was good.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63963 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Hugh and a few other male posters here are into anal and oral with other men. LOL.
Your words tell me that it is now time to take a rest. Rest well my beloved.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63964 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You are cetainly entitled to your interpretation, but among most theologians and scholars, Heschel is accepted as a pantheist or a panentheist. Certainly if one reads his writings one tends to take the same end goal as what you are professing.
rabbee: oh! please, don't authorize that for joel. let's not try, to be enablers here.

when i can't even find, an interpretation of joel in TheTorah. even though i am sure, there is something about intellectual idiots in there some where.

since he does not quite fit, the interpretation of truth or being all that subtle. as an alleged supramental legend, in his own mind.

he does not even have the knowledge, intellect, or memory, to join in any discussion with G-D. so i would imagine, this is what all his camouflage and misdirection is about.

you ask him a question about G-D or TheTorah. and he essentially says, wow! i never noticed those spots, on the ceiling before. and trying to change the topic, from what he does not know. to something he thinks, you can be snowed with.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63965 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP--1) What is the typal nature of this spirit?

Hugh---unfleshly

Joel-- How do you know that this spirit exists?

Hugh--- The bible tell me so

Joel--- How does spirit causally connect with the unified field of consciousness-energy?

Hugh--- Connect in what sense?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#63966 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not jumping into your conversation I am only commenting on it :D
Comment: I find your approach interesting given that prior to that question I have literally HUNDREDS of unanswered questions that your fellows have dodged. So why the approach? Is it sheer hypocrisy? Is it sheer dishonesty? Is it sheer stupidity?
Some will say that it is all 3 and who am I to contest the obvious merit in such a position.
That's right, keep dodging the question. Could the REAL reason you refuse to answer be that there is no logical answer?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#63967 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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They have literally not answered HUNDREDS of my questions. I choose not to answer that particular question because the answer/information will not benefit them for many reasons including their lack of capacity to understand it.
If you have "hundreds" of questions unanswered, perhaps it is because the answer/information will not benefit YOU for many reasons including YOUR lack of capacity to understand it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63968 Dec 10, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right, keep dodging the question. Could the REAL reason you refuse to answer be that there is no logical answer?
It is possible, if I were like you and your fellows. I have declared that there is a logical answer and nothing has changed.

What about my HUNDREDS of unanswered questions, do you feel that they should be answered?

If not why not?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63969 Dec 10, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have "hundreds" of questions unanswered, perhaps it is because the answer/information will not benefit YOU for many reasons including YOUR lack of capacity to understand it.
Perhaps but far more likely is the reality that the capacity is lacking on the other side plus in the few instances when the capacity is there they would entrap themselves.

These are the real reasons.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#63970 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>They have literally not answered HUNDREDS of my questions...
Where is it written that Jews have to fill the considerable gaps in your education (such as it is)?

No one remotely believes you have anything to teach Jews and, at most, you are tolerated as a source of derisive laughter and a cautionary tale.

The only person here who seem to want to talk to you is Calcutta's most social-climbing rickshaw wallah. And we can only speculate his motives for doing so.

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